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Running backs are proving to be the best bang for your buck in the market right now, and it's evident today. Teams known for their well-run operations are eagerly snagging these players.

Quarterbacks aren't just about making plays on the field – they've got to hustle off it too. Working hand in hand with their teams, they've got to be savvy with the cash to build and maintain a winning squad. It's not just about throwing touchdowns; it's a financial playbook for long-term success. Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen chose to invest in and anchor themselves with their franchises, aiming for consistent long-term success. Just think about it – if these guys had signed 2-3 year guaranteed deals, the potential money they could rake in would be staggering. It's a partnership until it's not, and eventually, it might become as transactional as NBA superstar dealings. It's not about right or wrong, just not my preference.

I've caught him in games against Washington and a few on national TV. He just moves differently. Not really pushing hard for the guy, and I doubt our front office leans that way in year 1 of building their team. Still, my expectations are to be in the wild card mix from the get-go. Barkley paired with Brob is intriguing, especially with a rookie QB expected to start day 1. But I hear you on the risks and if you feel he’s not looked special in recent seasons. A lot of money will be spent, should be a fun free agent season.

Incredibly cost-effective considering their potential impact on a season. This will soon become a trending topic—the veteran RB's value reaching its trough, presenting a significant buying opportunity in today's market. Somewhat confident that the new front office is actively seeking ways to gain a competitive edge, rather than nostalgically adhering to methods employed by the 75% of mediocre NFL franchises whether that involves picking up Barkley or not. Peters might be considering the MVP-level impact that a player like Christian McCaffrey brought to the Niners with a young QB. Yes, Barkley is that talented to be compared to Mccafrey. The timeline probably doesn't sync with Barkley being a target for this regime, unless they aim to support Daniels or Maye by adding a premier backfield talent proficient in pass protection. It's plausible that the front office may see the value in acquiring a veteran center and a seasoned running back to assist a young QB on a play-by-play basis.

lol… To clarify, I don't anticipate it, but I could support the Front Office if they opt to build an elite backfield for their rookie QB, taking the risk on a talented RB in his age 27 and 28 seasons. Own the risk, but acquiring elite talent is my weakness, regardless of position. Investing in elite RB talent has minimal cap implications, so even in the unfortunate event of a knee injury, you're dealing with a player consuming only 3.5 to 5% of the team's overall cap, likely off the books by year 3. I can easily envision a top 5 rushing attack with Jayden Daniels, utilizing a mix of BRob and Barkley. Alternatively, it could provide reliable support for a QB like Drake Maye as he navigates the intricacies of the game.

I support Wilson only if there's a decrease in entitlement, and he acknowledges the need to strive for over 500 rushing yards in the season to truly impact the QB position. Again, only if Maye or Daniels aren’t loved by the FO.

Now is the moment to acquire Russell; he remains the same player as two years ago, but at a significantly reduced cost. It's a strategic move—buy at the trough, sell at the peak. Considering if Washington's leadership isn't committed to Maye or Daniels, I can easily support bringing in a cost-effective and more grounded Wilson who now recognizes the importance of using his legs for effectiveness. Additionally, there should be an exit option after the first year. Committing to that individual for two years seems too much; it's essential for the organization to maintain leverage. No way do I want this, hope the FO loves either Maye or Daniels.

In this ongoing discussion about dual-threat quarterbacks, I’ve clarified my preference for athletic freaks across all positions, QB included. I'm open to discovering the next Aaron Rodgers or Patrick Mahomes, but what truly distinguishes them is their exceptional minds. Predicting whether a player will be an elite processor at the QB position is challenging. A 4.6-4.7 40-yard dash doesn't strike me as freakish speed in the NFL. When compared to peers like Jones, Tannehill, Carr, Wilson, Herbert, Smith, and Love, all with similar speed, it doesn't give me the impression that Washington will have a QB with extraordinary athleticism. Do you feel that when you’ve watched these guys with comparable speed and size? We’re delving into different tiers of dual-threat QBs, and while you believe most are dual threats, I agree but also see varying levels of proficiency. This is akin to evaluating RBs based on their spatial awareness, explosiveness, and ability to manipulate defenders in open space etc.. I agree that most QBs possess dual-threat ability in the NFL. The speed at the QB spot is on a constant rise, and it might just blow your mind eventually! Similarly to Lamar Jackson winning a second MVP— what a freak! I hope the front office commits substantial funds to incoming free agents. The group appears well-organized and ready for both the present and the future. Now, let's go execute.

