d0ublestr0ker0ll Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 Here's a question for the 'Skins fans, what would it take for people to consider Joe Gibbs to be the greatest coach ever? Obviously a lot of things would have to be taken in to consideration. Superbowl/non-Superbowl eras (George Halas), the circumstance of his 10 year absence, the legend of Lombardi, Bill Walsh, and Don Shula. But imagine if Gibbs wins not only 1 ring, but 2. If he wins 2 rings, is he the greatest of all time? Is he the automatic shoe-in souly based on the bling he'd be sporting? I dont' want to even touch the 3-ring talk, but if he actually wins 3 in his tenure here...I'd consider him to be the best coach of all time, in any sport. It would be bigger than Red Aurbach's accomplishments, Phil Jackson's, or Dean Smith's. This sport has less amount of plays than basketball (demanding more gutsy plays and perfect timing than basketball), it is more elaborate and scientific, and unlike those 3 coaches, Gibbs can't recruit all the good players or fall in to a booming system. Injuries, keeping everyone (53 players) in good spirits and focused, there is no other sport as demanding as pro football. If Gibbs gets (a grand total of) 5 rings, I'd consider him to be the greatest coach in NFL history. If he ends up having 6, I may have to consider him the greatest coach in sports history. Forgive me for my delusions of grandure. This preseason is like crawling through the desert...when is the end?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
refuze Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 You need to change your poll options. He already has 3 rings. I think if he could get 5-6, then maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d0ublestr0ker0ll Posted September 1, 2005 Author Share Posted September 1, 2005 You need to change your poll options. He already has 3 rings.I think if he could get 5-6, then maybe. Mm, any common sense in that egg, refuze? Maybe I'll add the word "more" before "rings" so the short-bus kids will fully understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walking Deadman Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 He'll never be considered "the best coach" ever.....if you read SI or ESPN. Heck, they have Parcells higher (only 2 rings). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
refuze Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 Mm, any common sense in that egg, refuze? Maybe I'll add the word "more" before "rings" so the short-bus kids will fully understand. Obviously that would have helped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselPwr44 Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 Just one. Then he'd be legendary(if he already isn't). He'd have won in different eras with a different QB(Walsh,Landry and Noll had the luxury of a franchise QB, Gibbs didn't) and rb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamSneed36 Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 Dont think you can ever name one best ever coach. There will always be the perfect season, the pats 3 superbowls in 4 years and other accomplishments. I think Gibbs legecy could be his first stint, then comming back to the team that had fallen so far, and bringing them back to a super bowl. So id say one more, but I think Gibbs has already put himself pretty high up there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkart Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 Just one. Then he'd be legendary(if he already isn't). He'd have won in different eras with a different QB(Walsh,Landry and Noll had the luxury of a franchise QB, Gibbs didn't) and rb. I agree with one, but voted 2 because that's what it would take to convince most non Skins fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FBChick Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 Just one. Then he'd be legendary(if he already isn't). He'd have won in different eras with a different QB(Walsh,Landry and Noll had the luxury of a franchise QB, Gibbs didn't) and rb. I agree. You really wouldn't able to argue that a guy can walk away from the game for over 10 years and then come back and win a superbowl, no one would be able to argue what Gibbs can do. Many like to discount two of his three superbowls because of the strike interruptions, which is how they justify placing others above him with less wins. But if he can rise from the Ashes of an awful NFC east division to and get to a superbowl, that alone will bump him up a few notches. Winning the superbowl would put him pretty much at the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselPwr44 Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 I agree. You really wouldn't able to argue that a guy can walk away from the game for over 10 years and then come back and win a superbowl, no one would be able to argue what Gibbs can do.Many like to discount two of his three superbowls because of the strike interruptions, which is how they justify placing others above him with less wins. But if he can rise from the Ashes of an awful NFC east division to and get to a superbowl, that alone will bump him up a few notches. Winning the superbowl would put him pretty much at the top. I still find it funny that people still throw up the strike seasons as a means of tainting Gibbs' career. If it was soooo easy to get to the SuperBowl in a strike shortened season, why didn't the 49ers get there that year?? Or better yet, the Cowboys, who actually had players cross the picket line?? Sometimes the excuses other teams' fans come up with is high comedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 Two more would guarantee it, especially if they are back to back. To win a Super Bowl in three different decades would be unprecedented, not to mention after twelve years of retirement. That would be considered different eras and a totally amazing feat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Washington Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 about 10 total Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Joe Hog Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 Seventeen more Super Bowl wins should move Joe ahead of Bill Walsh, but if Bill Parcells should retire with three Super Bowl wins, Joe will only be considered the second best coach by the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDSKINS STOMP Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 1 more, that is all it would take, or should take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignatius J. Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 1 more would really put him up with the lombardis, walshes, etc. 2 more, and you would have people seriously calling him the greatest of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpfan Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 1 to make him a very strong argument. 2 to seal it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan12 Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 just one more just one more just one more JUST ONE MORE JUST ONE MORE JUST ONE MORE JUST ONE MORE!!! JUST ONE MORE!!! JUST ONE MORE!!! oh, please, oh, please... . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EberKain Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 If he stays past the 5 year contract, which I think he will if they have success through that period, I can see 3 more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreek1973 Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 Just one more. I mean who is going to dispute it then. here is a guy that has won the superbowl 4 times with 4 different QBs and RBs and at different decades. No one will be able to beat that record IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d0ublestr0ker0ll Posted September 1, 2005 Author Share Posted September 1, 2005 Just one more. I mean who is going to dispute it then. here is a guy that has won the superbowl 4 times with 4 different QBs and RBs and at different decades. No one will be able to beat that record IMO. Three times. :point2sky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hands11 Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 Mm, any common sense in that egg, refuze? Maybe I'll add the word "more" before "rings" so the short-bus kids will fully understand. Hey, I was thinking the same thing when I read the question. I think you may want to change the question. I does ask, how many, not how many more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jokerwild Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 Gibbs is already the greatest coach in the history of the game!!! :notworthy Hail Redskins :notworthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 He doesn't need to win any to be CONSIDERED among the top(including Walsh, Lombardi, etc) I think if he wins ONE more he should be considered top 2(take your pick of who else to be there--I'd still Lombardi for lots of reasons) without ANY question. Win 2 more and he should be elevated to the very top, again, WITHOUT dispute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpskins Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 He doesn't need to win any to be CONSIDERED among the top(including Walsh, Lombardi, etc)I think if he wins ONE more he should be considered top 2(take your pick of who else to be there--I'd still Lombardi for lots of reasons) without ANY question. Win 2 more and he should be elevated to the very top, again, WITHOUT dispute. What he said. He is already one of the greatest. I think one more, and he is virtually without peer. Two definately seals the deal. :fingersx: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 He doesn't need to win any to be CONSIDERED among the top(including Walsh, Lombardi, etc)I think if he wins ONE more he should be considered top 2(take your pick of who else to be there--I'd still Lombardi for lots of reasons) without ANY question. Win 2 more and he should be elevated to the very top, again, WITHOUT dispute. You are right. 1 more and he is better than Noll, Walsh, and whoever else they want to throw out there. Parcells hasn't won anything after he retired the first time and this is his 3RD team since then and still nothing but big respect from the "experts" every year. Gibbs has still won a SB more recently than Parcells and he has 1 more ring and a much better career regular season and playoff winning %. And we all saw what happened when one of his Coordinators became a head coach. Parcells old Def Cooridinator now has more rings than Parcells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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