server-at-work-crashed-way-too-early-to-predict Roster Prediction

[CTskin]

Well, the server at work just crashed, so I figured I'd use my time wisely. Below is how I'd like to see our opening day roster shape up.

(bold font = on the team)

 

OFFENSE (26)

(3)QB: Cousins, McCoy, Sudfeld

(3)RB: Jones, Thompson, Marshall, Brown, Kelley, Kerridge

(4)TE: Reed, Davis, Paul, Paulsen, Carrier, Jensen

(6)WR: Garcon, DJax, Crowder, Doctson, Grant, Ross, Harris, Showers, Turner, Diggs

(3)OT: TW, Moses, Nsekhe, Booth, Bowen, Bond

(4)OG: Scherff, Lauvao, Long, Kouandjio, Cofield, Kasitati

(3)C: Licht, LeRibeus, Reiter

DEFENSE (24)

(1)DT: Golston, Powe, Hood

(5)DE: Baker, Paea, Murphy, RJF, Ioannidis, Reyes, Crawford, Trail, Lanier

(5)OLB: Kerrigan, Galette, Preston, Cravens, Garvin, Bates, Shiro, Wakefield, Jefferson

(4)ILB: Compton, Foster, Daniels, Spaight, Riley, Hayward, Fields, Ederaine

(5)CB: Norman, Breeland, Fuller, Dunbar, Phillips, Everett, Toler, Harris, Carrington, Cooper

(2)SS: Bruton, Ihenacho

(2)FS: Hall, Blackmon, Jarrett (IR)

SPECIAL TEAMS (3)

Hopkins, Way, Sundberg

 

This helped me visualize the roster depth much better and I now realize how few openings there are on this team. Here are the predicaments I ran into:

-Does Sudfeld make the 53? Do we role the dice and try to get him on the PS to open another spot?

-RB- Marshall or Brown?

-WR- Will any of the four "unknowns" break onto the scene and steal Ross or Grant's spot?

-OL- Reiter or Cofield?

-TE- Carrier or Paulsen?

-DL- We really won't hold onto newly-acquired Reyes or Hood?

-OLB- Garvin or Bates?

-CB- Phillips, Toler, and Everett fight for one spot

-ILB- Daniels, Spaight, Riley, Hayward fight it out for two spots

[Vanguard]

Nice

[ILikeBilly]

Good starting point CT. 

  I think:   Carrier will be cut or stashed on IR.  He was hurt badly and it was sort of late in the season if I remember correctly.

  I hope:   Spaight improves big time with a year in our system and makes it obvious he belongs

  I would:  Stash Sudfeld on the practice squad.  I doubt he would be picked up and if he is, he is replaceable (at this point.)

[Panamon28]

This helped me visualize the roster depth much better and I now realize how few openings there are on this team. Here are the predicaments I ran into:

-Does Sudfeld make the 53? Do we role the dice and try to get him on the PS to open another spot?

-RB- Marshall or Brown?

-WR- Will any of the four "unknowns" break onto the scene and steal Ross or Grant's spot?

-OL- Reiter or Cofield?

-TE- Carrier or Paulsen?

-DL- We really won't hold onto newly-acquired Reyes or Hood?

-OLB- Garvin or Bates?

-CB- Phillips, Toler, and Everett fight for one spot

-ILB- Daniels, Spaight, Riley, Hayward fight it out for two spots

List looks good.....a few alternatives:

- Some risk (depending on preseason) but I see Sudfield on PS to start year so we retain STs/DEF depth

- Also see Marshall on PS - 3rd RB is a FA signing or trade (someone not on roster today)

- See us going w 3 TEs (no Paulsen, w Jensen on PS and Carrier on PUP)

- Looking less likely but I still have a feeling that Licht doesn't make it on OL - Cofield does

- Think Reyes makes squad (and could start)

- See Bates making it as 4th OLB

- See Cravens, Garvin and Riley as back-ups at ILB (Daniels + Spaight on PS)

- Agree on WRs + DBs

[London Kev]

Nice prediction. We're starting to build a damn good team.

