tedskins334 Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Midway through the season, who will be the starting quarterback? This is a serious question that deserves serious thought. At first glance, Ramsey is the quarterback of the year. However, given Gibbs' recent history with Brunell and the first round pick of Campbell, the question could have several viable answers. Although I am personally biased toward Jason Campbell, I respect the decision to put Ramsey there should he earn the spot. However, is this what we expect from a Washington Redskin quarterback?: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=pass&season=2&year=2004 I am confident that this year will bring glory back to the best franchise in the history of the NFL. But who will be leading it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfitzo53 Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 There are already a number of threads about this, but I'm confident Ramsey will start and finish the season barring any injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 you. you will be starting for us week 8. So, get ready Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonjeff Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Ramsey will start and finish the season barring an injury. If Pat goes down Brunell will step in. I can't see Campbell being ready for at least a couple of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boobiemiles Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 It better be Pat, or else Denver is getting a high pick in 06. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walking Deadman Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Ramsey all year, barring any injury. This is Patrick's year make or break--- once Gibbs made the call he's the starter period. Now it's up to Patrick to make the throws and hopefully someone will get open to catch them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsChick36 Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Week 8 can we worry about week 1 first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusinFlorida Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 Any else but Ramsey would not be a promising situatiion for the Skins. Either he's injured or doing extremely bad (0-8) for Gibbs to replace him. I'll say with confidence that Ramseyt will be our QB throughout the year based on our starting O-Line. We will be in the Playoffs this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 ER, Didn't Ramsey average a 90+ rating in his last five games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimster Posted April 28, 2005 Share Posted April 28, 2005 a Redskins QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedskins334 Posted April 28, 2005 Author Share Posted April 28, 2005 What is up with everybody so opposed to JC? I mean, hear the guy out: "It will be an honor and a pleasure to have the opportunity to be playing for a legendary coach, like coach (Joe) Gibbs," Campbell said. "To have the opportunity to play under him and participate in this organization is tremendous. It's going to be an Auburn family reunion in Washington with Carlos and (former Auburn linebacker) Marcus Washington." Is that not far cry from Patrick Ramsey's holdout during his rookie year? Ole' P-Diddy Ramsey holding out because he wants to be "Dollar McBaller", or was he just too busy NOT attending training camp? Give JC a chance to perform. We're all Redskins now, including JC and Ramsey, so let's hope for the best man to lead our team- which I believe is Jason Campbell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfitzo53 Posted April 29, 2005 Share Posted April 29, 2005 Originally posted by tedskins334 What is up with everybody so opposed to JC? I mean, hear the guy out: "It will be an honor and a pleasure to have the opportunity to be playing for a legendary coach, like coach (Joe) Gibbs," Campbell said. "To have the opportunity to play under him and participate in this organization is tremendous. It's going to be an Auburn family reunion in Washington with Carlos and (former Auburn linebacker) Marcus Washington." Is that not far cry from Patrick Ramsey's holdout during his rookie year? Ole' P-Diddy Ramsey holding out because he wants to be "Dollar McBaller", or was he just too busy NOT attending training camp? Give JC a chance to perform. We're all Redskins now, including JC and Ramsey, so let's hope for the best man to lead our team- which I believe is Jason Campbell. If you want to throw this season away, put Campbell in. That's not a knock on him at all, it's the facts as far as rookie QBs are concerned. We didn't draft anyone with the last name Manning, so there isn't any pressure to bring him in early. Roethlisberger only came in because Maddox got hurt and was playing in an extremely quarterback friendly situation. He was so flustered his first few games Hines Ward had to call some of the plays. That would not fly on a Joe Gibbs team. Campbell needs time both to learn the system and the complexities of NFL defenses. He may be a great quarterback someday, but this is not his year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[[ghost]] Posted April 29, 2005 Share Posted April 29, 2005 Originally posted by Bufford you. you will be starting for us week 8. So, get ready i pray to god that you can tell me that in a couple of years. im so glad im young:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panel Posted April 29, 2005 Share Posted April 29, 2005 Originally posted by dfitzo53 There are already a number of threads about this, but I'm confident Ramsey will start and finish the season barring any injury. True that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted April 29, 2005 Share Posted April 29, 2005 Originally posted by tedskins334 What is up with everybody so opposed to JC? I mean, hear the guy out: "It will be an honor and a pleasure to have the opportunity to be playing for a legendary coach, like coach (Joe) Gibbs," Campbell said. "To have the opportunity to play under him and participate in this organization is tremendous. It's going to be an Auburn family reunion in Washington with Carlos and (former Auburn linebacker) Marcus Washington." Is that not far cry from Patrick Ramsey's holdout during his rookie year? Ole' P-Diddy Ramsey holding out because he wants to be "Dollar McBaller", or was he just too busy NOT attending training camp? Give JC a chance to perform. We're all Redskins now, including JC and Ramsey, so let's hope for the best man to lead our team- which I believe is Jason Campbell. Um, was Gibbs