KDawg

I’m close. I’m an oddball… kind of. My preference considering JUST current ability: 1. Daniels 2. McCarthy 3. Maye My preference weighing ALL things: 1. Maye/McCarthy 2. Daniels I keep coming back to the thought, though, that we are out on Penix due to durability concerns. And, to be fair, he’s shown them. Repeatedly. But we (online community, not ES necessarily) don’t weigh Daniels potential health (not just his size, but how he takes hits…) the same. Someone could say Daniels is more elusive… but… is he? Penix is fast as hell. The only reason I can think of that we are all throwing Penix to the wind is he has very recently shown he gets banged up… and has been banged up in the past, too. But Penix is a guy that could be a real good QB… and it could happen quick. I think we’re going to find McCarthy/Penix we’re slept on a little and the top three were slightly overrated in the end. I’m not saying we’d re-rank them or anything to that extent. But wouldn’t be surprised if that happened.

My take has been well established, I think, but drafting Daniels and trading back up for Patrick Paul would make my draft night feel… not as happy as I’d like. JD I’m “okay” with. His upside is fantastic. Can live with it even if I don’t outright love it. The potential is there. But trading back up for Paul rubs me the wrong way.

If he doesn’t hit, I’m not sure that disqualifies virtual QB training… if he busts it’s almost certainly because he weighs less than a large wet beach towel. 32!? Back in my day I walked uphill to school in snow storms and we studied in text books! Damn whipper snapper. I bet you never had to deal with dialup internet to game, either!

I’m not sure who the top guy is or what tea leaves he’s reading But clearly Maye puts ketchup on steak. And therefore cannot be trusted.

And you shouldn’t get it out of your head. It’s a real, substantiated concern. I can’t shake Daniels looking like he weighs 185 lbs.

Yeah, I got a ton of flack for that post from people. My stance hasn’t changed, but I have come around on Maye. With his issue being footwork related, that is highly coachable. Of course, that doesn’t guarantee success. But, it increases the probability. When his mechanics are clean he looks phenomenal. He just breaks down mechanically and it really effects him. Coachable issues have a higher increased chance of being corrected that physical issues.

I wouldn't say that I don't. He's a GM of a football team. I'd say that he can get things wrong and others can get them right...

For the record, anyone who uses the phrase "film watchers" should be ignored.

I don’t, necessarily. The best get it wrong and a blind squirrel finds a nut. I currently trust that we have a plan. I think putting it on someone so much that we think he can see the future is unhealthy.

Nope. GC is the final piece. If he flips the stars align and we 100% take Penix.

I do. But no. Not him, either. None of these guys feel pressure and slide around. Daniels gets out of the way relatively well but he definitely prefers to break the pocket rather than navigate it. Williams navigates it well but he holds the ball for a quarter century. Maye does NOT navigate the pocket well at all consistently. The guy sacks himself like Howell did at times. And, like Howell, sometimes moves and slides and navigates it well. I don’t know that JJ has the sample size…

Well, that’s not Maye or Daniels.

I’m not comfortable with Daniels because I am terrified of the RG3 scenario. It’s not rational. It’s not a guarantee. The past doesn’t dictate the future. I don’t particularly want Daniels. But holy **** if he’s healthy he has such a high end potential that I am 100% willing to wait it out and see what happens. I’m weary of Maye, too. But his physical tools are traditionally along the lines of how the top quarterbacks are built. Tradition doesn’t mean all. I’m more comfortable with McCarthy than both but you don’t pick comfort at 2. You swing. if we were going McCarthy you have to move back to 4ish. But I’m not sure why Arizona would come up so it’s kind of a moot point.

Mild curiosity… People who are in the Jayden Daniels camp and can’t fathom why anyone would be worried: Can you not see people’s concerns with Daniels? And those of you in the Maye camp: Can you not see Daniels potential? I feel like these things get ignored in this convo when people are all in for one or the other.

I mean, it could. But he can’t pack on considerable mass anyways. 10-15 lbs seems like a lot but over his entire body shouldn’t screw with throwing mechanics too much. The dude has ALOT of room to grow.

I haven’t seen many people really change their stances on these guys. The knocks/positives are all the same. They haven’t changed one bit. Preferences have, but no new info has really come out aside from Daniels agent being an agent of chaos. Maye: big, strong, fast, athletic, strong arm. Sloppy/happy feet, sacks himself, mechanics cause accuracy issues Daniels: Fast, athletic, baseline to a bit better NFL arm, high end production, clean mechanics. Frail (this is a really big knock), game is reliant on speed which makes bulking up a lot more complicated, agent says stupid ****. McCarthy: good across the board but master of nothing, athletic, fast, protects himself, has the most experience as it pertains to various forms off offense (gun, under, etc), reports indicate his teammates would run through a wall for him. He didn’t throw much, Michigan leaned on strong running game and not him, didn’t need to come up clutch most of the time, doesn’t have the same perceived ceiling as the others. Williams: Athletic, absolute monster of a playmaker, good arm, has faced a lot of adversity at USC, good athlete. Holds the ball too long, quirky dude, doesn’t handle adversity well outwardly (not a personal issue, we’re all different, but how does a locker room respond?) and he’s shorter than the rest. Nothing has changed. With any of them.

The power of hopefulness. It's a tale as old as time and one that, quite frankly, we can all learn and grow from. Let me try: The CommandSkins have been good the last 30 years!!! Nope. Didn't work.

I hope, if all of this smoke is fire, that you're going to survive this.

McCarthy likely isn’t available at 13.

It’s tricky. He’s a mid 20’s male athlete who has had top flight nutritionists available to him since at least 2018. Adding muscle mass is doable, and adding it gradually will help, but it’s tricky. Some guys put on weight and lose a lot of their quickness, even if the speed remains. Some do it so we’ll you barely notice. He certainly can add good weight to his frame. He has the room for it. But he has to be careful. The reason he’s so highly touted is his ability to make plays with his legs. His smart move is to slowly fade away from being a runner - stop me if you’ve heard that from someone before - and become a bit bigger and a pocket passer. That increases his longevity tenfold. But that transition should really be through his rookie contract. The discipline to do that is… not common. And he’s had the opportunity to do it while in college and hasn’t. I don’t know. I keep coming back to the “well, if he’s healthy you’re going to be so happy they picked him” and it’s reassuring as hell. Until the cynical side of my brain says, “ya, but what if he’s not?”

It’s going to be Daniels. And I’m going to need to constantly reassure myself that we didn’t pass on quarterbacks that can survive and that Daniels isn’t necessarily RG3. that's my biggest hang up and as we get closer I like the idea less and less. My mantra will be, “just think what he can do if he’s healthy, just think what he can do if he’s healthy…”

I read this post three times. I’m still not sure what it says. It’s a name. C’mon man, keep up.

I think our lack of maturity, quite frankly, is appalling.

I don’t care what he says. I don’t even listen to the pressers. I don’t listen to in season pressers, really, either. It’s all bull****. They are not open and honest. And a lot of sound bites are taken out of context. Every once in awhile someone says something out of frustration or pure stupidity. I prefer to not give a **** what any of them say… because if I was them I wouldn’t tell anyone ****.

To be fair, given the great “trade back vs. AP said we won’t so we won’t” debate of April ‘24… I don’t care what Peters said. Nothing… NOTHING*… any of these guys say right now should be taken at face value. Even if it’s true. *-the exception is when your HC/GM is Ron Rivera