 

The only changes that I'd really make is that I think we keep four RB's and only six interior linemen.

 

Some of the fringe players who go to the PS will get a chance as the season unfolds, but I don't think that we risk stashing Sudfield.

[NeverSurrender]

I will contribute more later but for now I just want to say that I'm tired of hearing about Ryan Grant.  I hope he is gone this year and Im sure we will hear about how good he is in TC.  He had a "Taylor Jacobs" type year last year.  23 Catches for 268 yards and 2 TDs.

Jacobs best year: 16 Catches for 178 yards and 1 TD. 

 

[HanburgerBum]

Well, the server at work just crashed, so I figured I'd use my time wisely. Below is how I'd like to see our opening day roster shape up.

(bold font = on the team)

 

OFFENSE (26)

(3)QB: Cousins, McCoy, Sudfeld

(3)RB: Jones, Thompson, Marshall, Brown, Kelley, Kerridge

(4)TE: Reed, Davis, Paul, Paulsen, Carrier, Jensen

(6)WR: Garcon, DJax, Crowder, Doctson, Grant, Ross, Harris, Showers, Turner, Diggs

(3)OT: TW, Moses, Nsekhe, Booth, Bowen, Bond

(4)OG: Scherff, Lauvao, Long, Kouandjio, Cofield, Kasitati

(3)C: Licht, LeRibeus, Reiter

DEFENSE (24)

(1)DT: Golston, Powe, Hood

(5)DE: Baker, Paea, Murphy, RJF, Ioannidis, Reyes, Crawford, Trail, Lanier

(5)OLB: Kerrigan, Galette, Preston, Cravens, Garvin, Bates, Shiro, Wakefield, Jefferson

(4)ILB: Compton, Foster, Daniels, Spaight, Riley, Hayward, Fields, Ederaine

(5)CB: Norman, Breeland, Fuller, Dunbar, Phillips, Everett, Toler, Harris, Carrington, Cooper

(2)SS: Bruton, Ihenacho

(2)FS: Hall, Blackmon, Jarrett (IR)

SPECIAL TEAMS (3)

Hopkins, Way, Sundberg

 

This helped me visualize the roster depth much better and I now realize how few openings there are on this team. Here are the predicaments I ran into:

-Does Sudfeld make the 53? Do we role the dice and try to get him on the PS to open another spot?

-RB- Marshall or Brown?

-WR- Will any of the four "unknowns" break onto the scene and steal Ross or Grant's spot?

-OL- Reiter or Cofield?

-TE- Carrier or Paulsen?

-DL- We really won't hold onto newly-acquired Reyes or Hood?

-OLB- Garvin or Bates?

-CB- Phillips, Toler, and Everett fight for one spot

-ILB- Daniels, Spaight, Riley, Hayward fight it out for two spots

 

Hard to argue with most of these, barring injuries. It is really, really early, and there will always be a deep surprise or two.  But, as of now, I would differ by:

 

T. Compton as a 4th OT, and Licht out.

Reyes instead of Paea on the Dline.

Bates over Garvin as an OLB.

Riley over Spaight (on practice squad) as ILB.

Everett over Phillips at CB.

[HanburgerBum]

Nice prediction. We're starting to build a damn good team.

 

The only changes that I'd really make is that I think we keep four RB's and only six interior linemen.

 

Some of the fringe players who go to the PS will get a chance as the season unfolds, but I don't think that we risk stashing Sudfield.

 

There is no need for a 4th RB.  Just stash one or two RBs on the PS.  Niles Paul can serve as an emergency RB if the first three RBs are out during a game.  The reason the Skins should keep an extra Olineman is because the Skins have talented depth there.  Exposing an extra Olineman to waivers would surely mean losing that player, whereas nobody will be claiming any of our RB depth.

[HanburgerBum]

Good starting point CT. 

