Darth Tater

Yes, I would agree that the failure to replace Haskins or get an elite QB in trade (didn't have the assets) or draft is not really Ron's total fault. Mac Jones was the only one we really might have had a chance for that Ron seems to have been against. Thing is, a HEAD COACH is still accountable for those misses whether it is his fault or not. If you are honest, most of our fails during the Gruden period were not Gruden's fault. Same with Norv. Beathard/Gibbs made some tremendous errors as far as the draft. Here are some 2nd rounders that NEVER played a down for us. Two never even played in the NFL Richard Williams (22 games mostly as a special teams guy, none for us after we traded up for this pick) Bob Slater (never played a down in the NFL) Tory Nixon (4years at SFO as a back up after another big trade up by us) Walter Murray(2 years as a back-up for the Colts after another big trade up) Wally Kliene (never played a down in the NFL) Of course, Nixon was the only fail in a year where we didn't get to the play-offs.

Haskins rookie year had shown some promise, Clausen's rookie year didn't have any promise. Cam was pretty much the Burrow of 2011 and Burrow would have been the guy had the Skins held the first pick. Kyler Murray was pretty much the Burrow of 2019. Klif's only good year as a college coach was with Mahomes. Had Alex Smith leg not been broken like it was, the argument now would be over how long should his extension be. Whether to take a flyer pick this year or wait till 2023 to go hard.

Fields was NOT in trading distance and I still won't be surprised if he's a bust. Mac Jones was the only one. Truth is, while he does have potential, he only led a team in 2021 that was 3 plays better than the 2020 team.

This season, KOC had Stafford. The most effective route concept for LA only worked because Stafford has the ability to execute it along with a solid number two WR for much of the season (another key to making the base part of LA's offense work is a backside WR who runs excellent dig routes and is also a deep threat). Without that route concept working (one of the reasons Rams wanted Stafford), their offense would have sucked. Turner had Heineke and only Terry for much of the season. Through a period of games, the only thing that stopped our offense were execution fails and limited play options. Last season, Goff was much better than anything we had. The Rams offense was still mediocre. The core of what KOC does now is what McVay put in place. KOC is now gone.

"You only lose when you quit" was the first mantra I heard from a sales trainer. Dan is a salesman if nothing else and from his perspective to sell the team is to quit and only then is he a loser.

Urban Meyer. Trevor Lawrence's mantra right now has to be remember Peyton Manning's rookie year. 🙄

Anything more than a 2 and a conditional is too much. Best comp is Smith to KC. Heir apparent in place, injury prone and a winner despite limitations.

As good as last years top 5 QBs were rated, I still expect 3 to turn out to be busts for the team that drafted them. This years class seems even worse. While the Skins could have to trade a 1+ for the likes of Garrapolo, that seems to be an NFL-wide issue.

The JimmyG thing reminds me of the Smith trade to KC. Smith was injury-prone, not elite and unwanted. The trade for him though was the cornerstone (player-wise) of turning a team around from suck to perennial playoff contender. A team that had not had 3 consecutive winning seasons since 1995-1997. Further, it could be argued that Garapolo's injury issue are a big reason that SFO has only been to the playoffs in 2 of Kyle's 5 years. The Smith KC teams had great efficiency as measured by points per yard, they're overall offensive performance in 2013 did not go up that much and the team went to the playoffs 4 out of 5 years (and the year missed they were just one game out of going). Not necessarily the guy to get you the ring but he will let us kick the can down the road till when the next Mahomes or Lance is available.

Yes, he has had two ten loss season. Further, I did not say 100 years of our history, I said in ABOUT 100 years of NFL history. Again, excuses for failure are not relevant for a person who is the HEAD COACH.

I have no idea and is not relevant anyway. I am not arguing that Ron will or should be fired, am only stating the FACT that only 1 HC who did not have success (record-wise) over his first 3 years is likely a fail. Even the only coach to not have a winning record in year 3 who went on to have success almost beat the 1970 season champ and the 1971 AFC champ. Ron may go 12-5 next year (we were just 5 plays away this season) and win our play-in game which would obviously give him another season. He could go 2-15 (we were just 5 plays away from that in 2021) and obviously would be gone. The only point is if the team is mediocre next year, he will almost certainly be another fail (not necessarily fired, just another fail maybe like Turner or Gruden who weren't fired until year 7 and 6 receptively).

McVay inherited a 4-12 team that had no winning record since 2003 and an ownership story that is almost as bad as Dan's and had them at 10+ wins in his first season. Kyle takes over a team with 2-14 record and an ugly FO situation and gets the team to the SB in year 3. Zac Taylor took over a done Bengals team and now has them in the SB in year 3 (Zac is the only one with the major success that seems to have only done so with his franchise guy). In 2013, the Walrus took over a 2-14 KC and won 11 games. Since then they have had no losing seasons. You have to go back to Schottenhiemer to find a KC winning season streak that long (1989 to 1997). In our own history, 1981 Gibbs took over a 6-10 team and, even with an 0-5 start, was in the playoff hunt until the lost to Buffalo. In 1971, Allen took over a team that had only three winning seasons in a 20 year span and despite injuries took that team to the playoffs. It is interesting that Pete Caroll's first two years with the Seahawks is similar to Rivera's history here.

