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I'm just having flashbacks to 2019 with all of this.  We have a QB on the roster right now, who some think could actually start for this team, as we did back in 2019 prior to any free ageny moves or trades.

https://larrybrownsports.com/football/colt-mccoy-could-enter-2019-redskins-starting-qb/486219

Then they traded for a slightly better journeyman than the one already on the roster.  This is what most local guys are saying now: it's most likely going to be Trubisky or Mariota.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26174723/sources-broncos-trading-keenum-redskins

The local guys start to hype up a boom or bust project.  Local guys are all in on the Malik Willis train right now.  Standig, Finlay, Keim, etc.  

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2019/story/_/id/26388916/tracing-roots-dwayne-haskins-football-journey

We draft said project, in the 3rd year of a 5 year coaching tenure.  The slightly better journeyman actually sucks just as much or more than the guy we had on the roster, so we are forced to play the rookie.  Rookie does some nice things towards the end of the season to justify sticking with him.  Then 2020 happens.  I pray this isn't the scenario but it's giving me flashbacks.

The more I think about it, the more Sam Howell is emerging as a dark horse candidate for one that they will draft.  WFT scouts were at the UNC/Pitt game back in November, as well as the UNC/Wake Forest game a week prior.  The Pickett/Willis talk will all be moot if the Panthers and Falcons take them respectively.  That leaves us with maybe drafting a WR at #11 and hoping that Howell is there in the second round.  I doubt it will do much for fan excitement, but I would not be upset with this.

We should totally trade 3 firsts, 3 seconds, and Chase Young for Deshaun Watson.

1 hour ago, VirginiaVibes said:

I am assuming people who like Willis are just going by Senior Bowl and Combine reports and haven't watched him?

Yep.

It's the same thing that happened with Haskins and the opposite with Herbert.  Haskins was deemed a year 1 starter, and Herbert was "will become a good starter in a year or two".  Couldn't have been further from the truth.  

I disagree.  He is that dumb.

2 minutes ago, Est.1974 said:

Agree on Willis to ATL, Isn’t he from there too?

Yep.

Which leaves us with Corral, Strong, Howell, or Ridder.  And I remember when team scouts were at the UNC/Pitt game last November.  

http://dcsportsking.com/2021/11/11/wft-scouts-at-showdown-between-kenny-pickett-and-sam-howell/ 

I think social media is really underestimating the backlash this team would get if they traded for Watson.  Even without criminal charges.  20+ women with very similar stories.  

Forgot about the Falcons picking before us.  I could see the Panthers taking Pickett, and then the Falcons taking Willis.  Which would leave us to pick Corral.  Who is my #2 in the draft.  But I have not heard any "noise" from the local guys with regards to Corral to the Commanders.  I've heard it about Pickett, Willis, and Ridder.  And Ridder just is "meh" to me.  

3 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

In on Derek Carr and Watson.  Doesn't know how aggressive they'd be on Watson but he's on the table.

That's a no from me on both fronts.  It's too much to give up for Watson (reportedly), and I don't think the Raiders move on from Carr to a team that offers them nothing in return at the position.  The hypothetical 49ers trade makes much more sense for the Raiders.  There's also this with regards to Wentz:

They pick before us.

1 minute ago, Koolblue13 said:

 

Please ****ing stop. PLEASE. Every QB you mentioned in your SB post is an NFL level starter. Heinicke is a ****ing back up.

 

WE'VE INQUIRED ABOUT 40 QBs. 40!!!

 

Super, we have the greatest back up QB in back up QB history ever ever. Nobody gives a ****.

 

Nobody hates Heinicke and I'm the closest to that. We hate that people keep bringing him up. It's like all the grown ups are having a discussion and some special kid covered in cake keeps yelling out from the little plastic table about Heinicke. Tighten your helmet and pick your crayons up and go back to drawing Heinicke pictures.

 

****.

Lol.

Like I said.  It's really bizarre to see these posts over and over again.  

23 minutes ago, MrJL said:

 

and you think that's the QB to draft?  He's a fifth year senior and only been good for one year.  That's the guy to hang everything on

Yes, you draft the guy most NFL ready who is not a project.  Rivera is entering year 3, not 1.

8 minutes ago, Est.1974 said:

Rivera wants a QB this year. End of story. He can’t afford to go through year 3 with that question still unanswered. 

IMO, drafting a QB at 11 gives him the remainder of his contract.  Pickett is the most NFL ready QB.  His first 4 years scare me, but I think he's the best of the bunch.  

4 minutes ago, samy316 said:

If he had drafted a QB last year, he might have given Snyder an excuse to extend him beyond his 5 year deal, because a rookie QB requires 2-3 years of grooming to get them to that franchise level.  It also lengthens your job security to an extent.