  I think:   Carrier will be cut or stashed on IR.  He was hurt badly and it was sort of late in the season if I remember correctly.

  I hope:   Spaight improves big time with a year in our system and makes it obvious he belongs

  I would:  Stash Sudfeld on the practice squad.  I doubt he would be picked up and if he is, he is replaceable (at this point.)

 

Carrier was the one bad move McCloughan made last year.  Spending a 5th rounder on a TE with such mediocre talent was more of a panic move than anything.  Paulsen can be the blocking TE, and there is no need or room for Carrier on this team.

 

I think the Skins will fall in love with Sudfeld during TC and would not expose him to waivers in order to get him on the PS.  Look for Sudfeld to replace McCoy next season as the backup to Cousins.

[CTskin]

Hard to argue with most of these, barring injuries. It is really, really early, and there will always be a deep surprise or two.  But, as of now, I would differ by:

 

T. Compton as a 4th OT, and Licht out.

Reyes instead of Paea on the Dline.

Bates over Garvin as an OLB.

Riley over Spaight (on practice squad) as ILB.

Everett over Phillips at CB.

Tom Compton is on the Falcons

Paea is making $5M this year and is apparently looking like his 2014 self

I hate Riley. Average-at-best player, making $4M this year. I want youth/potential to push him out of the way

 

Carrier was the one bad move McCloughan made last year.  Spending a 5th rounder on a TE with such mediocre talent was more of a panic move than anything.  Paulsen can be the blocking TE, and there is no need or room for Carrier on this team.

 

I think the Skins will fall in love with Sudfeld during TC and would not expose him to waivers in order to get him on the PS.  Look for Sudfeld to replace McCoy next season as the backup to Cousins.

Agree completely

 

I will contribute more later but for now I just want to say that I'm tired of hearing about Ryan Grant.  I hope he is gone this year and Im sure we will hear about how good he is in TC.  He had a "Taylor Jacobs" type year last year.  23 Catches for 268 yards and 2 TDs.

Jacobs best year: 16 Catches for 178 yards and 1 TD. 

I'm with you- would love to see one of these unknown WRs take his spot

I hate Riley. Average-at-best player, making $4M this year. I want youth/potential to push him out of the way

[London Kev]

There is no need for a 4th RB.  Just stash one or two RBs on the PS.  Niles Paul can serve as an emergency RB if the first three RBs are out during a game.  The reason the Skins should keep an extra Olineman is because the Skins have talented depth there.  Exposing an extra Olineman to waivers would surely mean losing that player, whereas nobody will be claiming any of our RB depth.

Yeah, I can see Paul as a TE/FB hybrid type player. Not sure if he'll get any carries though (if that's what you meant?).

 

I just don't see us taking ten OL, especially three centers. Long was getting some reps there and will probably be back-up G/C.

[HanburgerBum]

Yeah, I can see Paul as a TE/FB hybrid type player. Not sure if he'll get any carries though (if that's what you meant?).

 

I just don't see us taking ten OL, especially three centers. Long was getting some reps there and will probably be back-up G/C.

 

I see Paul as a TE, an occasional FB (taking the Young role) and an emergency 4th RB.  Of course, I don't expect him to get many carries, if any.  But, if he had to as a 4th RB (with the first three being out), so be it.

 

I can see the Skins carrying 3 centers, because 2 of them (Rib, Long) are versatile enough to play guard as well.  When it comes to the last few roster spots, sometimes it has little to do with whether the player is likely to see playing time.  Instead, it may be an issue whether you want to lose the player via waivers.  The Skins stable of RBs won't excite anybody, and there won't be any problem sneaking a RB or two thru to the PS.  On the other hand, the Skins would likely regret putting a guy like Rib on waivers when and if injury strikes later.