the coach Ramsey's rookie year??...It's kinda hard to say something like "It will be an honor and a pleasure to have the opportunity to be playing for a legendary NFL coach" when your coach is fresh out of the college ranks. And at least give Campbell a chance to hold out before you declare him the Mother Teresa of football...lol... As for your question, like practically every other poster on this thread, I think Ramsey will begin and end the season, barring some sort of injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedskins334 Posted April 29, 2005 Author Share Posted April 29, 2005 dfitzo, Your response is appreciated and well thought out. I also understand exactly where you are coming from; I do think that Campbell needs time to develop as a quarterback- one could look at what he did in Auburn, with four years to make him the best quarterback in the country. However, my point of contention is about Ramsey and the perceived negativity on forums like this and throughout the Redskin community regarding Campbell (and choosing Rogers over MW as well). It seems that people are picking sides in the quarterback controversy, if we have one, as opposed to choosing the Redskins first and foremost. (On a side note, I believe it is this same negativity that denied Auburn a chance in the Orange Bowl, but that is a separate matter) My main point is as follows: What has Ramsey done to warrant all of this loyalty? -Held out on the Redskins, delaying training camp so that he could pull in some more 'big bucks' -Had an abysmal rookie year, followed by a still subpar sophomore year, only to be followed by an atrocious third year (using QB rating as a basis for comparison) with our team While people may second guess Dr. Gibbs' selections in the draft, may they be reminded of the excellence exhibited by JC on and off the field and the potential for Him to be best thing to hit D.C. since sliced bread. Whether we agree or not on the means, we all wish Superbowl ends and it is my hope that Gibbs knows the way to get us there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted April 29, 2005 Share Posted April 29, 2005 Originally posted by tedskins334 dfitzo, While people may second guess Dr. Gibbs' selections in the draft, may they be reminded of the excellence exhibited by JC on and off the field and the potential for Him to be best thing to hit D.C. since sliced bread. Not too much different than those who conveniently forget that it was "Dr. Gibbs' " decision to declare Ramsey the starter for this season and claim the Redskins are "his" team....not Brunell's, not Campbell's...Ramsey's team. So do we "question" Gibbs' decision to draft Campbell, or do we question Gibbs' desire to put his faith and loyalty behind Ramsey this year??...Either way, we're questioning Gibbs' decision...lol By the way, you can find boatloads of complimentary quotes by Ramsey about Gibbs and the Redskins...if you wanted to, that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfitzo53 Posted April 29, 2005 Share Posted April 29, 2005 Originally posted by [[ghost]] i pray to god that you can tell me that in a couple of years. im so glad im young:D Play quarterback I take it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted April 29, 2005 Share Posted April 29, 2005 tedskins334 Just wondering, how long you been a Skins fan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkowi Posted April 29, 2005 Share Posted April 29, 2005 Ramsey barring injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzanne4sure Posted April 29, 2005 Share Posted April 29, 2005 My God, no one is against Jason C. But give the kid a break. He needs to learn a complicated Gibs's Offense, and he needs to get used to the NFL. I hope you are joking TedSkin and don't have another agenda. You don't right?? LOL! It is just because Jason is a great quarterback right? LOL! Give me a break! I guess the fact that PR had a 93 Passing rating the last 5 games means he is destined to failure. LOL! What are you really trying to say my friend??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted April 29, 2005 Share Posted April 29, 2005 WTF Tedskins, your analysis of Ramsey's play as being "awful rookie year," "atrocious 2nd year" and "even worse 3rd year" is... Idiotic. You're yet another one of these voices from left field that somehow ignore facts and decide to STILL LATCH ONTO THAT DAMN HOLDOUT. What did Ramsey hold out for, 2 weeks? Gimme a --- break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted April 29, 2005 Share Posted April 29, 2005 Sonny Jurgenson will get so fed up with everything that he will leave the radio booth and sign a contract Snyder has ready for him and play himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedskins334 Posted April 29, 2005 Author Share Posted April 29, 2005 No, I don't have an agenda other than to see the Redskins win. I have been a Redskins fan since birth. Although I am also an Auburn fan, I root for the Redskins in the pros (ex: I take Washington over Stephen Davis's Panthers, Ronnie Brown's Dolphins, Cadillac's Bucs, so on) You can call my opinions idiotic, but the numbers speak for themselves: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=pass&sort=rat&pos=off&league=nfl&order=true&season=2&year=2004 The bottom line is that Ramsey had not produced. Yes, he did play in conference usa in college and performed well and he was picked in the late first round, but the blind allegiance to Ramsey is deplorable for Redskins fans who keep it real. Give JC a chance- While Ramsey may have had an acceptable "last 5 games", Campbell has got the right stuff to hopefully improve to be the winning quarterback that we all deserve. Peace in the Middle East. Boom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted April 29, 2005 Share Posted April 29, 2005 Ah, statistics, the final refuge of the undiscerning football eye. Sorry, you forget that the Giants and Bengals game gets included in Patrick's final rating. That the 4 yard pass offense when he first came in also affects that rating. So you CANT IGNORE the last 5 games and his rating and performance. You cannot ignore what he did in his rookie season, especially with such a system being incorporated that took out support from under him. And his second year? You mean the year he broke his foot but before that played well and had a winnning record? The same season that Spurrier's system was fully exposed and he didn't even add hot reads and the like until Tim H had to play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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