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I always like to try new stuff, so I youtubed it and watched about half. Kinda reminds me of a cross between Monty Python and Frank Zappa. Definitely has that late 70s homechoke vibe to it. Gonna go back and watch the rest later.

Thanks brother! I was starting to think that I was the only one bothered by this. We are still being treated like the inbred stepchildren of the former owner. And I guess till we prove otherwise, we are. If the Pats are so super-smart and want Maye, we need to trade down with them and get something out of the deal besides the 4th best QB in the draft in Daniels. As far as I am concerned, choosing between Maye and Daniels is very easy. And for many here with RG3 PTSD, this is a do-over of 2012, except this time we get to choose Luck instead of Griffin. Don't get me wrong, I loved RG3 that whole season, and I could never hate him because of the gift of that season. But when he got hurt he was never the same. Not even close. So now we have Maye and Daniels. Very similar to 2012 Luck and Griffin. And before anyone does a spit-take and wants to slam me for comparing Maye to Luck, I'm not saying Maye's even close. He has some similarities, as do Daniels and Griffin. The point being, a big stout pocket-passer compared to a scrappy dual-threat QB. But if they were both to sustain an injury to the degree that RG3 did that took away their running ability( not scrambling in the pocket, but actually tucking it to run) and they had to be a pure pocket passer, then hands-down It's Maye that wins 8 times out of 10. I remember the first 3 games this past year, and especially in the opener against Arizona, all the dirty hits on Sam Howell. Man, If that was JD, he would have been driven off the field on a cart. And Make no mistake, whomever picks Daniels might as well start the 17-game clock. Because some head-hunter DE or LB is going to bust him in two before the end of the season. Then he may or may not ever become what Drake Maye already is. And something else while I sustain my rant, Someone posted a Q&A with Mark Schlereth a couple days ago where he and the interviewer (could have been Josh Norris, not sure) were comparing Maye to Daniels. And Schlereth was bashing Maye on his footwork and arm motion while he was the QB for UNC. But in the very next breath said that he cleaned up his drop and release on his pro day. He said he looked good at his pro day, but that it was all fake and that's not what you're gonna get if you draft him. What a moronic thing to say. I've said all along here that both Sam Howell and Drake Maye have a stunningly similar problem with footwork and crazy release at times and that it's probably due to poor coaching in the UNC program. And I've also said that Maye is a smart kid who's probably heard this mantra daily since the end of the season and is aware of it, and working to fix it. The simple fact that he looked clean at his pro day speaks volumes to his dedication to fix it, and that in HIS case, it's fixable. I don't worry about Maye fixing his footwork and arm motion. He's dedicated, smart and is a dog competitor. It's something he'll work on for his whole career. Hell, even Brady said he worked on his footwork after every season for 20+ years. I believe you can take away Drake's ability to tuck and run and you have not diminished his ability to be a successful QB. Same goes for Caleb Williams. But if you take away Jaden's ability to run, you've reduced him by half.

LOL, That's a hoot. Thanks for the heads-up. I was looking for an edit to the OP.

I was a freshmen in high-school when that movie came out. Same with Conan. Both movies left an indelible mark on me. Same with Star Wars. Princess Leia was so bad-ass. As for your edit, Now that I completed the survey, I can only see the unedited version. Unless someone could tell this poor sap what I am doing wrong?

Now you're talkin! 🔥

Well done CITR. I really enjoyed the poll. You need to add some classic badass movies like Conan The Barbarian, Heavy Metal 1981, Jaws and Star Wars. Also, add another option for us over-the-hill-gang that don't feel like coaching or QBing, but also certainly don't like ants. Like an evening in a hot-tub with any actor or actress, dead or alive, of the person's choice. For me it would be Elizabeth Montgomery. Michelle Pfeiffer would be a close second.

This is really a sweet draft haul here CK. I would love for the real thing to mirror this or be even better. We'd be looking solid across the board. Thanks for ya'll's hard work on this. It's a far cry from mocking against the AI programs. The personal touch by each GM doing in-depth research for their teams makes it much more valuable.

I've started running my mocks with this idea in mind. For instance, if two of Mims, Guyton or Morgan were available to me at 36 and 40, I would pick two OTs. But often times there was guys like JPJ, D. Robinson, Kool-Aid, G. Barton, J. Newton and Chop available at 36. So, I started to take the highest rated player regardless if he was a OT or not. Obviously I am going to pick another QB if we've already taken ours at #2. I figure GMAP will already be thinking this way because it's probably basic GM-101, although it's a new concept to me. But I can see the logic in it. That being said, do all GM's see it this way? Just the good GMs? And what is the highest number of blue-chip players that you can recall on any given team? I suppose that your theory of 4-5 blue-chip players with another 9-11 very good players for support can be played-out by going back to SB winning teams of the past. Maybe not just the SB winning teams, but NFC/AFC champion teams would also support this theory?

