Rufus T Firefly

LOL. Yay, almost making the playoffs. A true goal for our team to shoot for.

Yeah, I don't care about low money signings to help out with culture etc. But the idea spending 20 mil for a "mentor" is dumb. That gives me flashbacks to people thinking multiple draft picks and huge money to Donovan McNabb because he was going to teach the non-existent young QB of the future how to play.

LMAO. The choices aren't "quick fix" vs "Don't win for 4 years"

Continues to crack me up. The whole fanbase complained about Dan, but so many ignore that Dan's biggest issue was always looking for the quick fix and never thinking more than a season down the road. So the same people who kept talking about how dumb Dan was then turn around and want a 4-13 team to go after FAs in their 30s and hope that we can get 2 good years out of them. Hysterical.

Who are Daniel and William, and what item of theirs are we deciding on?

And how many of those QBs flopped? Or took years and change of scenery to develop into anything worthwhile? But I guess getting nothing out of that QB is fine because "HE HAS TO PLAY" for whatever nonsense reason.

My though is I'd ask for less now but ask for a conditional pick in two years. If he does almost nothing, it'd be a 7th, but if he played a lot and really played well it would go a lot higher.

You have literally nothing to base that on, and are in fact denying what those QBs and the people who worked with them thought. And I don't give a damn about rookie contract or who started over them. The point is that some (most?) of the best QBs of this era sat and believe doing so benefited their long-term careers. the idea of throwing that aside because "you gotta get something from them" from day one is just dumb.

LOL. Allen took a legendary amount of work and didn't start to become a very good QB until year 3. It's very possible he'd have gotten there quicker if they had just concentrated on working out his flaws rather than throwing him into playing right away. How did sitting work out for Brady, Rodgers, Mahomes or Jackson? Your argument is basically that you wouldn't be happy getting that kind of career from a QB we drafted because we "wasted" a year of their rookie contract. Sadly many (including many shortsighted teams) would rather prioritize trying to win 7 or 8 game in year one, even if it's better for their QB's development to sit and work on mechanics for a while.

If they need mechanical work (ad both if them do, frankly) then those things don't "get better by playing" they get better by coaching and practicing, which would be limited if they have to prepare to start each game. When you invest in a QB who can lead your team for a decade and a half (or more), the important thing is to do everything possible to help them develop for long-term success. It's kind of mind-boggling how quickly that can get brushed aside.

Yes, the idea of a vet would be to help mentor the rookie. Do we have any reason to think Tannehill or Wilson would be good at that? I would bet Russ isn't. Maybe Tannehill is. But we know Brissett is. So stick with him. Or let Sam start. See if he can build some trade value, while Brissett backs him up and the rook works on his mechanics.

I would do it for Guyton.

LOL. An NFL QB is going to get hit a lot. A running QB even more so. You want to "mitigate" it by having take a few percent less hits? Great. Does;t really charge anything. And you want to take a QB who's straight is running and then tell him o stop running the ball so much? I really don't get the knots people are turning themselves in to justify this pick.

Not interested in a 35 year old Kirk. But I would be okay with that trade down if you could really get JJ. in the second (spoiler alert; zero chance) But there should be more in the trade down as well. the second pick in this draft should be a minimum of an RG3 package to trade out of not only the top QBs but Harrison as well. Throw in another 1st.

This will some more fo that repetition that KDawg thinks makes this thread so special. But, once again, the issue with Daniels isn't solved by "slide more." The issue is the way he takes hits. He lacks the instinct to protect himself and his body has the tendency to whiplash himself when he does. Those aren't things that can be coached away. You'd just as well ask Caleb Williams "Have you considered being a couple inches taller?"

So, the only real way to do what was proposed, and it would be difficult with a lot of moving parts- LV has to want the same QB we would take without a trade down. Say it's Maye. You agree on a trade package to move down. So now you discuss a trade back up. Agree to terms with someone, let's say Tennessee at 7. So now you draft Maye. When Tennessee is on the clock and McCarthy hasn't been taken yet, you confirm the parameters of the trade back up. Then you deal Maye to LV and then the deal with the Titans and take McCarthy. But even that only works if you are prepared to take Maye and don't actually think McCarthy is better, because you don't risk losing out on your top QB. Otherwise, you likely need to deal with Arizona, or at the least the Chargers to make sure you get him.

The idea of entertaining building a draft strategy around passing over the top QBs in the draft in order to take McCarthy while simultaneously assuming McCarthy won't go very high seems really silly.

You should edit that gif, the swear in it will get you in trouble. As for your trade scenario, if you're doing it for McCarthy, you better be sure he'd be there at 10, which seems like quite a risk. And value-wise, you are getting hosed on the trade up.

https://x.com/Super70sSports/status/1758564785929486427?s=20 Posting the link instead of the tweet because of a bad word. But pretty funny.

Maybe getting a little off-topic, but I've posted about Shanahan and the Lance situation myself before. That would have taken some real coaching ad development work and he didn't really do it. Lance getting hurt was part of the problem for sure, but he seemed determined to play him as running QB from the start, which doesn't help in that development process. Developing any Qb int he NFL takes work. But guys like Purdy are easy projects. Mechanically sound, decent accuracy, played a lot in college. It's why I just shook my head at people who thought Jay Gruden was some wizard at dolloping QBs because of Andy Dalton. Guys like that are the entry level class for QB coaching. What was done with Mahomes and Allen is the impressive work. Jackson as well. You want to show you are a QB guru, do that kind of job. BTW, someone is going to make a move for Lance this offseason. Be interesting to see where he goes and if there is a chance for him to do something yet.

So, you're not saying it, you're just stating it. Thanks for the clarification.

Did you just try to justify thinking one passer could get better by pointing out another passer got worse?

I would probably literally faint if he signed for that price.