A little bit of a stretch but yes. In any case, he has got to at least go to the playoffs (not just the play-ins). Otherwise, he is just Gruden 2.0.

Ron is the HEAD COACH of a team that has had two 10 loss seasons. This in about the 100 years of NFL history IS the equivalent of two strikes. For a HEAD COACH, you are ACCOUNTABLE for everything, even if it is not your fault.

Why? Gruden was a fail but besides a rough start, was mediocre until his last year. Gruden is evidence that 2022 should be Ron's last chance. Not an opinion but fact, coaches that have 10 losses or more in both their first two seasons either make a huge jump in season 3, get fired or are bad to mediocre for that team until they get fired or not extended (our example is Norv Turner). All but 1 non-expansion head coach had at least one 10+ win seasons within their first 3 years, got fired or were bad to mediocre for that team (Gruden is an example for us). Further, Kyle S. took SFO to the SB and to NFC-CG without a top tier QB (just a baller with average talent). Sean McVay took a team to the SB with a QB who looked like a bust just 3 years earlier and has shown he's not the guy.

Of course, I'd say Ron is on strike two. If he doesn't hit it out of the park, he's probably a gonner.

I don't think Cousins is going anywhere. He's going to be reunited with Kevin If Kevin works out for the Vikes, that would strangely make Gruden the biggest coaching fail that actually has the beginnings of a coaching tree. McVay, Jay's guy from 2014 to 2016. O'Connel, guy who sort of replaced McVay. Though I guess you could argue that its more of a snake:Gruden->McVay->O'Connel I wonder how many failed head coaches actually have a tree?

What is worse? Taking a big swing and whiffing or taking the big swing only to fly out?

Its more than 10 wins from a fan's pov. 10 wins MAY save Ron's job but unless the Commies go to the SB or at least the NFCCG, NFL history (about 100 years of it) tells us this rebuild is a fail.

In the SB era, coaches that started out with 2 seasons of 10 or more losses got to the SB in year 3, got fired, or never amounted to anything. A rookie QB has never lead a team to the SB. You are probably not going to the dance without at good QB. Unless you believe Rivera is an exception, want a new coach (and think we can find one) or accept ongoing suck (mediocrity at best), you've got to know that we need a top-tier vet no matter the risk.

NE got lucky as far as QB situation from 2001 to 2019. A sixth round QB turning out to be the GOAT? Pittsburgh? A guy with talent was actually available to them. Green Bay? The best QB of the 2005 draft was still on the board at 24. You have up to 4 years to work out his flaws. SFO? Holmgren and Walsh from the late 70s to mid 90s explain much success at QB. Brodie was the only franchise guy that was not heavily dependent on a bit of luck. KC? Reid is why currently. He took a guy who was looking like a bust and got multiple playoff runs from a team that had 4 10+ loss seasons over the previous 6. Dallas is by far one of the most successful teams in my lifetime with only 2 periods of suck since their first 5 years and many seasons in the hunt. Only twice in their history have they not had a top-talent guy not fall off the tree for them. Since Sammy Baugh, Washington has used 11 top picks to find a franchise passer. This is with multiple FOs that had different level of successes, Haskins is still in the top 5 QBs available in 2019. Only Murray, Jones (only because he is still the starter) and Locke (only because he still is on the team that drafted him) have definitively been better. Murray looks to be the only franchise in the bunch.

Not saying he will be fired during the season but to be in jeopardy implies that a positive outcome is still possible at that point. After the season, he will either be fired or not fired. It is the 2022 season that decides a coach's fate. Every coach that still lead a mediocre non-expansion team in season 3 (with the exception of one) that was given at least one more year never was anything but mediocre. You don't wait until year four. Most successful coaches in NFL history took three or less years to turn a suck team into a winner.

Just realized Ron's job will NOT be in jeopardy AFTER the season. He will either do well enough to not be fired or he won't and it will likely be obvious to most everybody. Jeopardy implies that the decision is an open question. The only possible reasons that a negative result for Rivera is based on non-performance standards is if Snyder moves out of ownership. The only possible reason that a positive result for Rivera is based on non-performance standards is if Snyder believes it would be worse to move on. BTW, it is not relevant who is responsible for the QB issue (it has been an issue since at least 1985, anyway). The head coach is accountable for the problems it causes.

Its not Snyder in the case why Ron would be on the hot-seat next year. It is pretty much just a conclusion you can draw from overall NFL history. Only thing that is specific to Dan here is whether or not he CAN hire a decent coach if he wanted to move on. The only coaching moves that Dan made that confused me was not firing Turner as his first move and then firing him mid-season. Further, if Dan is forced to sell, minimum wins for Ron is 11 or a deep playoff run.

Don't think we could have competed for the Trey Lance pick. The pick used on Fields belonged to the Giants and the picks before belonged to the Eagles, We'd probably have had to trade up to 8. Only guy I think we could have had a shot at was Mac Jones.