No, I am talking about taking Mims at 36 and Guyton at 40. I'd rather have both of these guys than only one Fashanu. But, they both probably wont fall that far in reality, so just take the one that's left and go after Fisher, or Kiran, or Rosengarten or Paul in the 3rd. I'm also warming to GoingCommando's theory that we don't have to have studs at LT and RT.

More and more mocks have Mims and Guyton falling to our natural picks at 36 and 40. Don't know what's changed as far as draft need with teams in the first, but I am warming to the idea of sitting tight at certain spots while trading down for others. It's amazing to be at pick 222 and still have 3 solid players to pick.

7 Round - 1 Team: Mock Draft 04/11/24 My Selections 2 Drake Maye QB | North Carolina 36 Amarius Mims OT | Georgia 40 Tyler Guyton OT | Oklahoma 67 Max Melton CB | Rutgers 78 Bralen Trice EDGE | Washington 100 Jalen McMillan WR | Washington 139 Brenden Rice WR | USC 152 Caelen Carson CB | Wake Forest 222 Tanner McLachlan TE | Arizona No Trades

Yeah, I take your points here SIP. My gut reaction was that he's doing us a disservice by even acknowledging the recent memes going around the coaching circles. But I guess I bit hard on that, because all he's saying is what THEY are saying. He's not saying it's fact. What bugs me is that so many intelligent football minds on this board have made such compelling cases for one or the other, that I am only reinforced by that. I am not questioning it or changing by the new data or viewpoints. I am digging in. So, if I agree with Keim about most views he has, shouldn't I be feeling less Maye and More Daniels? Well I'm not. So I don't know why he's shifted. when we both started at the same point. Don't know if I am clear on this point. Do you catch my drift?

Just curious, why DID we grab Mariota instead of another QB for back-up? His career stats are just atrocious.

There's something in the whole 'Daniel's has a clear peg advantage' to me that doesn't add up. And the fact that Keim is involved in this in any way is troubling to me. It seems to give a certain bona-fides to the echo-chamber of the NFL that we are going Daniels when we haven't given any indication either way. Years ago a prominent lawyer explained to me how a judge finds a verdict in so many different cases in which he has very limited knowledge of the facts, participants, motivations, etc... He said that judges simply have a check-list of aggravating and mitigating factors. A sheet of paper, split down the middle, with check-marks on either side. So the prosecution has all it's aggravating checks on one side, and defense pumps out it's mitigating checks on the other. Minus something glaringly obvious, a judge will simply opt for the side with the most checks. So, in this case, we are the judges. Set aside personal likes and biases we have for Maye or Daniels, we are simply gathering check-marks for both these guys. Aggravating and mitigating factors as to weather we should or shouldn't take either. Speaking for myself, it's been Maye for the whole time since before we even had the pick. I'm not a scout, but I've watched a crap-load of football in my life and I trust my own judgement. The checks are heavily weighted for Maye on my page. With all of us here, I've felt the hope, and then the crushing despair of RG3 in 2012. I don't want another QB whos instinct is to bag-ass when things look just a bit sketchy. I want a thumper like Sam Howell, who stands tall in the pocket and keeps his head up and down range and find his targets even though he knows he's gonna take the hit. For me that's Maye. What gnaws at me about this above all is these super-smart douchebags in the sports media treating us as if this were the previous regime. Asshat Snider would be sold months ago on one particular candidate, and no amount of film or stats or evidence of any kind was going to budge him. I hate to even speculate how many times a media narrative driven by one of his 'buddies' in the sports world caused him to be sold immediately on some team's trash cast-off. Albert Haynesworth, ugggggg! So, to my point, Keim seems to be going against his own instincts on this and NOT verifying it 7 times, but hollowly parroting the rest of the dipsticks around him. The simple fact that HE says it gives it the cred. Another thing that gnaws at me is that these same super-smart sports media douchebags just stamp us with Daniels because he's the most ready day 1 starter as far as many are concerned. Like we are mobilizing every asset for an immediate contender, without regard to long-term plans. While I can agree with that somewhat about Daniels, that's not how GMAP and the Harris group are approaching this team build. The instant gratification need is from the last regime, not this one. Our coaching staff/front office is in this for the long haul. They can afford to take a QB that may 'seem' to some a bit raw and feel like we have time to coach him. After rubber-stamping us with the latest QB of the week, these same media jackholes will turn to the pick after us and sagely nod to the Patriots about how wise THEY are in wanting Maye. That's last regime crap right there! That the media thinks it can talk us into submission with their charms and then, in front of our faces, turn to their next darling sports market in line, weather it's NE or NY and bestow the kudos about their SMART pick. And in the same breath, the media will say that if Maye is not an option, that NE will consider trade offers. Hahahaha! The arrogance of this constantly chirping sports punditry is breathtaking. And for Keim to apparently legitimize or validate some of these 'really good offensive minds' is gonna come back and bite him in the ass if we really do pick Maye. To the infamy of his name. Just my 2 cents.