[HanburgerBum]

Tom Compton is on the Falcons

Paea is making $5M this year and is apparently looking like his 2014 self

I hate Riley. Average-at-best player, making $4M this year. I want youth/potential to push him out of the way

 

Agree completely

 

I'm with you- would love to see one of these unknown WRs take his spot

I hate Riley. Average-at-best player, making $4M this year. I want youth/potential to push him out of the way

 

Thanks for letting me know about Tom Compton.  If he can make another NFL roster, that tends to prove my point that it will be tough to try to sneak a quality-depth Olineman thru waivers.  I would much rather keep a 10th or even an 11th Olineman than a 4th RB.

 

As to Paea, I hope you right.  Dline looke to be the Skins weakest area.  If we get decent play there, the defense can actually be damn good this coming season.

 

Regarding Riley, I am not particularly wedded to him.  If Spaight can beat him out, good.

[SkinsGuy]

 

- See us going w 3 TEs (no Paulsen, w Jensen on PS and Carrier on PUP)

 

 

 

After the absolute decimation of the TE group last season due to injury, I can't see the Redskins being comfortable with just three on the roster.

 

Especially with Reed having hurt his ankle before mini-camp. That will just reinforce the concern about having enough healthy TEs.

 

I see the Redskins carrying at least four.

[RedBeast]

Server crashed? So 1990s...

Nice work though!

[ILikeBilly]

Carrier was the one bad move McCloughan made last year.  Spending a 5th rounder on a TE with such mediocre talent was more of a panic move than anything.  Paulsen can be the blocking TE, and there is no need or room for Carrier on this team.

 

I think the Skins will fall in love with Sudfeld during TC and would not expose him to waivers in order to get him on the PS.  Look for Sudfeld to replace McCoy next season as the backup to Cousins.

I live out in CA, and a lot of west coasters thought that Carrier had a ton of potential.  Young, good hands, McCloughan type of player.  I think if he would have stayed healthy, he would have easily made the team this year and we would not have picked up Vernon Davis.

 

I agree that if Sudfeld sticks around all year, he will replace McCoy next season.  If we don't have Sudfeld or some other young stud on the PS or as 3rd team QB around this whole year, then finding our 2nd stringer next year becomes a bigger priority. 

[London Kev]

I see Paul as a TE, an occasional FB (taking the Young role) and an emergency 4th RB.  Of course, I don't expect him to get many carries, if any.  But, if he had to as a 4th RB (with the first three being out), so be it.

 

I can see the Skins carrying 3 centers, because 2 of them (Rib, Long) are versatile enough to play guard as well.  When it comes to the last few roster spots, sometimes it has little to do with whether the player is likely to see playing time.  Instead, it may be an issue whether you want to lose the player via waivers.  The Skins stable of RBs won't excite anybody, and there won't be any problem sneaking a RB or two thru to the PS.  On the other hand, the Skins would likely regret putting a guy like Rib on waivers when and if injury strikes later.

It's the versatility of players like Long and LeRibeus that makes me think we don't need six interior guys. Ribs probably isn't eligible for the PS but I could see Reiter going there. 

 

This is all getting a bit specific and probably more suited to the OL thread.

[HanburgerBum]

I live out in CA, and a lot of west coasters thought that Carrier had a ton of potential.  Young, good hands, McCloughan type of player.  I think if he would have stayed healthy, he would have easily made the team this year and we would not have picked up Vernon Davis.

 

I agree that if Sudfeld sticks around all year, he will replace McCoy next season.  If we don't have Sudfeld or some other young stud on the PS or as 3rd team QB around this whole year, then finding our 2nd stringer next year becomes a bigger priority. 

 

I have to say that I just don't see it when it comes to Carrier.  He may be young, but I don't see anything else there.  He is an okay blocker, but not better than Paulsen.  Moreover, the TE position is more about receiving than block nowadays in the NFL.  As a receiver, Carrier is not much of a threat. 

 

Regarding Carrier making the team this year, I think it has far less to do with his health than the health of the other TEs.  If Reed, Davis, Paul, Paulsen are healthy, I just don't see any room or need for Carrier.  My guess is that if the Skins waived Carrier, he would go unclaimed and would still be available later if he were needed to replace an injured TE.  I am sure if McCloughan were being honest, he would admit that giving up a 5th rounder for Carrier was a bad move.

