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Yeah, I get that. It’s not a good stat for him. However, I really recommend watching those videos, they’re fun to see and they definitely altered my viewpoint a bit. Look at it this way - I believe a poor oline, run game and receiving weapons lead to Cousins forcing throws. I think you see this in action when you rewatch Doctson’s targets. Explains the stat Cali posted as well. JMO of course.

I’m not going to disagree with you here, but I will say that I watched about 4 available games of all his (googled Doctson targets 2017) and I was surprised to see how many different ways he was used.

I’d rather call up Kidsey/Fields or sign Quick. ST play, selflessness, knowing the O (and qb). They (especially the young guys) also offer more long term, IMO. Now, if Richardson or Doctson were to go out for the year, I could understand signing Dez.

Perhaps the biggest charlatan is our country’s history is sitting in the Oval Office, so I’m not sure ‘drama queen’ is a fair assessment. Speaking of “it’s not just the right”, I was asking my wife something along these lines. Does the Left have a version of Swift Boat? A version of putting up campaign signs made to look like they’re from a candidate (to make them look bad)? Has the Left’s candidates tasked their staffers to get an Independent on the ballot? How about Benghazi? PizzaGate? Those aren’t rhetorical questions. As much as I see the Right constantly/frequently “cheating”, I don’t know if I’m missing the Left doing the same sort of thing. One obvious factor here, it seems like the Right’s base has been conditioned to eat this stuff up, right?. The polls showing how Republican voters changed their ideologies/opinions based on who was in office sure suggest this anyway, and it makes sense considering the popularity of the Hannity’s, Limbaugh’s and O’Reilly’s. They’ve fertilized the ground for those weeds.

I found myself irritated by Danny Rand (and the actor), but then it dawned on me that, to some extent, I was supposed to feel that way. Found I liked him more in the Defensers and then even more in the second Luke Cage. Essentially, his character has evolved, and I think that can be a bit tricky to pull off in this type of show.

You know, your post reminds me that Doctson mostly played without Reed, without a threat opposite him, and with a qb playing behind a poor oline. I think he’ll have a nice season if he stays relatively healthy. Now whether it’s enough to erase concerns of him being a bust, or enough to justify a 1st round pick... I guess we’ll see.

Small sample size, but I found 3 game videos of Doctson’s targets (Saints, Broncos and Cowboys I think), and I didn’t see many, if any, I would really consider a drop. Certainly didn’t notice any egregious, in his hands and lost it type of drops anyway. Definitely a number of close ones though, which explains the catch %. Poor throws, and good defending were the issues I saw. Of course, I don’t know if any were due to lackluster routes. On the flip side, he made a couple/few impressive catches. Other thing I noticed (again, small sample) was a variety of routes, and he had success with all of them - wr screen, crossing route, drag, etc. Didn’t expect that. Not letting me delete the Twitter graphic... I forget, do those count as pics? If so, my apologies.

@BenningRoadSkin Yeah, it wasn’t so much that it was new*, but consolidated and organized. A reminder of just how awful and far reaching this situation is and the lack of hope it can improve. I’m also even more convinced that we won’t have a ‘free and fair’ election this November. * thanks to the awesome work of visionary (and my wife’s obsession with all things politics)

Anyone see Active Measures yet? Man, that was depressing to watch... but well done.

Personally, I’d strongly consider keeping Quinn and Sims. With Sims though, I have no idea how well he runs routes, and how he does vs different coverages. That said, I’ve always been a big advocate for the number 1 backup being a player you trust to start, and the rest of the spots manned by promising developmental guys... not vets who appear to have hit their ceiling.

Only thing I can figure is that they’re worried about the injury histories of Richardson, Doctson (yes, I know he played all 16 last year) and Harris. If they feel Quinn doesn’t fit on the outside and Sims is too raw to count on... Quick becomes the man by default. Now personally, I’d cut Quick and just hope Sims is good enough if we’re hit by injuries (or call up a PS guy or two). I’ll also add that although Quick has not wowed me in any way (except for holding onto that ball in the Seattle game last year), I haven’t been mad at him either. Add in good ST play and blocking, and I can’t say I’m down on the guy. I just like Sims’ and Harris’ upside a bit more. I’d also hold onto Quinn as insurance for Crowder... so I tend to agree with the consensus that Quick should be the odd man out. @bobandweaveTo be fair to Quick, leadership isn’t the same as production.

1. If placed on IR prior to week 1, that player is ineligible to return during the season. So nix that plan, lol. 2. A player must be on IR for 8 weeks before being able to return. 3. You don’t have to designate a player to return - you can see how they recover and bring back any two that you want (as long as you follow the other rules) 4. Don’t know about cutting IR players. I tend to doubt it because IRed players count against the cap, so you couldn’t waive them with an injury settlement. They also don’t count toward the 53 man roster, so being able to cut them wouldn’t seem to make sense. Could be wrong though.

I’m intrigued by this idea. Playing Devil’s Advocate, my main concern would be using IR (designated to return) on a guy that isn’t liable to have too much of an impact (and isn’t irreplaceable), when we might need it for any of our truly good starters that wind up missing time.

