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So we can all agree that it's basically just marketing.

Will he be unable to play QB in the NFL if he has a different jersey number?

For the life of me, I will never fully understand women who do this stuff and think it somehow looks good. I absolutely 100% get the fact that there are unreasonable and unfair beauty standards that women in our society much of the time have to try and live up to, but this stuff is just absolutely nutso and looks awful at best. On the left I see an attractive middle age woman. On the right I see nothing but pure nightmare fuel.

HEY MAN. We're talking about jersey numbers, here. This is

Yes I played many sports at many levels with varying levels of success. I never put much value in a number. It's just a jersey. The number didn't matter to me, what I did in it mattered. And yes, I'm only one person in the midst of a lot who value a number. Ask me if I care.

I personally think the best compromise for the number situation is to allow a player to use the Schrödinger equation as their jersey number. That way it's a superposition of all possible numbers and states.

Yes I understand how numbers work. But will the world suddenly end in a cataclysmic orgy of fire and brimstone if a guy wears one number vs a different one?

Why is this an interesting question? This conversation is so odd to me. It's a number.

A true Washington fan.

It really depends on the application. If it's for home defense purposes #0 buckshot has more penetration than #00 buck, so you have to be much more aware of what's behind your intended target.

Winner for the best description of Newton is Fox Sports: "A bowling ball of butcher knives"

That's rather odd. One thing I noticed in watching his cutups is how nonstop his motor seems to be.

Why did you have to ruin this for everyone? We were enjoying the whole thing as it was.

I actually think @Llevron should wear the fact that he apparently even managed to confuse @Jumbo as something akin to a badge of honor. It is a relatively impressive achievement.

How do you know so much about the internal workings of the Steelers FO? And I never said Tomlin just came in and told Khan to sit in the corner. I'm saying that a coach with that much time and clout within an organization is very unlikely to just sit by while the (very new and recently promoted) GM makes decisions. I'm guessing Tomlin's input carries incredibly heavy weight, to the point where going directly against his input would require a fair bit of explaining internally. Just because it's not a good idea generally for a coach to make all personnel decisions doesn't somehow negate the possibility that it has happened in the Steelers organization. Again, how do you know so much about their internal structure and drafting process? As far as blame, so because Tomlin doesn't have the GM title he cannot in any way be blamed at all for drafting a bust in the 1st round? Did he have NO input on Pickett? (He did btw, he's talked about why they drafted him and why he wanted him). And yes everyone has trouble finding a QB. That's why I'm not saying that Tomlin should be fired over Pickett. I'm saying that if I were the ownership I'd be asking what the plan is to find a future franchise QB. Because the current "plan" of Russell Wilson and Justin Fields is...pretty bad. And IF he didn't really have an answer I'd at the very least start considering whether a possible coaching change after all these years might at some point be a fair idea. I really wish people would actually read comments and absorb what posters are saying instead of responding to a straw man.

Tomlin has been there since 2007. Their GM, Khan, has been GM since 2022 and had more minor roles before that. Tomlin is practically royalty there compared to Khan. I doubt Khan got promoted to the GM job by saying "I'm the draft guy now, I make the decisions". And yeah they picked the wrong year to draft a QB. Again, I'm not saying I'd fire him. I'm just saying that if I'm ownership I'd want to hear what his long term plan is at QB, because signing a 35 year old Wilson to a 1 year vet min deal and then spending peanuts on castoff bust Fields is basically a "let's hold on for this year and then just hope something better comes along at some point" plan.

Fair point, though Tomlin did completely whiff on Kenny Pickett. Now he's going with a potentially washed up vet who was jettisoned by the team he was traded to a couple of years ago and a 1st round bust castoff from another team that they got for next to nothing. If I'm ownership I'm at the very least requesting he provide me with some sort of idea of what his longer term plan is for the QB position. If he doesn't really have a good answer I'd at least start to consider some new blood at HC.