It's the perfect moment for a middle-tier team to make a move for Wilson. His value is currently at its nadir, and his next team will likely secure him at a lower cost, setting the stage for potential gains beyond expectations. If his mindset is in the right place and seems to be imbued with a greater sense of gratitude. However, obviously no way Washington should do it! 4.6 40 is an average athlete in the NFL. Everything Maye does, 80% of the starters can and will do in the NFL from a play and run extension. Not saying he won’t prove to be elite at backyard football or become the smartest QB in the league, but not too excited about the prospects of him outwitting the 5-10 year veterans within his rookie contract. Freaks don't need the amalgamation of two seasons to showcase their prowess. I unapologetically embrace my bias towards exceptional talents and find it disconcerting when a quarterback of average athleticism grapples with accuracy issues of any kind being drafted in the top 5. I appreciate his versatility of being a multi-sport athlete and excelling in backyard football though.

Elite dual-threat quarterbacks often make an immediate impact, showcasing their ground skills from the first game of their rookie contract. While this is a significant advantage, the downside lies in the increased risk of injuries. Game 1, Daniels appears poised to match the impact of quarterbacks ranked 8-25. However, Drake Maye's progress depends on mastering the playbook and outsmarting quarterbacks like Kirk Cousins before stepping into competition with the elite. In contrast, Jalen Hurts faced challenges with pocket passing, throws outside the hashes, and reading the field. Despite these difficulties, he still competed, and his running prowess played a significant role in outperforming Patrick Mahomes in the Super Bowl. I'm not dismissing Drake Maye, but from my layman perspective, he doesn't seem to offer an immediate advantage on day one. The key for him lies in becoming the smartest and fastest at reading the field, which, while interesting and can happen, doesn't inspire much confidence in my view. Physical Freaks! This is the way!

This FO was a part of trading assets and rewarding a RB with the biggest contract in history for a RB. Not at all saying it should happen, but the RB market has great value these days.

While not overly optimistic, I don't dismiss the idea of investing in an elite, game-changing RB during the ages of 27 and 28. Hoping the analytics team explores emerging arbitrage opportunities, perhaps in the veteran RB market. Conforming to cliché analytics leads to falling behind; let's embrace innovation, take calculated risks, and stay ahead of the curve – akin to Shen's recent comments relating to the TE position. A little thunder and lightning - 70/30 split/situational. Not a strict either-or situation, but I'm a sucker for elite talent. If the team secures an elite RB for $25 million guaranteed over 2 years in his upcoming 27 and 28 year old seasons, count me intrigued. You don’t have to sign these dudes to 4-5 year contracts. I'm not insisting it should happen, but acquiring elite talent for 4% of the cap could offer substantial ROI, compared to spending the same amount on an average O-lineman, CB, or edge player – not the most appealing option.

Investing in an elite RB presents a prime financial opportunity in today's NFL landscape. Chances are, there won't be a need to venture into a third year of guaranteed funds. Not saying it should be some sort of slam dunk, but the potential ROI for the cost is intriguing, especially coupled with a rookie QB.

Always prioritize evaluating freak talents, especially when your team lacks one in a specific position. Saquon Barkley stands out as such a talent. Limit Barkley to two years guaranteed (overpay for those two years), ensuring strong support for your rookie QB with an elite RB. Barkley was Christian Mccafrey to Daniel Jones two seasons ago.

