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Agree about his release, which is what I was alluding to regarding “in time”. I’m not sure I follow the vertical element piece though, what am I missing beyond the combo of speed/quickness (and release)?

Kinda wonder if we’re undervaluing McCaffrey. Just given his size, speed, quickness and hands (including focus and contested catch ability), I’m not sure he couldn’t handle outside receiver duties in time. I know that’s kind of putting the cart before the horse, but still, lot of upside. Add in his experience at qb, the fact he’s still learning the receiver position, having his dad and brother’s influence/experience… lot of intangibles to like/love that should bolster his growth.

I’d add that for this team, and Peters in particular, the post-snap recognition/diagnosis seemed like a major factor. Now given how (relatively) inexperienced Maye is, he’s got the upside to grow in that facet (and others), but not everyone gets there… whereas they seem to believe Jayden has already displayed it.

I too have no idea what’s going on there, but I love the energy and excitement

In his defense, it’s possible the Giants don’t know who the Giants’ QB is yet… 😁

Competition is almost never a bad idea. I think Tress just had a down year, but you never know… I hope he sticks (and bounces back) and gets to fill in his captain “C” (which I never knew about until his jersey announcement on Command Center).

Here’s hoping Sinnot can be our Jason Witten (82)…

A few points… It’s not about being out of shape, it’s about preserving their bodies so they can maintain a high level of play. Maybe it would be helpful to look at it like MLB pitchers on a pitch count - it’s not because they can’t possibly pitch the whole game. It’s not about 1 game, it’s the full season of wear and tear. The backups won’t perform better than the starters, because the idea is having a temporary drop off in play (though ideally you have quality backups to minimize that drop off) so that the starters can better maintain their high level of play. And yes, OCs will try to take advantage, but DCs will also try to account for that. As to the time they’re out there (your 5.5 minutes), I feel like you’re looking at it (too simplistically) as pure energy expenditure, when in reality it’s more like doing your max weight for squats. It’s a lot easier to recover from aerobic than anaerobic, relatively speaking. Don’t know if this helps, but I randomly saw the interview with Ekler on Command Center, and he talked about being fresher as part of a RBBC. Said everyone, even practice squad players’ legs are worn out by the end of the season - months of weights and practice take their toll, and that’s magnified when adding game reps… and that’s even further magnified when you’re in the trenches. I’m not going to assume all coaches inherently now what’s best, and I absolutely applaud you questioning accepted wisdom, but it’s worth considering that this is a collective of strength trainers, position coaches, QC assistants, analytics, nutritionists, the DC, game film, watching practices, etc, arriving at this conclusion. And it’s worth noting that the entire league (and FBS) uses and values DL rotation.

There’s a part of me that wishes we’d just signed Allegretti to a 1 year deal, essentially leaving an opening for Stromberg (or possibly Coleman) to take over at some point this year or next, but 1) it’s quite possible that security is a big part of why he signed here, and 2) if he loses the starting job next year, he’d be a fairly highly paid backup (not egregiously so though), and then carries a dead cap of 2m in ‘26. Maybe it’ll turn out that I’m under-appreciating our DEs, but I wish we had a high quality edge rusher that could really challenge our tackles. Of course our DTs (and blitzing from our backers, etc) should be good preparation for our IOL. I know Howell had his own issues, but the number of times he faced pressure from multiple areas was highly problematic. If I had to guess the floor of this unit compared with last year - moderate step down from Leno to Lucas, small step up from Charles to Allegretti, moderate step up from Gates/Larsen to Biadasz. And then I’d grant them 1) a small step up for (what I presume will be) a more balanced offense, and 2) a small step up from Howell’s slower post-snap reads and EB’s (seeming) lack of catering to personnel to the Daniels/Kingsbury combo. Here’s hoping we exceed that floor though.