I dunno, maybe. Baker and Tanny were always "ok" QBs. They didn't live up to their draft status, but they weren't outright flameout busts. We'll see if last season was an aberration for Baker or his new norm. And Tanny went to Tennessee where the vast majority of the gameplan centered around Derrick Henry. Once Henry got banged up and started losing a step, Tannehill's production dropped as well because teams didn't have to constantly sell out to stop the run.

I think you're right. Young is probably the one dude who was drafted really high (though it was also the supplemental draft) and eventually lived up to his draft status somewhere else. But yeah, that was also a unique situation. He spent years backing up one of the greatest QBs to ever play and then at 30 years old got his second chance to be a franchise QB and went on to be a HoFer.

I said busts who went somewhere else and suddenly became good. Gannon was a 4th rounder, Green was an 8th rounder, Warner was undrafted, Plummer was a 2nd rounder, Flutie was an 11th rounder, Geno was a 2nd rounder. Guys drafted after the 1st don't have much in the way of expectations. None of those guys were drafted as the face of the franchise. So that leaves Plunkett, Alex Smith, and Testaverde. Plunkett is hard to really judge because it was such a different era. He never really put up much in the way of stats but did win 2 SBs (though being able to lean on Marcus Allen certainly made his job easier in SB18). Alex Smith is basically the textbook definition of mediocrity. He didn't go somewhere else and suddenly become a top QB. He sucked at first in SF, then managed to transition to mediocrity there and that's where he stayed for the rest of his career. Testaverde had a couple of good years but was a career journeyman. I was talking about 1st round busts who went to another team and became that new team's long term franchise QB and lived up to their draft status. I said there are some who go on to be journeymen and backups. That's Smith and Testaverde.

I think you kinda have to pick which one you want, because you have to design your offensive system around it. If you have a guy like Lamar, you design your offense around his running. If you have a guy like Mahomes, you design your offense around his passing. Now obviously if you have an athletic QB who can use his legs it makes plenty of sense to design some runs into the system (as in Josh Allen for example). But that's completely different than designing your entire system around a QB's running (as in Lamar). I just really really hope they choose to focus on Jayden's passing and use his running ability as an adjunct vs the main feature. Because I agree with you, if he can become an elite passer who can keep defenses on their toes with his legs sometimes, then he could become a 10+ year franchise QB and we could be a perennial contender. If the choice is to focus on his running, I think he'll flame out like other running QBs. Though, as I've noted in the past, my biggest concern there with Daniels isn't necessarily that we'll have a ****load of designed runs (LSU didn't) but that he statistically tends to take off so damn often when pressured and moved off his spot vs scrambling and throwing off platform. Hopefully that can be improved on.

People said the same stuff about Darnold and Trubisky. They still sucked. And our defense was hilariously atrocious that day, but ok...Fields looked good. So what? Even ****ty QBs sometimes have great games. Overall if you watch him enough you'll see just how bad Fields really is as an actual QB (very good running back though).

We hear this about pretty much every single bust QB. "Oh he can probably be good in a different setting", etc. It basically never happens. How many bust 1st round QBs have gone on to other teams and suddenly become good? They pretty much all either become permanent mediocre backups or end up completely out of the league shortly. If you watch Fields play, outside of his running and a few splash play throws, he sucks. He's just a bad QB. Terrible and slow at getting through progressions, panics often if his first read isn't open, he has little to no pocket presence or feel for pressure, he can't seem to read defenses pre or post snap and is very often fooled by any sort of disguised coverage, his footwork and mechanics suck (we know those are things that QBs can improve, but his hasn't in 3 years so far), he sucks at throwing off platform, he's incredibly hesitant to make tight window 2nd level throws down the middle so he usually relies just on boundary throws...which makes it so much easier for NFL defenses to defend. He's. Just. Bad. He's basically a running back who can occasionally complete a pass. If that's really what the Steelers want...good luck with that. My guess is they just figured they might as well grab him for super cheap and see what happens. Best case is he becomes a mediocre backup who can at least come in if need be and run to mix it up (or be a gadget player), worst case is he just continues to suck and they let him go and they lose little.