KDawg

There hasn't been a single thing in the process that we have been exposed to... (that's the key, by the way... because we see a tiny fraction of it) that I have been impressed with.

He looks so skinny. *sigh*

I’ve heard this before. You’re not the only one to suggest it. But I don’t like it. You don’t draft a QB every year. You’re not in position and it’s really a bad way to support a QB. That works if you hit on a late rounder. Otherwise I think that philosophy is highly flawed. You have to develop them. Four years. Like college. And then go from there. Sometimes you may need to let them go ahead of time. Sometimes they may “transfer” elsewhere. But four years.

Pre draft show... Malik Nabers with Cam Newton... Nabers seemed like he was high as hell.

As we get closer I am feeling more and more gunshy with Daniels. One stellar season feels Kenny Picketish... and I really, really didn't like Pickett. His frame is an issue. It just is. I stand by what I've been saying for months, I do have some excitement over the fact that his ceiling is CLEARLY through the roof. Absolutely sky high. So while I am becoming more and more apprehensive, part of me is excited to see if he manages to stay healthy and grow. If he does, we're going to be really happy for a long time. But... ya. Apprehensive as hell right now.

Hey guys, I know this is crazy... So I apologize. Instead of debating whether mock drafts are right, wrong or somewhere in between... we could wait 8 hours and find out for sure. In the meantime, let's all post entertaining stuff for Sacks N Stuff to post about. I'll start: Rumor has it that Jayden Daniels has the ability to morph into other anthropomorphic organisms and he does random goofy things... Here is he is in action:

I wouldn't be depressed. I agree that JD absolutely has the highest bust potential. I'd say Penix is there as well and both for the same reason: availability concerns. But from an expectation:bust ratio, JD is the leader in the clubhouse. But I think he may also have the absolute highest ceiling of all the QBs, including Williams. I'm not sure I'd take him, but I get it. IF he hits, we're in REAL good shape.

I’m close. I’m an oddball… kind of. My preference considering JUST current ability: 1. Daniels 2. McCarthy 3. Maye My preference weighing ALL things: 1. Maye/McCarthy 2. Daniels I keep coming back to the thought, though, that we are out on Penix due to durability concerns. And, to be fair, he’s shown them. Repeatedly. But we (online community, not ES necessarily) don’t weigh Daniels potential health (not just his size, but how he takes hits…) the same. Someone could say Daniels is more elusive… but… is he? Penix is fast as hell. The only reason I can think of that we are all throwing Penix to the wind is he has very recently shown he gets banged up… and has been banged up in the past, too. But Penix is a guy that could be a real good QB… and it could happen quick. I think we’re going to find McCarthy/Penix we’re slept on a little and the top three were slightly overrated in the end. I’m not saying we’d re-rank them or anything to that extent. But wouldn’t be surprised if that happened.

My take has been well established, I think, but drafting Daniels and trading back up for Patrick Paul would make my draft night feel… not as happy as I’d like. JD I’m “okay” with. His upside is fantastic. Can live with it even if I don’t outright love it. The potential is there. But trading back up for Paul rubs me the wrong way.

If he doesn’t hit, I’m not sure that disqualifies virtual QB training… if he busts it’s almost certainly because he weighs less than a large wet beach towel. 32!? Back in my day I walked uphill to school in snow storms and we studied in text books! Damn whipper snapper. I bet you never had to deal with dialup internet to game, either!

I’m not sure who the top guy is or what tea leaves he’s reading But clearly Maye puts ketchup on steak. And therefore cannot be trusted.

And you shouldn’t get it out of your head. It’s a real, substantiated concern. I can’t shake Daniels looking like he weighs 185 lbs.

Yeah, I got a ton of flack for that post from people. My stance hasn’t changed, but I have come around on Maye. With his issue being footwork related, that is highly coachable. Of course, that doesn’t guarantee success. But, it increases the probability. When his mechanics are clean he looks phenomenal. He just breaks down mechanically and it really effects him. Coachable issues have a higher increased chance of being corrected that physical issues.

I wouldn't say that I don't. He's a GM of a football team. I'd say that he can get things wrong and others can get them right...

For the record, anyone who uses the phrase "film watchers" should be ignored.

I don’t, necessarily. The best get it wrong and a blind squirrel finds a nut. I currently trust that we have a plan. I think putting it on someone so much that we think he can see the future is unhealthy.

Nope. GC is the final piece. If he flips the stars align and we 100% take Penix.

I do. But no. Not him, either. None of these guys feel pressure and slide around. Daniels gets out of the way relatively well but he definitely prefers to break the pocket rather than navigate it. Williams navigates it well but he holds the ball for a quarter century. Maye does NOT navigate the pocket well at all consistently. The guy sacks himself like Howell did at times. And, like Howell, sometimes moves and slides and navigates it well. I don’t know that JJ has the sample size…

Well, that’s not Maye or Daniels.

I’m not comfortable with Daniels because I am terrified of the RG3 scenario. It’s not rational. It’s not a guarantee. The past doesn’t dictate the future. I don’t particularly want Daniels. But holy **** if he’s healthy he has such a high end potential that I am 100% willing to wait it out and see what happens. I’m weary of Maye, too. But his physical tools are traditionally along the lines of how the top quarterbacks are built. Tradition doesn’t mean all. I’m more comfortable with McCarthy than both but you don’t pick comfort at 2. You swing. if we were going McCarthy you have to move back to 4ish. But I’m not sure why Arizona would come up so it’s kind of a moot point.

Mild curiosity… People who are in the Jayden Daniels camp and can’t fathom why anyone would be worried: Can you not see people’s concerns with Daniels? And those of you in the Maye camp: Can you not see Daniels potential? I feel like these things get ignored in this convo when people are all in for one or the other.

I mean, it could. But he can’t pack on considerable mass anyways. 10-15 lbs seems like a lot but over his entire body shouldn’t screw with throwing mechanics too much. The dude has ALOT of room to grow.

I haven’t seen many people really change their stances on these guys. The knocks/positives are all the same. They haven’t changed one bit. Preferences have, but no new info has really come out aside from Daniels agent being an agent of chaos. Maye: big, strong, fast, athletic, strong arm. Sloppy/happy feet, sacks himself, mechanics cause accuracy issues Daniels: Fast, athletic, baseline to a bit better NFL arm, high end production, clean mechanics. Frail (this is a really big knock), game is reliant on speed which makes bulking up a lot more complicated, agent says stupid ****. McCarthy: good across the board but master of nothing, athletic, fast, protects himself, has the most experience as it pertains to various forms off offense (gun, under, etc), reports indicate his teammates would run through a wall for him. He didn’t throw much, Michigan leaned on strong running game and not him, didn’t need to come up clutch most of the time, doesn’t have the same perceived ceiling as the others. Williams: Athletic, absolute monster of a playmaker, good arm, has faced a lot of adversity at USC, good athlete. Holds the ball too long, quirky dude, doesn’t handle adversity well outwardly (not a personal issue, we’re all different, but how does a locker room respond?) and he’s shorter than the rest. Nothing has changed. With any of them.

The power of hopefulness. It's a tale as old as time and one that, quite frankly, we can all learn and grow from. Let me try: The CommandSkins have been good the last 30 years!!! Nope. Didn't work.

I hope, if all of this smoke is fire, that you're going to survive this.