Standig and Sheehan is my favorite listen on radio these days. The astonishing part is, despite thorough background research from grade school to college, evaluations can still go wrong. Teams should, however, be adept at identifying individuals with a solid work ethic and are a good person. Yet, whether the affable hard worker can make split-second decisions, handle QB pressures, and become obsessive about the process in adulthood is a different narrative. That's why I often favor elite dual-threat players; they offer an immediate high floor, unrelated to reading the field or being an elite student of the game. All made SBs within their rookie contracts: Jalen Hurts Cam Newton Wilson Kaepernick

Curious about a scout's analysis: remarkable pocket movement, yet it seems Mayes stuck to his initial read, which fortunately resulted in a beautiful play as the wide receiver found open space. Is there more value in pocket manipulation with multiple reads, or does that receive different credit? Not coming at this sideways, intrigued to learn more if anyone has any scouting background. Listening in, it sounded like a bunch of cliché answers, with the coach avoiding anything negative. While he does come off as quite shy and introverted, as you somewhat pointed out, there's a noticeable surge of energy and joy when he's on the field. On a side note, but relevant to leadership through play: I appreciate elite dual-threat ability for its unique capacity to capture momentum and energy in games via low-risk, high-reward actions such as running the football to gain yards.

Feeling perplexed; while following this thread, there appears to be similar, if not slightly more, support for Maye compared to Daniel's, yet the tone from some suggests otherwise. The seasoned individuals here seem to lean towards Maye. My assumption is that supporters for Daniels are 20 years younger or so than those for Maye lol 😂 For scorekeeping purposes, I qualify as an old head these days. lol

How crazy is this really? Any comparative analysis provided?

Imagine supporting a family as a slide coach is fantastic and increasingly essential, especially with the growing trend of quarterbacks relying on backyard football skills, agility and running. Disappointed that Jayden Daniels lacks a baseball history for sliding and exploring unique arm angles. I appreciate the concept of having an elite dual-threat player who can both navigate the field effectively (being taller) and maintain a smooth delivery. Typically, elite dual-threat athletes are smaller and struggle with inconsistent throwing motions, hindering their ability to establish early rhythm in an offense with their arms.

Injuries are part of the game. In the same draft class, we witnessed Andrew Luck retiring before RG3. I'm not suggesting that dual-threat QBs aren't more susceptible to missing playing time, but it's uncommon for their careers to be abruptly shortened by injuries. On the flip side, we could witness quarterbacks usually considered safer from an injury standpoint diminishing due to running more. There's an expectation for all quarterbacks to be able to create, extend, and scramble for yards when necessary. The baseline for running expectations set by franchises is on the rise. Newton completed 11 seasons in the NFL. In his 10th season with the Patriots, his running ability remained at an elite level. Unfortunately, his throwing power was significantly affected when his AC joint on his throwing shoulder got injured while attempting a tackle. His legs remained elite to the end. You are too easily annoyed my man. Most QBs are injured. Tough sport. Are you saying he was injured and that’s why he couldn’t run? I don’t think that’s what you mean, but just checking. I concur that such a scenario seems improbable. Personally, I'm content with an 8-year run, given it yields a 60-70% win percentage, chances for deep playoff runs, and perhaps a fortunate journey to the championship game. If there are signs of decline after the second contract, then start exploring other options. The notion of playing a 15-20-year game with a QB is somewhat fantastical; it does happen, but typically only for Hall of Fame quarterbacks (not attaching this to you by any means). If that's the argument, then yes, I strongly lean towards Drake Maye over Daniels. 100% Maye is more likely to start for a franchise in years 13-20 than Danies. I appreciate having a player's superpower with a high likelihood of impacting games at a high level, especially early in their rookie contract. Daniel’s projects to impact the teams run game at an elite level, elevating his RBs and Oline day 1 upon his arrival. I get this, but I like probabilities of the Washington QB have a physical advantage over the pool of mediocre QBs that represent 70% of starters and over the great to elite guys Washington will play in the playoffs. Relying on Drake Maye to become a better QB mentally than the dudes in the league seems like a lower probability. Take Jalen Hurts, for instance. While he may not excel in traditional pocket QB skills, he held his own against Mahomes in the Super Bowl, with many believing he outplayed Mahomes. His impact came significantly from his running ability, something Mahomes can't quite match in the same way. While I generally lean towards quarterback "freaks," I'm perfectly fine if they end up with Maye. The discussion has shifted from, and at least around here, there's no debate about the need for a QB who can create and extend – Maye can certainly do that.

Is there a source or individual compiling data on the number of anticipation throws attempted and completed by each quarterback? Also, are there widely accepted criteria to determine what qualifies as an anticipated throw?

Can you provide examples of elite dual-threat individuals with notably brief careers? Additionally, how do you define a "very short" career in your perspective? Truly interested to hear your thoughts, especially when your other team has an elite dual threat guy playing on a second contract.

