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This is crazy but hear me out: Patriots want Maye and have a draft day deal worked out with Commanders. Assuming Caleb goes 1, Commanders swap picks with Pats and Pats take Maye and sit him for a year. We get Patriots 2nd rounder and take Daniels. Wouldn’t be my preference, but interesting. Could work because you can actually trust Pats and Commanders since it’s one pick. Commanders could even take Maye and then trade him for pick 3 and second rounder. But there are a bunch of running QB backups out there. Tyrod Taylor, Mariotta, Tannehill, etc. Why take a pure pocket guy? You can’t have two totally different offenses. To me, this says they like Maye or someone like Penix.

Yeah but I feel like it’s a totally different skill set from Daniels to Brissett. Change the offense next year? If it’s Maye it’s fine, but they can’t know that for sure. Maybe they really like JJ or something. I’m not sure they go QB at 3.

Unless Maye is so absurdly better than Howell in camp that it’s just ridiculous I would have Howell start first month or so for oline to gel regardless.

The Lions are trading a 2024 third-round pick in exchange for Tampa Bay Buccaneers cornerback Carlton Davis and two sixth-round picks, league sources told The Athletic. The deal provides immediate help at cornerback, giving the team a starting-caliber option as free agency kicks off. I would have been in on that.

For real. Draft some mid rounders to develop also but need great players.

https://x.com/JosinaAnderson/status/1767287561897000964?s=20 we are sniffing around Ekeler from LAC. Only 28 and would be great complement at RB.

I love that Kirk got the bag. QBs are still underpaid when you consider how important they are for team success, how marketable they are for teams, and how important they are for the NFL product. In a fair world, they would have a percentage of ownership interest and be paid twice what they make now, IMO. Imagine if all the starting QBs went on strike? The NFL product would be brutal. It would look like the XFL. As far as the draft, Minnesota is in dire straights and may look to trade up for a QB. Atlanta now out of the QB run in the first. The firefighters tried enlisting Drake Maye to throw a football at him to knock him down, and every pass missed. JJ McCarthy was brought in but couldn’t throw a pass because Harbaugh wasn’t there to call a play, and he couldn’t audible. Just a tragedy.

Not sure if you’re just being purposefully obtuse, or you don’t watch much sports. He looks like a ****ing cornerback, he’s not 215. He’s not 210. He played close to 200, maybe 205. He’s not big, at all. Now we can argue about how weight doesn’t matter, which is cool, but there is no way he is adequate/average QB weight. If he was, he would have weighed in.

Yeah, it’s going to come down to what he wants because the money will be huge from anyone. Does he want to play for DQ, who he has said he loves? Or stay in Dallas (they ****ed up big time screwing him out of 3 mil, that’s bush league). Or play for his hometown team? If they FT him he will probably play hardball, especially if they try and say he’s a off the ball LB vs a QB hunting pass rusher. If I was his agent I would tell him to sit out the season and not play on the tag. Frankly, I think the NFLPA will back him hard and it may go to arbitration. This is a 100% a hill to die on for them and for him. He’s one of the best players in the league and if you let teams play **** you games with him, all players are subject to contract games on the tag.

LSU has a pretty good weight program… It’s not a lack of will, I just think he’s built like a CB and is a hard gainer. He’s just not going to carry a lot of weight on a narrow frame.

I don’t think so. I mean, at his age I wouldn’t expect his arm to improve all that much and I don’t think his frame will let him put on much weight, if any. And I think his arm is good. The bigger concern is that I can’t think of a single QB who has weighed 205 or less that has stayed healthy and had a solid career. Whatever he weighs at, unless he runs also, subtract 10 pounds and that’s his playing weight. He’s been bulking up as much as he can the last few weeks.

Interesting point, thanks. I tend to agree that FA QB list is eh, and I’d rather roll with 2 QBs. If they both get hurt it’s going to be a terrible season (but high draft pick) anyway.

Potential backup QB fits (assuming some air raid/spread principles: Colt McCoy (if he isn’t retired) Gardner Minshew Case Keenum Kyle Allen Mason Rudolph Kyle Trask (trade) any I’m missing?

I was more concerned with the weight, if he’s 6’2.5-6’3 that’s fine. If he’s 200, that’s not.

I’m prepared to eat crow, but I think Daniels is CB sized at his pro day and he isn’t going in the top 3. Take a look at the photo at Heisman ceremony. Penix is 6.2 and a half, 216. He looks bigger than Daniels.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/drake-maye-was-his-authentic-self-at-the-combine-and-the-nfl-liked-it/ar-BB1jkoag

Giants would be a sneaky good fit because he can take less money (still paid by Denver) and Giants are stuck with Daniel Jones contract. Giants aren’t a bad roster either. Pittsburgh would be a better football fit though, IMO. Not sure if his wife and Russ want to live in Pittsburgh, though.

Should we be in on Justin Simmons? GMAP drafted him in Denver and he’s a stud. I hope we have one big $ signing like him or Hunter.

Who is better Biadasz (DQ familiar) or Mitch Morse (Bobby Johnson coached)?

I think they mean “safe” as in “conventional” he looks the part of an NFL QB but actually isn’t that good. I don’t agree, I think he looks the part because he is a young, NFL QB with potential all pro upside.

If a player is a potential starting QB, which Maye and Daniels both are, it’s not a reach. There is no magical player worthy of #2 that is a better prospect AND his play will elevate others and effect the team as much as a QB. This isn’t some trash QB class and we are taking a QB just to take one.

More than anything, offense (which is heavily dependent on good QB play) is so disproportionately tied into winning in today’s NFL. It’s seen in the playoff teams each year and the superbowl champion is a team with an elite QB. It’s been YEARS since a defensive team won a SB with average QB play. Probably 20 years. We’ve had average QBs get hot like Foles and a aged Manning who won while not playing superb ball physically (still a HOF processor though). These are the outliers. In light of this, is it fair to say offense is more than 50% related to team success? 60% offense, 10% ST, 30% defense? It’s a different game than than the 90’s for sure. How much is offensive success tied to QB play? It has to be over 50% because great QBs can make the rest of the offense good even when the weapons and oline are average. The reverse is not true, if it’s poor QB play the offense fails. It doesn’t matter the weapons or the oline. If you accept my premise (and if you don’t, I’d love to hear alternatives) If QB is 50% offensive success, oline protection/scheme is 30%, and weapons are 20%, how can we not take that into account in the draft? If a QB accounts for 30% of team success, more than any other position or player, by far, how can you possibly justify foregoing QB (or finding lesser, cheaper QBs) to “build the rest of the roster”?

It was pretty interesting when they showed him in the gauntlet drill- he was running straight on the line, plucking the ball with great hands and ran the drill significantly faster than other guys (they had his time clocked, I forget). He’s obviously not blazing fast but some guys just aren’t great at running a 40. He’s fast enough I think.

I get it. It wouldn’t be my preference, but if you signed Baker to a 3 year deal and then drafted a in the middle rounds to develop QB, inject the roster with talent, we would be super competitive short term and long term. But I think these are blue chip QBs, so I wouldn’t do it. I honestly do trust GMAP and if he isn't sold on a QB at 2 I’ll trust the process.

What do you guys think of Patrick Paul, OT? Worthy of our 2nd?