nonniey

You think he will un-retire the name? I wish I had that kind of optimism.

Rumor Intelligence (RUMINT) is a core feature of this board.

Well there goes a couple (few) of billion dollars.

Given what is being targeted now even 1500 teams wouldn't enough (Not by a 10th).

You kind of proved my point.

You guys ares still missing the point - It wasn't even confederate stuff I was talking about - I'm pointing out the Jacobin inclinations that have taken control off much of the protest and this board.

Hey, I guess the Whitney Plantation should be added to your the lists. You all are missing the point of why it was preserved and are acting like a bunch of Jacobins.

""where you come dangerously close to flirting with 'white power' Ahh - the old accusation of racism move huh? Other times in history you'd have been saying I've come dangerously close to wrecking. You have joined the US equivalent of a struggle session (Look it up). Think you may have gone off track here we were discussing historical artifacts where events actually occurred vice putting up monuments to celebrate individuals defending slavery.

Yes, you can move artifacts and sometimes you have too, but they are more effective as historical artifacts in the place they were used (The whippings happened at that location and it would give added context to people viewing the post). I don't like the thinking that has people believing that this was an insult minorities to leave it in place, when the exact opposite is the case.

Oh probably for the same reason the Andersonville and Alcatraz prisons are still around, the execution block in the Tower of London is still around (as are the Tower's torture equipment), the Auschwitz and Dachau concentration camps are still around. There is a difference between monuments and artifacts. It's a pretty minor artifact but I don't like the thinking that went into removing it. It wasn't a celebration or a tribute to previous punishment, it was an artifact that showed what had been done.

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https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/06/andrew-sullivan-you-say-you-want-a-revolution.html You Say You Want a Revolution? By Andrew Sullivan ".......The movement’s destruction of even abolitionist statues, its vandalism of monuments to even George Washington, its crude demonization of figures like Jefferson, its coerced public confessions, its pitiless wreckage of people’s lives and livelihoods, its crude ideological Manichaeanism, its struggle sessions and mandated anti-racism courses, its purging of cultural institutions of dissidents, its abandonment of objective tests in higher education (replacing them with quotas and a commitment to ideology), and its desire to upend a country’s sustained meaning and practices are deeply reminiscent of some very ugly predecessors......"

There are three of us that work together on a contract - one Trump voter/supporter who thinks Trump is not as bad as the left claims him to be (He also concedes that Trump is not a conservative), one never-Trumper and one Dem (Actually is part of the Kelley campaign). I have another acquaintance who worked in the same building who always asked me if I changed my mind because of all the great things Trump has done, - there is a distinct difference between the 1st guy and the last (the majority of Trump voters are of the 1st variety - they are still wrong about him but are not cultish). These cultish guys actually hate Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham nevermind the Haley's, Martha McSallys and Collinses. The Republican party is in serious trouble because of Trump and he will be handing the country over to the Dems this fall and it may be a while before they can recover. In effect Trump in 2016 was the best thing that could have happened for the Democratic Party.

Some of them honestly think he is great - it is cult like.

Just watched Da Bloods. Pretty disappointing given Lee's previous work. Predictable and amateurish, something you might see from a first time director and script writer. Acting didn't help either. It's a long and boring movie that the wife and I gave up on before the end.

More insanity. https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2020/06/24/arrest-then-statue-lake-how-madison-protests-unfolded/3248894001/ Hans Christian Heg was an abolitionist who died trying to end slavery. What to know about the man whose statue was toppled in Madison...... https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/wisconsin/2020/06/24/hans-christian-hegs-abolitionist-statue-toppled-madison-what-know/3248692001/

Ok you gotta give credit where credit is due some Trumpkin came up with this previously with Trump as the statues. Really a reflection that they are more interested in sticking fingers in eyes (triggering) than anything else (it is not unique to them unfortunately).

If this is turns out to be the case then it implies a vaccine will be ineffective (not sure if they have ever developed an effective vaccine for any other corona virus type). Antibody levels in recovered COVID-19 patients decline quickly: research. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-antibody-idUSKBN23T1CJ

****ty General? You don't know much about the Civil War do you? As for ****ty President a lot of the criticisms were derived from the Lost cause movement (Although yes corruption was present).

Majority-minority? The term your were looking for is plurality.

McDonogh was both opposed to slavery and the largest purchaser of slaves in the anti-bellum South (about 1200). His sole purpose for buying slaves was to acquire a fortune so he could educate them (which was illegal) free them and then repeat. He didn't use the money on himself and when he died he left his fortune to establish schools for poor children of all races. I guess he could have spent all his money on buying and freeing a handful of slaves at the beginning instead off the 1200 he did free over his lifetime. You are quibbling over the tactics he used in opposing slavery. I would call him a good man - his statue should not have been torn down. (I'd say he was the Oskar Schindler of the anti-bellum south).

You learn something new everyday.

You don't see an echo of Schindler in a slave owner that bought slaves to make money, not for his own benefit, but in order to free them and educate them (the latter breaking the law) ?

Different subject but in the same general theme here is another memorial some in this threads reasoning would justify tearing down. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/schindlers-factory-holocaust-memorial-180961059/

This should help you. https://www.wsj.com/articles/get-ready-for-the-struggle-session-11552003346