@jbird Your question was “why are people enamored with Quinn?”, not “why do people like Quinn better than Sims?”.

I wouldn’t count myself in the group ‘enamored’ with Quinn, but... 1. He offers our best chance at letting Crowder walk next year 2. He might be the best fit as a backup to Crowder this year 3. He’s drawn a lot of praise for his route running (not just in camp) 4. He’s physical and (apparently) loves danger - a bonus for someone catching the ball over the middle 5. He’s got huge mitts 6. He can man PR 7. He’s got ‘pedigree’ 8. We have a relatively weak wr corp, so any dark horse is liable to catch fan’s eyes and hearts 9. Shouldn’t have any real bearing, but he’s Mr. Irrelevant Drop the last two ‘sentimental’ reasons, and there’s still a good deal of upside.

I’m curious why you seem down on Crowder. He played very well his first two years, then had a down year (statistically still pretty good, but had issues with drops and fumbles). But, IIRC, you didn’t watch much last year (his down year)... so again, why so down on him? To be clear, I think letting him walk is the smart move. We have a potential replacement and other priorities money-wise. BTW, thought this was pretty cool, even though it came before the 2017 season. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000776994/article/jamison-crowder-leads-top10-slot-receiver-separation%3fnetworkId=4595&site=.news&zone=story&zoneUrl=url%3Dstory&zoneKeys=s1%3Dstory&env&pageKeyValues=prtnr%3Daround-the-league-t;team%3Dphi;team%3Dmia;team%3Dwas;team%3Ddal;team%3Dmin;team%3Dsea;conf%3Dnfc;conf%3Dafc;dvsn%3Dnce;dvsn%3Dace;dvsn%3Dncn;dvsn%3Dncw;plyr%3Dpierre_garcon;plyr%3Ddesean_jackson;plyr%3Ddrew_brees&p.ct=Next%2bGen%2bStats&p.adsm=true&p.tcm=%23000&p.bgc1m=%23EAEAEA&sr=amp

I do too, because of the potential upside. They’ve got more similarities then I would have first thought though. Yeah, I know Doctson was healthy, but it was an issue and even Gruden seemed a bit frustrated year 1. Hopefully he’s mostly put it behind him. Just to be clear, I don’t hold it against him, but it’s still a lingering concern as of now.

Yeah, that’s a factor I definitely wonder about in regards to Sims. Have no idea of his ST abilities, but he sure has a slight frame for it. If you like a guy’s upside, but no they’re not ready to start... do you waive the “must be good on teams” requisite? And then there’s the fact that I don’t really know what exactly the makeup of ST is. Like, how many of each ‘body type’ do you need? Do we we have enough guys elsewhere on the roster to cover someone in Sims’ situation (if he’s not good on teams)? Does Gruden look at Doctson’s situation (oft injured, entering his 3rd year, somewhat unproven), Harris and Richardson’s injury history and think, “I better hold onto Sims because he has better upside than Quick and I can’t really rely on Crowder or Quinn to play outside”? Interesting situation for sure. @ConnSKINS26While I completely agree, it got me thinking. What is the difference between Quick and Harris? They both know the offense, both have looked good in practice, both had a single fantastic catch last year, neither really contributed last year beyond those catches, both got injured last year, both have good size, and both have had concussions. Oh, and both got ‘beat out’ by Grant, lol. I gotta admit, I hadn’t really looked at it that way before.

Regarding Reed... while my optimism is tempered in terms of health, I think this surgery was huge for him. Won’t change the concussion concerns, but it seems like his multiple leg issues could be behind him as I believe they all stemmed from his toe/foot issue. Love that he’s learned so much about his body and how to care for it. On top of that, I’m guessing his blocking was affected by an inability to push off. Not expecting him to turn into a good blocker, but I could envision fairly serious improvement - like maybe from being a joke to mediocre. As to the pass catchers in general, I like that we have a couple downfield threats, Reed, Crowder (and Harris) in the intermediate level, and Thompson/Guice/Marshall (not to mention Smith’s scrambling) for short stuff. If we can add to those dynamics with some success with wr screens and Doctson/Richardson at the intermediate level, I think this could be an offense well rounded enough to challenge most any defenses. My concerns are 1) Doctson and Richardson performing more like one trick ponies, 2) the middle of our oline (LG/C) allowing pressure, [leading to] 3) Smith taking sacks and hits, and 4) all these guys (particularly those with injury histories) staying healthy - Reed, Thompson, the wrs and the tackles. I think it’s going to be a pretty exciting season.

Purely research purposes.

Nah, it helps keep the dunce cap in place

Lord I hope you’re right.

I think finding out Trump’s support stems from mass hypnosis would be a great development...

@AsburySkinsFan Might have a glitch on your sarcasm meter

Well, I agree except maybe for Davis. When you have a guy with good athletic traits - speed and size - that starts showing progress learning the system, running the routes, etc., then you risk losing him if a team has an injury or two. Davis (again, assuming he’s not looking lost out there) would represent a low risk/(potentially) high reward move.