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I’m a Maye guy (better tools, better breakout age, better frame, equal intangibles) but I could see them favoring Daniels if they want to utilize the RB in the passing game more. I know KK did that a lot and Maye has a lot of unforced errors (not pressure related) on these swing routes to the RB. Daniels has better touch and overall accuracy (except for his deep ball which can be underthrown) and a quicker release (physically, when he trusts what he sees). 

If we want to attack more intermediate slants, crosser,etc or go deep more Maye would be a better fit.

And I understand the valid criticism that when pressured Daniels looks to run but when he isn’t pressured he quickly goes through reads and delivers an accurate throw on time when he isn’t pressured. 

Maye’s misses can’t be explained by pressure alone, because a lot of the errant throws come on the quick throws.

If we pass on Maye for Daniels, I don’t foresee the Vikings taking Maye. I think they want Daniels or JJ. I don’t think Maye is a great fit for what they want to do, despite the familiarity with coaching staff. Maye is the anti-Cousins (good and bad). Maye is more off schedule ala Favre, Russell, Josh Allen. 

9 minutes ago, method man said:

The issue I have with D Robinson is isn’t he just the same type of DE we have three times over already in Armstrong, Ferrell and Obada? If we get a DE, I’d rather try to get the explosive type who can win quick

This is a fair point but the other side of that is if that’s the type of DE we want and our plan is to generate pass rush from LBs than wouldn’t you want guys to fit that vision who are younger, cheaper, and better upside than Armstrong, Ferrell, and Obada? It’s drafting for 1-2 years down the line.

Yeah I’m not sure how you can come to a conclusion that Jayden did well in his interviews/visit.

I mean, they may love his game so much they take him anyway but there is too much smoke.

2 minutes ago, The Consigliere said:

Why do you think I flush all the mechanics and footwork ---- down the toilet? You can also tell when reading the takes, which people are just looking at clips from 2023, it's patently obvious. Far too many of these guys simply look at last season, which is just, utterly bizarre to me. 

The obsession with footwork is weird, because it gets double counted with timing/accuracy. If a guy has great footwork that usually makes him be in time and more accurate. But if a guy is really accurate with poor footwork, that tells me he can get even better with some slight modifications. 
 

I also think the ability to be accurate with poor footwork (throwing off balance or with pressure and can’t step into it for example) is actually a positive.

1 hour ago, Going Commando said:

This is my OT position ranking.  Not all of these guys are going to be on my top 100, but it will only be a couple that get left off.  Everyone already knows this, but my position rankings made it clear to me that WR and OT are the two strongest and deepest positions in this year's class.  Some of the others won't yield 20 draftable players, much less 20 worthy of going in the top 100.

 

1 - Taliese Fuaga
2 - Olu Fashanu
3 - JC Latham
4 - Kingsley Suamataia
5 - Joe Alt
6 - Amarius Mims
7 - Graham Barton
8 - Troy Fautanu
9 - Jordan Morgan
10 - Kiran Amegadjie
11 - Patrick Paul
12 - Blake Fisher
13 - Caedan Wallace
14 - Roger Rosengarten
15 - Tyler Guyton
16 - Isaiah Adams
17 - Ethan Driskell
18 - Javon Foster
19 - Dominick Puni
20 - Christian Jones

Thanks for putting this together.

I’m not sure if you have heard this, but a few sources said that Kingsley S. transferred back to BYU because he missed home.

Being that he is only 21, there was concern that he may not be ready to be a pro and start on his own in a new city, etc.

If he slips in the draft that’s likely why, and I don’t really want another Docston situation.

Just food for thought.

From Mark Bullock Q and A (he said he likes all of them and could make a case for each but then said the following):

“But I know you don't want the political answer so where I'm at after re-watching these guys again recently - Caleb Williams is still in a tier of his own. But next I would have Jayden Daniels, then JJ McCarthy and Drake Maye last. 

