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17 minutes ago, CommanderInTheRye said:

 

 

Any of you rich reprobates going?

I got a home boy who is going and doesn't even know where we pick. He asked me and I lied because **** him especially. How you going and have no idea? ****ing ****. 

43 minutes ago, Conn said:

You think he put on 20-25 lbs for his pro day? lol

Of water, yes. Or he lied at his proday. How do we know they didn't tamper with the scales?

4 minutes ago, CapsSkins said:

Hopefully we can hook Jayden up with Ovechkin's PED plug in Dubai this summer

You are joking but have you ever heard of Laron Landry? Dude could help anyone bulk! 

Actually I wonder how one of his arms compares to JD. 

I think its wild that some of you wont even wait for results or for games to be played. Just - if Daniels is drafted im basically done. Thats wild to me especially after JUST getting through all the Dan Snyder bull****. You would think there would be some hope. Not one final chance to do what you think. 

8 minutes ago, Idaho fan said:

I Must have missed it.  Who is "they" and why are "they" wanting us to take Daniels so badly?  Just to be right so their mocks are correct?  I guess I don't buy some agenda where so many anonymous scouts, coaches and members of the media want Washington to take Daniels at all costs. What would be the reason?

There is an evil cabal of Giants fans and family members occupying high positions in league offices and high up in other organizations that are paying corrupt media members to spread false draft profiles about Jayden Daniels to get the coaches in Washington to fall in love with him and convince GMAP to draft him at 2. 

Trust no one. Do your own research. 

41 minutes ago, mac8887 said:

I think he can get through his 2nd contract before he starts to lose his wheels. By then, you would hope he will have mastered his craft as a passer enough that he can still be capable to lead the team to being a playoff contender.

I think he can be one of the better passers in the league before his second contract if we nurture that side of his game. He has enough wheels to get him out of trouble, but I would rather they use him in a timing based passing attack that he has show he can get a feel for.....and then use his legs as sparingly as possible until he can master that. I don't want them to be a crutch. Maybe use them enough that they are a threat so he gets easier looks but not much more than that unless we are in serious contention for something. 

But then I actually think he an Maye are very similar in that regard. Daniels just has way more reps and that gives him a leg up. 

1 hour ago, Warhead36 said:

We're biased towards the QB who projects to be better in the pros based on traits and metrics. There's no conspiracy.

 

If we were picking 3rd and Maye was off the board then fine take a shot at Daniels.

You project him to be better. You. Thats the key thing here. Nothing you argue is settled fact and that is easily checked by the fact that if it was, there would be no argument. 

You are going to have to accept the fact that you dont actually KNOW whats going to happen. No one does. And people disagree with you and the way you use your metrics. Seriously its not that hard to understand unless you are so full of yourself that you think you cannot be wrong. And I know there is no way you can think that. If we draft him, deal with the fact that the person in charge disagrees with you. 

34 minutes ago, fanman8825 said:

I have seen it so many times over the years as well with people including myself. 
I don’t agree with Keim on the team taking Daniels regardless of what he or his agent thinks. My gut tells me that Quinn and KK are pushing for Daniels and Peters may give way to that.

If that’s the case then I am not happy with the Peters hire. Hard to believe you would pick someone who does not want to come here. I am sure there is some truth to it if Daniels publicist had to put out a statement.

 

How could you ever prove this?

1 hour ago, bh32 said:

JD better be a top 15 QB this year with the amount of games he has played in College, no excuses

Come on dude lol. 

I don’t see how any of these guys sit this season. Maybe a few games but drafted into the right org they just need to play and to hell with the results right away. It’s all about reps and experience. Learn some ****. 

Just now, Kalu44 said:

 

Don't forget McNabb too 👎

Eww. Yea gonna have to change that number if it comes to that 

Just now, CommanderInTheRye said:

 

Oh right!!!

 

That was Shulers old number, wasn't it?

 

I had completely forgotten that. If Bubba Tyer were still here he would talk the kid out of it.

 

Bad mojo for a qb to take that number here.

Give him one and he’s basically a straight line and would confuse the duck out of defenders 

28 minutes ago, illone said:

Curious which channel everyone prefers for draft coverage?

 

Normally I stick to NFL Network, but was just watching command center and apparently Peters and Quinn will be making comments right after each pick...

 

 

If they are going to be on there then that is what I’m watching. Normally it’s NFL network for me though if I’m home. 

Wow...he very braggadocios. I like my players more tactful and humble.  🚩

(this is a joke) 

15 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

I don't get how our regime can not fall in love with Maye. Kid has it all.

Who knows. He really seems like their type of player and personality. I cant imagine them not liking him. I still think he is the pick over Daniels. And I don't see how they cannot be worried about JD getting hurt. Seems so obvious. 

46 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

DJ backing off thinking Maye will be the pick

 

 

 

Weird part about this was him saying he was just going with Drake Maye in the beginning cause "his gut" was telling him that Maye was more of a Matt Ryan type of player. What my man? How? 

Its so hard not to be biased in this stuff in some way @Jumbo

It wasn't until arguing a bunch of statistics I cant argue that I realized I think statistics are dumb! 

(mostly, but only mostly joking) 

Isn't KK credited for guys like Mahomes and Williams and their ability to move in the pocket while keeping eyes down the field? Any of you think he could be the prefect teacher for Daniels and sure up his one real weakness? Kinda would be excited to see what he could do with him. 