When we picked, there really weren't any quarterbacks worth taking.  Andy Dalton, Tyrod Taylor, Mitch Trubisky, and Jameis Winston were all available last year...and they picked Fitzpatrick.  

19 minutes ago, samy316 said:

This is complicated, and potentially dangerous to Rivera’s job prospects here in DC.  If he actually went down this road, and someone they didn’t draft like Willis or Pickett ended up having a great rookie year and look like franchise QB’s in the making, then Ron is going to have egg on his face AGAIN, and will risk losing the trust of whatever’s left of the fanbase at that point.

Ron's first year, IMO, gets a pass because of Snyder essentially handcuffing him to Haskins.  But signing 38 year old Ryan Fitzpatrick to be your starter in year two without a potential starter waiting in the wings?!  He has this year to fix that, but to me, that is unforgivable.  

Going back to the 2012 season, here are the quarterbacks who started in the Super Bowl:

Joe Flacco - Colin Kaepernick

Russell Wilson - Peyton Manning

Tom Brady - Russell Wilson

Cam Newton - Peyton Manning

Tom Brady - Matt Ryan

Nick Foles - Tom Brady

Tom Brady - Jared Goff

Jimmy Garoppolo - Patrick Mahomes

Patrick Mahomes - Tom Brady

Matt Stafford - Joe Burrow

There are outliers among them, but it's pretty consistent that you need an elite quarterback to even sniff the Super Bowl.  Are there any potential elite quarterbacks in the draft?  Doubtful.  But they have to draft one to find out, IMO.

Don't know if this was posted already or not, but this is interesting.

Just now, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

Yeah, I'm totally the one that is bizarre.

At least you can admit it.  That's the final stage of grief.  

And my notifications took me back a few pages where the randos who are convinced Heinicke is a starter showed up, followed on cue, by you to shout them down.  Horseshoe theory in full effect.  

2 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

Are you really trying to revive this argument?

 

Pages and pages of this thread have recently been dedicated to this very argument.  I, myself, have taken the bait and been part of it.  

And...here you are...taking the bait again to bizarrely show your disdain for Heinicke at the mere mention of him.  I'm not trying to "revive" any "argument".  Pages and pages have him being brought up and people, such as yourself, entering the chat to remind everyone how much he sucks and isn't an NFL starter.  We get it.  He's not a starter.  But he's not Mike Glennon.

I don't agree with the "we are instand Super Bowl contenders with Watson" takes.  For one, our defense was quite terrible last season.  Two, he has won the same amount of playoff wins as Kirk Cousins.  Go check his rosters out during his first 3 seasons.  And when O'Brien gutted the roster?  4-12.  Elite quarterbacks are supposed to elevate terrible teams.  He is not elite.  We're divisional favorites with him, and maybe a playoff win with him.  And it's not worth giving up all of that draft capital for a team trying to distance itself from the sexual assault and harassment allegations.  

Just now, Koolblue13 said:

QB3 if we draft and sign someone. 

This is debatable.  Especially with people salivating at the prospect of Trubisky or Mariota.  

Just now, Koolblue13 said:

We're all talking about how awesome he is and how lucky we are to have him, in the back up QB thread. He owns that thread as well he should. Nobody has a negative thing to say about him in the "how do we solve our back up QB problem" thread. Where he belongs.

 

This thread is about finding a starter at QB. That's why we dont talk about him in this thread.

 

Or shouldn't. 

This is "The QB Thread"...which includes the backup solution...of which we haven't had a reliable one since 2012.

There is a very bizarre desire to defend or trash Taylor Heinicke.  I don't get it.  We have one of the best backups in the league.  This should be celebrated, but bizarrely it's turned into a debate about how great or how terrible he is.  

1 minute ago, Zim489 said:

The latest game he has in Pitt this year was November 20 and it was 45 degrees with less than 10 mph winds. 

He played against UNC in a downpour in November.  I literally linked the game highlights.

23 minutes ago, Zim489 said:

And Vick had a massive fumbling problem. Vick had a cannon. Burrow had a good arm. I don’t know if I can have Picketts arm strength higher than 5th in this class. Go watch the senior bowl practices in the bad weather days. You can clearly see the problem with the little hands and lack of arm. Had issues driving the ball

It's not as if he played in a city with notorious crappy weather conditions in the fall.  

30 minutes ago, zCommander said:

 

Kyler Murray posted a solid hand size of 9½. So really an inch shorter than Murray. If it is meaningless then why do they even bother to measure the hand sizes?

 

Mike Vick was a 8.5.  Burrow was 9.  It's meaningless in terms of how good a quarterback can play.