Going back and watching these guys again, it reminded me of just how electric Jayden Daniels was and just how often he made incredible plays, both with his arms and his legs. I've also recently seen passing maps with Kyler Murray under Kliff in Arizona, and you can see how Kliff developed Kyler. He was an electric running threat that threw a great deep ball and attacked more outside the numbers rather than the middle of the field, which is similar in style to Jayden right now. In those passing charts you can see in year one for Kyler, they mainly drew things up to play to his strengths, attack down the field and outside the numbers. But in year two and particularly year three, Kliff developed him into being able to attack the middle of the field and intermediate areas far more often before Kyler unfortunately suffered that big injury. So I think Kliff has a track record for developing that type of play-style, which makes Jayden the best fit for him. 

But I can just as easily see them liking McCarthy or Maye more, because those guys play more in the style the Kliff used in 2022, which was attacking over the middle more off play-action. That's what Kliff was working towards with Kyler before he got hurt.”

3 minutes ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said:

I’m with you. I try to double up at WR when I’m playing around with the mock simulator.

Yeah I’ve doubled up on OT (assuming one or both can play guard) and/or WR (one being more of a slot and the other bigger or an X and a Z, etc. 

I think CB is also a huge need. We may not have a single CB on the roster that is a scheme fit.

12 minutes ago, e16bball said:

Do you think Powers-Johnson would not be able to play LG?

 

I think a guy with his size and strength is more than capable of playing guard. Which he did in college, incidentally, during his sophomore.

 

For me, if either of those guys makes it to 36, they’re the starting LG next season — and eventually taking over the C spot from Biadasz. 
 

I do agree about Frazier, though. He’s a bit more of a fire hydrant, I see him more as center only.

I assumed Powers Johnson was solid 1st but yeah he would be also.

Would be perfect because they could probably earn LG spot as rookie and then take over for Badisz in a few years.

34 minutes ago, skinny21 said:

We’re either lacking or have question marks at FS, OT and corner.

2 of our DEs, 2 of our backers, our top TE, and our SS (or whatever Chinn’s going to play) are on one year deals.  Guard is interesting, especially with Cosmi set to hit FA next year.

While DE is the more important position (especially financially), the idea of drafting a backer to learn behind Wagner is super appealing, and that (to me) is a spot where picking up another 3rd or a 4th can have an impact.  Similar with TE.  And both are positions that seem to often have a bit of a learning curve.

 

Of course, I’m a big proponent of taking advantage of deep position in a draft class.  So for me, it’s wr, corner and OT (like you said), plus DE.

 

Yeah, the Frazier pick in particular is an odd one.

Yeah the only C I’m drafting that early is Graham Barton because he can play LG easily

40 minutes ago, MrJL said:

is 1.5 sacks in 118 snaps decent?

Were those 118 snaps special teams included or just as a pass rusher? I don’t recall him playing that much.

1 minute ago, Dah-Dee said:

I thought it was interesting during the press conference today that both Newmark and Peters talked about working together for the first time and figuring out what works and what doesn't during this pre-draft process. Might be the closest we get to an admission that the Top Golf Test with 4 blue chip QB prospects the week before the draft maybe wasn't the best idea lol.

I don’t think they were referring to that, they both seemed to reflect positively on it.

I think it was more general.

Also, I was impressed by Lance. GMAP is always impressive too.

18 minutes ago, redskinss said:

He was?

I don't recall him being anything more than a jag.

I remember him flashing as a situational pass rusher. 

25 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

Nabors is fantastic and is an elite prospect. But Harrison is truly generational. He's as slam dunk as it gets. He's on par with Fitzgerald in 2004 as far as certainty goes. Only WR I'd rank higher in the last ~20 years is Megatron.

I think the appeal or MHJr is is floor is really high (starting WR) but Nabors might end up the better overall player in the NFL. He has more juice.

24 minutes ago, illone said:

 

 

This is false, this pick dos not require ANY consensus, especially from outside the building. Adam Peters can make the pick with or without it.

There is no way GMAP talks about collaboration with the Head coach and then makes his QB pick with no input. Convincing him to like the guy he likes? Maybe. But he’s not saying **** you I’m taking who I want. Be serious.

I’ve warmed up a lot to Daniels after watching all the throws. I think less of his deep ball but more of his ability to dump it off quick and go through reads. Also, his ability to take yards running and get out of bounds.

I prefer Maye, but Daniels could be really good. I think Dak level good.

Maye is the guy that could be a top 5 player though, and less of an injury risk too.