It's the versatility of players like Long and LeRibeus that makes me think we don't need six interior guys. Ribs probably isn't eligible for the PS but I could see Reiter going there. 

 

This is all getting a bit specific and probably more suited to the OL thread.

 

 

Yeah, but need is not the only consideration, as I said.  There is no reason to put quality depth on the Oline on waivers and risk losing it if there is room on the roster to accommodate it.

[Always A Commander Never A Captain]

Nice, might as well do these pre-training camp to see how accurate we might be.

 

Also, point #7 from this article got me thinking about our own roster, and I'll use your general formatting:

http://www.phillyvoice.com/10-reasons-eagles-will-be-dumpster-fire-season-2016/

 

OFFENSE (24)

(3)QB: Cousins, McCoy, Sudfeld

(3)RB: Jones, Thompson, Marshall

(0)FB:

(4)TE: Reed, Davis, Paul, Paulsen

(5)WR: Garcon, DJax, Crowder, Doctson, Grant

(3)OT: TW, Moses, Nsekhe

(5)OG: Scherff, Lauvao, Long, Kouandjio, Cofield

(1)C: Licht

DEFENSE (26)

(1)DT/NT: Golston

(6)DE/DT: Baker, Paea, Murphy, RJF, Ioannidis, Reyes

(4)Edge: Kerrigan, Galette, Preston, Bates

(3)Base ILB: Foster, Spaight, Daniels

(3)Nickel ILB: Compton, Cravens, Garvin

(5)CB: Norman, Breeland, Fuller, Dunbar, Phillips

(2)SS: Bruton, Ihenacho

(2)FS: Hall, Blackmon

SPECIAL TEAMS (3)

Hopkins, Way, Sundberg

 

Notables:

Jarrett - PUP or IR

Carrier - PUP (as a way to stash him)

Reiter - Practice Squad

 

Guys over the 53 that I want to try and fit in:

DL - Hood

CB - Carrington

RB - Kelley

WR - Ross

 

It's possible we PUP Lauvao, in that case, LeRibs makes it over Ross.  I don't like keeping only 8 o-lineman.  If we really like Kelley at RB, I think we might wind up cutting Chris Thompson to make room.  If Carrington plays well enough we can't leave him off the roster, then maybe we try and sneak Daniels onto the practice squad?

[HanburgerBum]

Nice, might as well do these pre-training camp to see how accurate we might be.

 

Also, point #7 from this article got me thinking about our own roster, and I'll use your general formatting:

http://www.phillyvoice.com/10-reasons-eagles-will-be-dumpster-fire-season-2016/

 

OFFENSE (24)

(3)QB: Cousins, McCoy, Sudfeld

(3)RB: Jones, Thompson, Marshall

(0)FB:

(4)TE: Reed, Davis, Paul, Paulsen

(5)WR: Garcon, DJax, Crowder, Doctson, Grant

(3)OT: TW, Moses, Nsekhe

(5)OG: Scherff, Lauvao, Long, Kouandjio, Cofield

(1)C: Licht

DEFENSE (26)

(1)DT/NT: Golston

(6)DE/DT: Baker, Paea, Murphy, RJF, Ioannidis, Reyes

(4)Edge: Kerrigan, Galette, Preston, Bates

(3)Base ILB: Foster, Spaight, Daniels

(3)Nickel ILB: Compton, Cravens, Garvin

(5)CB: Norman, Breeland, Fuller, Dunbar, Phillips

(2)SS: Bruton, Ihenacho

(2)FS: Hall, Blackmon

SPECIAL TEAMS (3)

Hopkins, Way, Sundberg

 

Notables:

Jarrett - PUP or IR

Carrier - PUP (as a way to stash him)

Reiter - Practice Squad

 

Guys over the 53 that I want to try and fit in:

DL - Hood

CB - Carrington

RB - Kelley

WR - Ross

 

It's possible we PUP Lauvao, in that case, LeRibs makes it over Ross.  I don't like keeping only 8 o-lineman.  If we really like Kelley at RB, I think we might wind up cutting Chris Thompson to make room.  If Carrington plays well enough we can't leave him off the roster, then maybe we try and sneak Daniels onto the practice squad?