QUICK LINKS: Mock Draft Simulator|Consensus Mock Drafts|Consensus Big Boards|Player Comparison Tool In 7 days, this mock draft will be made unavailable. 7 Round - 1 Team: Mock Draft 04/05/24 Share Mock Draft Create Mock Draft My Selections 2 Caleb Williams QB | USC 36 Jackson Powers-Johnson IOL | Oregon 40 Demeioun Robinson EDGE | Penn State 67 Patrick Paul OT | Houston 78 Jermaine Burton WR | Alabama 100 Elijah Jones CB | Boston College 139 Theo Johnson TE | Penn State 152 Jamari Thrash WR | Louisville 222 Walter Rouse OT | Oklahoma

I took Keim's reaction to the guy's tweet to mean that it's really never been a Washington theme to be pursuing JJ. But that it's always been Daniels or Maye. As an aside, I think DQ's reaction and big smile as he walked away from Maye at his pro day to speak volumes as to HIS preference for QB. Just my take though. DQ gets his input, but I think Kliff and Peters have the lions share of the draft choice for QB.

Since we moved up to the #2 pick, pretty much everyone has us picking either Maye or Daniels, but I have always thought that we should be ready for Caleb too. Just about everyone says Caleb is a lock to Chicago, but the people who say that are just guessing as well. Albeit, an educated guess, but a guess none the less. So, what if Chicago likes Maye better for their system than Caleb, or think he has a higher ceiling than Caleb and they pick Maye? Do we automatically pick Caleb?

Damn Goose, This draft haul would be primo. You literally got the second best LT in the draft while only giving up a 3rd and swapping a 2nd for a 3rd. Like it.

This is a point I want to address. I'm not a coach, so I don't know how easy or hard something like footwork is to fix. But I don't think it's a coincidence that both Sam Howell and Drake Maye came from the same college program into the NFL within 2 years of each other and both have almost the identical problem with footwork, drift in the pocket, throw of the back foot, heel-click, happy feet, problems as the other does. Something is not being coached to these QB's at the UNC program. But you would have to have your head buried in the sand not to have heard from 60 different sources that Maye's major red flag is his footwork. You know he's heard it. And he's probably working on it as we speak. He's a very bright kid It's not like he can't properly drop and set, or that he's never done it. He does it quite frequently. Just not all the time. So I don't buy that a 3 month time-frame isn't an adequate amount of time to become consistent at something he does most of the time, just not all the time. I know that I am oversimplifying this, but the guy is a competitor. He's aware of the problem and surely wants to fix it because he wants to win. Something like consistency isn't hard to teach. He can already do it. It's not new to him. Coaches need to do some in-depth drills and clinics with him. they also need to talk to him and find out what's going on in his head on some of these plays. Like 'why did you drift to the right on this play when your 1st and 2nd reads were to the left?' So much has been said about Drake's footwork, like it's this big, insurmountable thing. He can already do it. And, I'm sure that he's smart enough to see that his best games with his best completion percentages were when he limited the mental lapses with his footwork and kept his mechanics smooth.

Yes sir. I totally agree with this point. I have a feeling that we will move up into the first round for a higher-end OT. But I also think we could pick Paul at 40, which is another massive human being. Between the two, we can see who fills L or R better. I know our ES mock has us taking Kingsley at our natural pick at 36. It's a mock and therefore just a guess, but I don't see a brain like GMAP leaving such an important position left to chance. We finally have our Bethard/Casserley back in the building after 30 years. They have a plan and I guarantee it will not play out like the mock has it. The only tweener I would take would be Barton. But we would have to take Paul as well. I would take any combo of Mims, Barton Guyton Morgan or Paul and feel comfortable

Yes, total guess on my part about what each value a pick is worth. I am not a bean counter as others are on this board, but just guessing, I think a high 2nd and low third would get you to 16th pic. Hell, it could take adding a 6th rounder as well. But to your point, I want a massive human being to be the LT even if he's a bit raw. Mims is just that, although he's more RT. And he can move that massive frame. When it's all said and done...1.) I want the QB with the most upside. To me that's Maye. I don't care that he's raw at certain things, the natural talent is there. 2.) I want a LT to protect his blind side. I'd rather have a veteran for this, with his natural position being LT and not RT. But if not a vet, then a friggin Yeti that can move.

I think we either package a 2nd and a 3rd to move up to the middle of the 1st, in that Fautanu range or between 20 and 30 range to target Mims, Guyton, JPJ, Barton or at least Morgan. Or we keep hounding Denver to trade us Boles for a pic and cap relief. He's 32 this year and coming off a pretty good year. What should we give up for a starting LT that we should be able to keep for another 3-4 years?

I agree with you on an X-receiver. I had McConkey, Thomas, Mitchell and Franklin as my late 1st rounders. I'd much rather have a true possession receiver, and that would have been Mitchell, but after reading ST=god's breakdown of the Texas receiver, he's concerned about bad football character. About him not being a team player and taking plays off. Chase Young'ish.

No trades