Ignoring injuries, do you lean towards Daniels over Maye? Absolutely hate Daniels wasnt a former baseball player, off platform throws and baseball slides are below average for him. Admire his consistent throwing motion and am hopeful he measures close to or at 6'4. Love the concept of having an elite dual-threat player who can excel at checking down without being prone to batted balls and similar issues.

If Daniel runs as fast or faster than you did at your peak in the 40-yard dash, are you still part of the Maye camp? For those unfamiliar, @Skinsinparadise used to run a 4.4 40-yard dash.

I'm kinda intrigued by the whole weight and injuries thing in the NFL, especially for quarterbacks. People say being heavier makes you less prone to injuries, right? Gonna dig into that for fun. Noticed the dude's size, but not sure how much it really matters – not that I'm saying it's the right way to look at it. Just my two cents. Haha, never claimed Mahomes, Tua, Stroud, Rodgers in our debates. If you toss them into the dual-threat QB mix, it feels like 80-90% of QBs should be on that list. They're not exactly running the show in the ground game or imparting it heavily. The league's gotten more athletic at QB, ditching those old-school ideas—the baseline is John Elway athleticism now 😳. Younger Wilson, back when he was crushing it in multiple SBs, now that was an elite dual-threat dude – and that was like 15 years ago! You seem a bit closed-minded on this, not catching the ongoing shift in the NFL. The basic athleticism at QB is on the upswing – maybe not at the extreme elite level, but the baseline is definitely climbing. It’s not to say your precious ideas of what makes a great QB don’t remain in many ways, but there’s different paths to get there. In the 80s it was believed a shooting guard/wing player couldn’t be the best player on an NBA championship team. In the 2000s shooting too many threes and not playing inside out was considered bad basketball. I love using the NBA because it always seems 10-15 years ahead of the NFL. Another example for the fun of it is the middle of the field becoming more position less to counter the high octane passing offenses, much like the NBA became position less 15 or so years ago. My bad if it came off as disingenuous; never tossed those guys into the dual-threat QB mix. Usually, I'm talking about Jackson, younger Wilson, Newton, Kaepernick, Tebow, Allen, Hurts, Murray, RG3, etc., as the elite dual-threat crew. In my observation, QBs with elite dual-threat skills drafted in rounds 1 or 2 tend to bust less than those less athletically gifted. While I'm up for a chat about the ceiling, it seems the floor is higher for early-drafted athletic QBs. I reckon the NFL might have this wrong, but getting rid of the old guard takes time. Many teams still have dinosaurs running the show – not denying there's truth in their approach, but they're often limited by their old-school thinking. No model's flawless in the NFL, but the floor looks solid today. I'll admit, the elite dual-threat advantage has dwindled compared to 15 years ago with the whole league getting more athletic at QB. It's wild – if you can't create, extend, and take off, your draft stock seems to take a hit in today's analysis! Imagine saying that 20- 25 years ago. Just a heads up: Lamar was the NFL MVP at 27. The age factor seems a bit weak; not sure it holds much water with this logic. I'm hooked on Daniels' height and smooth throwing mechanics – a bit of an anomaly among elite dual-threat guys in the past two decades. Initially pegged him as a mid-4.5 40-yard dash guy, but there are reports he might be sub-4.4. If that's the case – a definite 100000% all-in on that floor and upside. Daniels brings an elite run game floor that directly affects time of possession, often reduces turnovers, keeps your defense and the opposing team's offense off the field, and holds the potential for a dynamic red zone offense. Just to be clear, I'm generally inclined toward athletic freaks at any position, including QB. However, I'm not counting Caleb out; getting him would be fantastic. Currently leaning towards Drake Maye at the 3rd position on my list due to not knowing his potential superpower entering the league. Not suggesting his arm talent won't develop, but many powerful arms are active in the league and on sitting the bench. I'm not firmly taking a stance on him right now, and it probably won't change during this process. If Washington drafts him, I'll be hoping he becomes a savant and studies the game maniacally for his arm talent to flourish and becomes a wizard at reading the field. With Caleb and Daniels, there's no hoping needed – even as a casual fan, I'm confident they'll bring instant impact and known variables to a game full of chaos.