ohioskinfan Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 All the smoke screens and what ifs are driving everyone crazy. My vision of the move to 25 is different. I believe the #9 pick is the trade pick for a veteran. I see a straight trade for Clement at this pick. Why you ask-history JG wants veterans and will use the money needed for the #9 pick to offset the cost of signing him. The 25 pick is the bpa for the offense, probally Miller. Now some thoughts on our trade. As a GM, would you value the number of picks, the quality of picks, or the cap as your priority? 1.We can argue that draft picks builds the team of the future, but as everyone knows, its a crap shoot. Having 12 picks is great if you get starters or role players, but 7-10 probally wont make the team, or package picks for a higher draft, or trade. 2.Quality of picks? the #1 can be a bust, and #180 could be a gem, crap shoot again. 3.Cap space is the most criticle to me. The ability to resign players, bid for free agents, and take hits as players now seem to dictate when the teams or players situation changes. To go along these lines, lets take Ramsey for example. If he is our future as JG described, This is the year to sign the long term contract, and because of our cap, we cant even negotiate at this time. We have to wait till after June to sign Moss, with cap space this would have been worked out before the trade. Gardener would generate the 3rd round pick we deserve, but every team in the league knows we need the 2 million for our cap, and will wait for his release, or steal him for a 4th or 5th rounder. Next years 1st rd pick (crap shoot), Brunnels june 1st cut, possible Arrington trade, and fiscle management all of the sudden might get us back in posistion to be competative, and start recieving extra picks instead of giving them up every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Adama Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 ...the rain is gone. I can see all obstacles in my way.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrfriedm Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 Who knows what the hell is going on in Gibbs and company's mind right now. I'm just tried of talking about it, and want to get over with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Money Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 Originally posted by ohioskinfan My vision of the move to 25 is different. I believe the #9 pick is the trade pick for a veteran. I see a straight trade for Clement at this pick. This would mean we gave up a 1st, 3rd & 4th to aquire the rights to Clements who still needs to get a contract because he's a free agent next year 2006 and we know how uys are about changing team the year before their contract is due. (cough, moss cough) :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Prime Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 Originally posted by Blue Collar Skins ...the rain is gone. I can see all obstacles in my way.... It's gunna be a bright....bright... sun shiny day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iheartskins Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 Originally posted by Blue Collar Skins ...the rain is gone. I can see all obstacles in my way.... ...gone is the smoke screen that had me blind--it's gonna be a bright, bright, sun shining day... EDIT: Gothimus beat me by mere seconds. Damn you Gothimus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsRback04 Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 KevinB, No, actually it would mean that we gave up those picks to stay in the first round and grab an (obviously) much desired player. But I know what you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 Originally posted by Gothtimus It's gunna be a bright....bright... sun shiny day everyone knows it's "Glass Plus day" :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorGreedy Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 Has anyone seen enough of clements to say that he is worthy of a possible trade. I know he played in gregg williams system in buffalo but I haven't heard or seen much of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsRback04 Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 He is a pro bowl player who fits Williams system to a 'T'... doesn't hurt that he is young. Go here and check his stats: http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235204 The guy is a natural ballhawk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorGreedy Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 Originally posted by SkinsRback04 He is a pro bowl player who fits Williams system to a tee. Doesn't hurt that he is young. Go here and check his stats: http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235204 The guy is a natural ballhawk. I see now.. Didn't know he went to the pro bowl last year. Even if he was a 2nd injury replacement pro bowler his stats speak for themself. Doesn't hurt that Williams drafted him either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Prime Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 Originally posted by zoony everyone knows it's "Glass Plus day" :laugh: :rotflmao: d00d leave the house and get away from the TV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKINtil8tin Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 Awww, is it Saturday, yet? And just so you know, I agree that Clements would be great as a Skin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsRback04 Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 Originally posted by TaylorGreedy I see now.. Didn't know he went to the pro bowl last year. Even if he was a 2nd injury replacement pro bowler his stats speak for themself. Doesn't hurt that Williams drafted him either. It just wouldn't get much better than Springs and Clements on the corners. If you compare their stats last year they are just about identical except for the sacks. We would be set for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Prime Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 Originally posted by SKINtil8tin Awww, is it Saturday, yet? And just so you know, I agree that Clements would be great as a Skin. Mike Williams and Clements is a hell of a productive off season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 Originally posted by Gothtimus :rotflmao: d00d leave the house and get away from the TV :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCnDaHouse Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 I agree with getting Clements with the high pick rather than an unproven rookie. Getting a known commodity is better than someone who might want a big contract and then be a bust. Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woofer Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 Originally posted by jrfriedm Who knows what the hell is going on in Gibbs and company's mind right now. I'm just tried of talking about it, and want to get over with. Hear Hear! I so totally agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 Plus Clemens for 9 would allow us some $ to sign #25 and the others. I'd bet we keep Gardner in that scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 Gone are the dark clouds that had me blind ( You guys skipped a line. ). It's gonna be a bright, bright Sun shiny day Much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tr1 Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 Getting that #25 has to have been as a result of trying to secure a vet on another team. I, too, believe it's Clements, but strange things can happen on draft day. I'd say that if it is Clements, we've already have secured permission to talk to him by Buffalo. Buffalo is hot for a #1 pick, and they haven't been able to do anything with Clements. And did anyone figure out where Gibbs was on Tuesday? Other than in Alabama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpark Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 I would love Clements too BUT how can all you Clements entusiasts continue to ignore the fact that like Moss he is scheduled to be a FA after next season? This is not a minor BUT considering the fact that Clements would likely command a contract similar to Smoot. Yes, the same Smoot who we couldnt afford to keep around. So, please tell me....where does this plan fit into reality? Anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tr1 Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 Originally posted by jpark I would love Clements too BUT how can all you Clements entusiasts continue to ignore the fact that like Moss he is scheduled to be a FA after next season? This is not a minor BUT considering the fact that Clements would likely command a contract similar to Smoot. Yes, the same Smoot who we couldnt afford to keep around. So, please tell me....where does this plan fit into reality? Anyone? Clements is much better than Smoot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsRback04 Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 Precisely...and that is just a part of the considerations that go into personnel decisions of the new NFL. Clements may have been targeted as a possible long ago with a salary projection larger than Smoot. Smoot simply exceeded what we wanted to pay for him and forget the other possibilities. If Clements or whichever Vet comes in and signs for something close to Springs money, it's a deal. But Smoot wanted more. If a Clements or Surtain can't be signed for reasonable money then we go draft one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Williams Posted April 22, 2005 Share Posted April 22, 2005 Originally posted by Park City Skins Gone are the dark clouds that had me blind ( You guys skipped a line. ). It's gonna be a bright, bright Sun shiny day Much better. :laugh: :doh: :doh: :doh: I started humming that when I clicked the thread..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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