Regarding the Coleman pick, seems like the upside is there to become a decent, or even pretty good tackle, and a pretty good to very good G. But I’d also say the floor matters as well. My guess is it’s swing tackle and next man up at G, which is valuable, even if it would be far less than we’re hoping for. As to the philosophy of the pick, along with not addressing OT in the 2nd, I think it’s fair to guess they probably had a grouping of guys at the spot and figured one or more would fall to 67 - some combo of Fisher/Paul/Rosengarten/Suamataia/Coleman/Wallace/Amegadjie/Foster/etc. If that is indeed the case, I think it bolsters the logic of selecting Sainristil and Sinnot. And frankly, even if we’d landed any of those guys in the 2nd, or even traded up for an OT, I still would be nervous about our tackle situation. Zooming out even further, I expected a draft focused on helping Daniels. I was imagining drafting at least one tackle and maybe a 2nd (possibly more of a G/T), a receiver or two (particularly given the depth of the position), maybe/probably a TE, maybe a back, and maybe another IOL. In hindsight though, they… 1) brought back Lucas, which at minimum solves the swing tackle spot, though obviously he’ll compete for the starting gig. 2) signed Allegretti - competition for LG (with Deiter, Stromberg, Paul, Daniels, etc.) 3) signed Deiter - G/C depth (and competition at LG) 4) did a nice job addressing TE with Ertz/Sinnot 5) solidly addressed slot receiver with Crowder/McCaffrey 6) added Ekler, who, while aging, is still (IMO) a quality 3rd down back 7) drafted Coleman 😎signed Biadasz, who is a clear step up from our centers from last year Nothing new there of course, but I thought it worth noting because while it’s not at all a finished product, it certainly appears that they brought in some solid competition (and therefore depth) and some pretty decent pass catchers. Additionally, there’s some versatility as well - they can get a bit creative with how they use Sinnot, McCaffrey and Ekler, and they can shuffle the olineman a bit as needed. All told, in terms of supporting Daniels, I believe they’ve hit on some key areas that typically help young qbs - 1) improving the IOL to prevent some of the quick, in-your-face pressure 2) will be a bit better able to run the ball (and will almost certainly be a lot more balanced than we saw last year) 3) have an OC that is both creative and will cater to his qb to some extent. Being a former qb himself, along with adding Brian Johnson, David Blough and Mariota to the mix should help as well. 4) added some qb friendly pass catchers, particularly safety valve types in Ekler, Ertz, Sinnot, Crowder and McCaffrey. 5) majorly overhauled the defense, and did so in a way that seems to really fit what Whitt is going for. Don’t get me wrong, it’s not all rainbows and potty-trained puppies. Our tackle position is pretty dang scary still, we really need Dotson to step up big time, there’s a lot of cooks in the kitchen on offense (and likely a lot of voices in Daniels’ ear), and it’s hard to be optimistic about Daniels protecting himself. I’m also nervous that Daniels is stepping into a situation where he’s learning a new system (see LSU in ‘22) and, relatively speaking, is going to be playing with an inferior oline and wr group than he’s used to. I do think we’ve made some solid strides in the right direction though, and barring a career ending injury (knock on wood), I expect a bright future for Daniels as they continue making strides in his supporting cast.

Would be ironic if Quinn/Whitt resuscitated Davis and St Juste as it would kind of save that draft class’ grade (along with Forrest and Cosmi). All 3 defensive guys seem like they could be good fits, and landing 4 starter caliber players is typically seen as a success. Of course, I could just as easily envision Davis serving solely as a part timer, and Forrest/St Juste challenge - and quite possibly lose out to - Martin and Davis/Forbes/our UDFAs.

When considering the offseason moves on offense, I have to remind myself we brought back Lucas and Crowder too. Not world beaters obviously, but pretty solid players, especially serving as placeholders for Coleman/McCaffrey.

That would have been a heck of a draft. If our guys work out though (big if obviously), nailing down tackle and TE is much better value IMO, and that’s magnified when you’re fielding a young qb. And of course if Sainristil is as good a slot corner as projected, that also allows Martin to move to FS. I like his chances of success there far more than Butler.

Would be big for us if Rogers can contribute anywhere near what his traits/intangibles suggest is possible. Dang, just noticed he’s a FA after this year.

Not gonna happen obviously, but I’d love for Way to tell him - “you lead us to the playoffs or get a probowl nod, jersey’s yours”