 

 

Six ILBs?  Unless the depth is so good that it can not be risked on waivers, I just can't visualize keeping 6 ILBs when only 2 start.

 

Carrier on the PUP list?  I can't see that either.  There is no need to stash him anywhere.  Cut him, and he will be available later if he is needed to replace an injured TE.

[Always A Commander Never A Captain]

Six ILBs?  Unless the depth is so good that it can not be risked on waivers, I just can't visualize keeping 6 ILBs when only 2 start.

 

Carrier on the PUP list?  I can't see that either.  There is no need to stash him anywhere.  Cut him, and he will be available later if he is needed to replace an injured TE.

 

Yeah.  Garvin like Adam Hayward are "linebackers" but should really go into the Special Teams category.  Ross is a WR, but with how deep we are he's basically just a Special Teamer as well.

 

So that really leaves 5 ILB that could actually get defensive snaps.  Usually extra ILB are considered a good thing for special teams.

[Koolblue13]

Six ILBs?  Unless the depth is so good that it can not be risked on waivers, I just can't visualize keeping 6 ILBs when only 2 start.

 

Carrier on the PUP list?  I can't see that either.  There is no need to stash him anywhere.  Cut him, and he will be available later if he is needed to replace an injured TE.

I get that you see nothing in Carrier, but the guy is 6'4" 240 and ran a 4.40 40. He also is known to have great hands.

 

If you can't see value in a player with those measurables, that can block, I don't know what to tell you, but don't say there's nothing there.

 

Also, we had zero TEs when we traded for him. We were starting Compton, an offensive tackle at TE. A 5th is hardly a waste for that guy.

[HanburgerBum]

Yeah.  Garvin like Adam Hayward are "linebackers" but should really go into the Special Teams category.  Ross is a WR, but with how deep we are he's basically just a Special Teamer as well.

 

So that really leaves 5 ILB that could actually get defensive snaps.  Usually extra ILB are considered a good thing for special teams.

 

You do make a good point about special teams being a possible decider when it comes to the last few spots on the roster.  Despite that, I think there would be a max of 5 ILBs even counting Cravens as one.

 

As to Ross, I think he does have some value as a backup returner.  And, I think he may be the only WR on the team besides DJax with enough speed to stretch the field.  But, he is certainly no lock to make the team, given the expected depth at WR.

[HanburgerBum]

I get that you see nothing in Carrier, but the guy is 6'4" 240 and ran a 4.40 40. He also is known to have great hands.

 

If you can't see value in a player with those measurables, that can block, I don't know what to tell you, but don't say there's nothing there.

 

Also, we had zero TEs when we traded for him. We were starting Compton, an offensive tackle at TE. A 5th is hardly a waste for that guy.

 

Carrier runs 4.40 40?  When I watch him, he looks like he runs closer to 5.40 than 4.40.  He does not seem to have enough speed/quickness to get open consistently.  And, he does not seem to excel in any aspect of playing TE.  I don't see the team carrying 5 TEs.  So, his best shot at making the team would appear to be someone ahead of him getting injured.  Or, maybe he can start playing FB/emergency RB along with TE and beat out Paul.

 

As to trading for Carrier, I understood why McCloughan did it at the time.  But, I think later events have proven that to be a bad move, and McCloughan would be the first one to admit it.  McCloughan is someone who values low round draft choices like the 5th rounder he gave up for Carrier--just watch him constantly trading down to acquire more low round draft picks.  If someone like Vernon Davis is available in free agency, there is no reason to pay a 5th rounder for someone like Carrier.

[pjfootballer]

I don't worry about SM giving up low round picks, because he always gets them back. Vinny gave away high picks and never got them back.