2 minutes ago, Idaho fan said:

^ Just can't see Maye falling to #11.  Other than that I don't mind that Mock.

No way he gets past NYG 

I think discounting Daniels progress made over his career is only doing you a disservice. Clearly people are taking that into account and it sounds like they are weighing it heavily. Sounds to me its something they like about him, versus the argument that he is a one year wonder. At least, they are willing to role the dice on the prospect that is the case. 

1 hour ago, mistertim said:

 

So now you're doing the "he doesn't always do that" straw man. He doesn't always do it as soon as there's pressure. But he does a lot. Which is the point. 

You turned my argument into a strawman because you cannot argue it. That is a you problem. I don't have to defend this stuff. But look at what you said, look at what I said, and then look at what you said I said. They differ a lot. You are defensive about the "he doesn't always do that" argument because its correct, he doesn't. You want to argue its a pattern of behavior that is difficult if not impossible to solve at the next level. I argue he is coached to do it, is making the correct, positive play. We have danced this dance before. Its why we used to be friends. 

Honestly if you are going to do this I don't know why we are even getting into this. You know what I'm going to say at this point. And I know you are going to accuse me of making strawman arguments. No fun in that for me. And I guarantee you can anticipate my responses to all these points by now. So soon we are just gonna skip all the typing and just grunt at each other. 

1 hour ago, mistertim said:

I'm sorry that statistic means nothing to you. But if you take a look at some of the guys who were nearly as low in that category and went to the NFL...well let's just say it's not very good company. 

The list of people good at that stat is not super good company either really. Unless you manipulate the numbers to only include people who got a second contract (ie isolate the good people). Then sure, you have a point. PFF, who loves this number, says all the time that its nebulous at best when it comes to predicting an NFL career. Only that its hard to improve on. Which I agree its hard to improve. Might be something he struggles with. 

1 hour ago, mistertim said:

And yes, often the results were good in college against inferior athletes. But the NFL is different and I don't think his running style is going to translate well. Especially with how thin he is and the nutso way he takes hits.

Speed kills at all levels. He has it. He will be effective. Define wont translate. Cause if you mean he wont be getting yards on the ground in the NFL then I couldn't disagree more and I don't think you have anyway to prove that. If you mean he will take such big hits that he will break then yes that is the worry we agree there. 

1 hour ago, mistertim said:

In the NFL he's inevitably going to get decleated multiple times, and it's probably only matter of time until the result is an injury. 

The hope will be he learns or his coach sits him before it ends his career. But it is a worry, yes. 

1 hour ago, mistertim said:

As far as WRs who can get open, it's not a matter of getting open, it's a matter of the difference between NFL open and college open. He's not going to have Nabers amd Thomas getting several yards of separation over and over.

 

And this is where his low amount of anticipation throws on tape could rear its head. The majority of the time, even on anticipation routes like comebacks and outs, he didn't throw the ball until he saw his guy open. 

 

He got away with it in college, especially since his receivers were getting so much separation. But that won't be the case in the NFL. Tons of those throws would have been picks in the pros. 

We watched offensive coordinators all over the NFL during the regular season and especially in the playoffs scheme guys wide open. Are we the only team in the league who is not planning to do that? Even if we are (the only team who wont scheme guys open) watching his film gives me no reason to believe he cant do this stuff. He has done it. He also looks to be really good staying on time and on schedule in the pocket. If there is a worry about him passing, its how often he does it outside of the planned offense. To me its easy to see what he could do in the correct structure. 

Honestly we have done this enough I know your points. I think they are valid. I just disagree with your analysis. Thats not what ended our friendship. It was that snake who got in between us. 

Just now, mistertim said:

 

A guy who pulls his eyes down and runs as soon as there's pressure at a borderline historic rate is a running QB.

My issue with this is you saying he does it as soon as there is pressure and there is plenty of tape of him not doing that. I just don't agree with your analysis there. Most people don't, actually. So I don't know what else I can do to dissuade you there. I think he manages pressure better than Maye actually. Room for improvement for both, though. 

Just now, mistertim said:

Daniels ranks 193 out of 196 QB prospects since 2019 in how low his pass rate vs run rate when pressured is.

That means almost nothing to me. And you know my argument here is why take credit from him for positive plays he is making? When he does take off, he is very effective. He averaged over 8 yards per carry last season. It would be stupid for him not to run it. Its basically a guaranteed 1st down. Its the smart play. 

Just now, mistertim said:

And IMO it's likely to be even worse in the NFL as be won't have the kind of OL and elite WRs he did in college. 

Right. He wont have WRs that can get open and OL that can black in the school. Excellent point. 

Just for records keeping purposes - there are about 35 people in here right now.  

When we get to 80 I'm bringing back the publicity stunt debate. 

I'm not going to get **** done at work this week. I'm sorry America. 

3 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

Yeah, he missed on the Ben Johnson part. But i definitely do have the fear that we'll pick the next bust running QB while Maye goes to the Pats and ends up as the next Josh Allen.

 

It would be such a quintessential Washington move.

This fear is grounded in your analysis that he is a running QB. Which is incorrect. I have failed miserably to convince you of otherwise and that is my failure, not yours. I blame myself. 

6 minutes ago, DogofWar1 said:

What if my opinion is that Koolblue13's opinion is correct?

15 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

Kissass