3 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

Its just classic overthinking/prospect fatigue. Same thing happened with Justin Herbert. 

Yeah Herbert was “not a leader” and not an “alpha” and other dumb stuff.

6 minutes ago, MartinC said:

 

Then he's in the wrong job.

 

The more likely explanation is people are reading WAY to much into all this.

 

When is the draft again? roll on ..

I don’t understand- do you think he had another intent? 
 

Was it a just a mistake on the agent to like a critical point about potential employer?

I acknowledge it means nothing if we think he’s the better player, we can take him regardless.

1 minute ago, JamesMadisonSkins said:

JD's agent never clarified as far as I can see, but one of his liked tweets after the post was from a Commanders fan basically saying don't read into the comment, and the agent was likely taking issue with Florio's take on the visit. 

 

To me that makes it a nothingburger, but it could also be the agent trying to cover his tracks while also creating fodder if there was an actual intent to drive Daniels elsewhere. Hard to say.

It’s definitely possible his agent is stupid, sloppy, and bad at communicating. 

I thought the first retweet was borderline but the second one? 
 

Either the Agent is a moron (unlikely) or he’s doing his best to alienate Commanders and avoid Jayden going to Washington.

Why? Jayden clearly wants to go to a coaching staff that believes in him and wants him. He wants to go to Las Vegas to be with AP, that relationship has already been discussed.
 

I don’t know if Patriots are a means to that end or he likes the fit and wooing from Pats.
 

Also, possible Giants, Vikings, or team like Denver has communicated to agent their desire to trade up and Commanders have essentially closed the door on a trade down that far (rightfully so).

This is all speculation but it’s grounded in logic. 
 

Will this matter if GMAP believes Daniels is far and away the best QB? No, we pick him regardless and he sucks it up and it’s over by May. But for a group that seems to value buy in and relationship building it would be a strange outcome.

Yeah, I mean why would Jayden prefer New England so strongly? It has to be that they showed him the love and he’s excited about the fit and coaching staff.

We have done a great job of not leaking our intentions. Just keep it up, talk up Jayden some more, and bait them into it.

I’m starting to think we end up trading 2 for 3 and get Maye and a 3rd plus. 
 

If reporting is right, Pats want Daniels bad. 

1 minute ago, CapsSkins said:

Neither here nor there, but here's a tweet from Jayden's agent from two weeks ago lol

 

 

Guy seems like a total horse’s ass

I’m not sure if Jayden is a good golfer but I know Maye is. Probably didn’t do well. Combine that with being super competitive, coming from Giants and Patriots who told him he’s the best QB ever and they want him, he thinks the whole thing is stupid. Visit went downhill from there.

But that’s just one way it could have happened..

I bet the Patriots told Jayden he would be the pick at 3 and they believe in him. They probably told Drake Maye the same thing (why not?)

So, when you contrast that with going to top golf with 20 people, it’s certainly possible he’s annoyed at the Commanders process and told his agent as much.

I don’t want to make too much of this but some thoughts:

1. Agent posting that is unprofessional as it could be prejudicial for his client to the future employer. No one wants to hear that their process is stupid.

2. Totally possible this is coming from agent alone, HOWEVER- doubtful he posts this if Jayden said, “I loved top golf, hanging with other players, and my interviews went phenomenally.”

3. Assuming Agent’s like isn’t on his own, and that it’s parroting Jayden we can assume either Jayden didn’t like the format, didn’t feel as if he did well, or isn’t excited about idea of going to Washington.

Apparently Jayden Daniels’ agent liked a tweet criticizing the Commanders visit format (multiple players together for visit). Could be nothing, could be that Jayden didn’t like how visit went.

It would be strange for his agent to criticize the team that is going to draft him…

1 minute ago, Going Commando said:

What's the response going to be from everyone if we draft Jayden and he ends up being the next Justin Fields, and Drake Maye ends up being the next Josh Allen?

I’ll be apoplectic. The same way I would feel if we took Maye and he turned into bad Carson Wentz, or a less athletic, more inconsistent Trevor Lawrence and Jayden Daniels ends up being Joe Burrow with wheels.

I guess we will just have to see how it goes. Both could fail miserably.