Pretty sure subbing is more often about matchups than trying to be exotic. And I’d think that different packages actually means less info for a player to have learn/retain. As for Newton (and the philosophy around the pick), the combo of BPA, focusing on beefing up the trenches, being able to play all 3 DTs at the same time (at times), keeping your guys on the line fresh, and succession planning (and really, Allen could be traded as soon as this year) make this a pretty savvy pick, IMO. I do get your point though, and all things being equal, it makes sense to prefer a player that will be on the field more often. To me, Sainristil might fit your complaints a bit better (even though I like the pick). Martin performed well in the slot (and St Juste can play there as well) and is only in his second year, so I can understand it feeling more like “we can find ways to get Sainristil in the game” and “we added depth”. Of course, if/when Sainristil gets up to speed, I think the plan might be to have Martin play FS and serve as a chess piece type. As for your point about subbing and energy burned, 1) subs usually occur when an offense subs (and the defense must be given time to sub), and 2) a player that stays in might have to stay in for multiple plays if a team goes to hurry up. Additionally, I’ll share an anecdote - I had one wrestling match in HS and I was mind-numbingly, could barely stand type of exhausted after the 3 minutes. Fast forward 30+ years and me out of shape, I’ve never been that exhausted after playing 2 hours of soccer, running my *** off. It’s just a different animal.

I’m a big time fan of Tress - one of the rare highlights of the team on the field and on top of that, he’s a genuinely kind, funny dude, and entertaining interviewer that owns a board game company. And yet, before the talk started about Daniels’ jersey number, I don’t think I could have told you Way wears #5… Even worse, my wife bought me his jersey for Xmas, lol.

Coleman is going to be interesting for sure. I’m curious about your lack of confidence though - he seems to have some good things going for him - production, size, athleticism. For Sainristil, love everything I’ve heard/seen, but don’t love the value of a slot corner there. As you suggest, if he’s as good as advertised/expected, don’t think we’ll care about draft slot in the end. With McCaffrey, I think him being new to the position makes it hard to know where he’s going to end up as a finished product, but his family pedigree suggests we could see a lot of hard work/improvement from him. His quickness, coupled with solid size (and room to fill out a bit), quality hands, and running ability are a nice baseline of traits. Surprising how many of these guys are relatively new to their positions, and similar to McCaffrey, the combo of intangibles (earning them captaincies) and high end athleticism ups the chances at seeing a good amount of growth from them.

Lead the league in tackles last year, so I’m optimistic about ‘24. Beyond that? Who knows… hopefully he’s able to mentor up Davis and/or Magee.

@The Consigliere Regarding Sinnot, had some thoughts I wanted to run by you. Setting aside his elite explosion and agility scores, good 40 time, 19% market share, leading his team in receiving yards and ypc… I feel like it’s important to consider the TE position itself. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that most of the top teams have studs at the position (KC, SF, PHI, BAL), and I think there’s a reason Eugen Shen sees the position as an analytic advantage. The draft also had some quality depth at db and receiver, and while there were some interesting (lower ranked) TEs remaining as well, none in the mold of Sinnot - tons of blocking experience, highly athletic, lines up all over, legitimate receiving chops, a focal point of the offense, durable, and fairly young. And of course, we have very little at the position and it’s the “security blanket” position for a qb, particularly a young one. Lastly, and I could be way wrong about this, but it feels like TEs have been going a bit higher recently.

Yeah, I’m pretty much with you here, though I’d lean towards 6-8 wins as most likely. This team is going through a sea change though, so I can’t say I’d be shocked by 4 or 5 wins, or by 9 or 10 wins. Personnel-wise, barring injury, I think the notable (potential/likely) negative changes are Leno to Lucas/Coleman, Curl to Chinn, and Fuller to Forbes (or whoever). I think the FO has improved the DEs, the DT rotation, RB, IOL, probably TEs, and greatly improved our linebacker group. QB is the big question mark. Depth is mostly better across the board. I believe the top level changes will have the greatest impact - better position coaches, having a clear philosophy, greater maturity/leadership, culture turnaround (yes, I went there, lol). Not sure about whether our schemes will be improved, but I’m confident we’ll run an offense that is more balanced, caters to personnel better, and overall takes pressure off our young qb. Defensively, I think we’ll see a lot of improvement in communication and in terms of everyone knowing their role.

Probably gonna sound like an old kermudgin, but I’ll be honest, my first thought after reading your statement was “A baby in college? That’s not necessarily great…”, but wow, he absolutely lights up talking about her. Great stuff.

Had the exact same experience with my wife. They get me every year, lol

Beyond athletic scores and captaincy, borrowing a term from Hoffman, there’s a lot of position versatility with this group. I expect we’ll see the most dynamism from Sinnot and McCaffrey, but a lot of these guys can play in different spots. Random draft factoid - how strange that we drafted 2 owls

I’d be curious to either watch, or see some grades from any games he played against NFL talent over the last two years.