Westbrook36 Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 Originally posted by jpgirth Are you finally acknowledging T O is looking for more money/more guaranteed years. Or are you still buying into the fact that Rosenhaus is into charity.:laugh: The first reports out were speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trimee Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 Originally posted by RedskinzOwnU i love it, i love it, i love it, i love it, I LOVE IT HAHAHA!! Me Too, me too, me too, me too!!!!:eaglesuck :eaglesuck :eaglesuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 Originally posted by Westbrook36 I seriously hope they give him more money upfront. Simply because his contract is so backloaded that the Eagles have several cheap "outs" after the 06 season. Giving him more money upfront and reducing some of the back years will give both sides more security that Owens will be there beyond 06. What's this? The Eagles gave him a backloaded contract? Is this the only way they can afford to keep players? From a thread not too long ago. Originally posted by Westbrook36 He's not worth the ridiculous backloaded deal Snyder signed him to so who's fault is it when he goes!?!?! :doh: If the only way Snyder can afford players is to give them pittens up front and cut them when their cap number becomes too high, even though you'd like to keep them, WHAT EXACTLY DO WE CALL THAT, BOYS AND GIRLS!?!?! :doh: :doh: [/quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpgirth Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 Originally posted by Westbrook36 The first reports out were speculation. Are you that naive to believe he was firing his "family" and hiring Rosenhaus for fun:laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westbrook36 Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 Originally posted by Park City Skins What's this? The Eagles gave him a backloaded contract? Is this the only way they can afford to keep players? From a thread not too long ago. Originally posted by Westbrook36 He's not worth the ridiculous backloaded deal Snyder signed him to so who's fault is it when he goes!?!?! :doh: If the only way Snyder can afford players is to give them pittens up front and cut them when their cap number becomes too high, even though you'd like to keep them, WHAT EXACTLY DO WE CALL THAT, BOYS AND GIRLS!?!?! :doh: :doh: [/quote [/b] You should really practice using code, PCS....you are always messing it up. Anyway, I digress.....the Eagles gave Owens a backloaded deal with huge roster bonus's vice one big signing bonus because they wanted to have outs with him in case the deal didn't work out between the two parties (ie Owens behavior in SF resurfaced). So, to answer the question, the difference in the two situations is the Eagles didn't do it for financial reasons while Snyder does it each and every time for financial reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westbrook36 Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 Originally posted by jpgirth Are you that naive to believe he was firing his "family" and hiring Rosenhaus for fun:laugh: I knew the reason, I just said nothing has been said yet that supported it. I was merely argueing semantics at the time with people who were saying definitively what was happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 Originally posted by Westbrook36 You should really practice using code, PCS....you are always messing it up. Anyway, I digress.....the Eagles gave Owens a backloaded deal with huge roster bonus's vice one big signing bonus because they wanted to have outs with him in case the deal didn't work out between the two parties (ie Owens behavior in SF resurfaced). So, to answer the question, the difference in the two situations is the Eagles didn't do it for financial reasons while Snyder does it each and every time for financial reasons. Consistancy. Practice it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 Originally posted by redman To be precise, they owe exactly one additional win to him. If the "one additional win" you're referring to is the NFC championship game, they don't even owe that win to Owens...he didn't even play in it..lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpgirth Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 Originally posted by Westbrook36 You should really practice using code, PCS....you are always messing it up. Anyway, I digress.....the Eagles gave Owens a backloaded deal with huge roster bonus's vice one big signing bonus because they wanted to have outs with him in case the deal didn't work out between the two parties (ie Owens behavior in SF resurfaced). So, to answer the question, the difference in the two situations is the Eagles didn't do it for financial reasons while Snyder does it each and every time for financial reasons. So why did they do it in Kearse's case. In case the injuries pop up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tr1 Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 TO is Philly's proverbial 'terd in the punch-bowl'...and the crowd has just caught a glimpse. Wait till they start losing...I'm sure TO will be a good loser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 When he sits out mini.. Then training.. Then preseason.. "then they pay him". I'm sure he'll be in perfect form and they will have no doubts about a certain victory... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuck Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 Originally posted by Fred Jones The Eagles owe some of their success last year to him and will not repeat without him next year. I am not saying he will hold out, but he is one of the best in the game and did energize their team last year. He is just asking for what he thinks he is worth. I hate it when players try and use that argument. So if he sucked last year would he return money because he didn't play as well as his salary? He's getting paid plenty. What a selfish A-hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted April 10, 2005 Share Posted April 10, 2005 I just have to know Westbrook... what exactly are describing when you say "outs" in your response and where did you get that from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westbrook36 Posted April 10, 2005 Share Posted April 10, 2005 Outs meaning the Eagles can walk away from Owens (ie cut him) without taking a huge salary cap hit because of the use of roster bonus's vice signing bonus as guaranteed money. -Note- I know he recieved a signing bonus but the Eagles used roster bonus's in addition to give themselves every opportunity to walk away from the Terrell Owens experiment if it went wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted April 10, 2005 Share Posted April 10, 2005 I love it... philthy fans singing his praises all last year... "TO This, TO That" "He's Great" "We Love Him" "No Attitude Problem" Now TO wants a new contract.... Philthy fans... sprinkle garlic on your toes, they'll taste better when your foot is in your mouth :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westbrook36 Posted April 10, 2005 Share Posted April 10, 2005 TO is my favorite player in the NFL. It's April 9th. This is business. I'm not worried. Come September, he'll be catching a td or 2 a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted April 10, 2005 Share Posted April 10, 2005 Originally posted by Westbrook36 TO is my favorite player in the NFL. It's April 9th. This is business. I'm not worried. Come September, he'll be catching a td or 2 a game. Yah... that's what Mariucci said :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted April 10, 2005 Share Posted April 10, 2005 Originally posted by Westbrook36 Outs meaning the Eagles can walk away from Owens (ie cut him) without taking a huge salary cap hit because of the use of roster bonus's vice signing bonus as guaranteed money. -Note- I know he recieved a signing bonus but the Eagles used roster bonus's in addition to give themselves every opportunity to walk away from the Terrell Owens experiment if it went wrong. In other words, the outs are for financial reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westbrook36 Posted April 10, 2005 Share Posted April 10, 2005 Originally posted by Park City Skins In other words, the outs are for financial reasons. If Owens became a personality problem, there wouldn't be a large contract holding the Eagles back from cutting him. In my opinion, the outs are put in the contract to guard for the worst case scenario.....that Owens becomes unmanagable in Philly. If the Eagles gave him lets say a 20 million dollar signing bonus, they simply wouldn't be able to cut him and absorb that hit. The way this differs from normal players and contracts is the fact that the usual reason you want to cut ties from a player is simply their play isn't commensurate with their level of play anymore. If the Eagles cut ties with Owens, it would be for another reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted April 10, 2005 Share Posted April 10, 2005 Originally posted by Westbrook36 If Owens became a personality problem, there wouldn't be a large contract holding the Eagles back from cutting him. In my opinion, the outs are put in the contract to guard for the worst case scenario.....that Owens becomes unmanagable in Philly. If the Eagles gave him lets say a 20 million dollar signing bonus, they simply wouldn't be able to cut him and absorb that hit. The way this differs from normal players and contracts is the fact that the usual reason you want to cut ties from a player is simply their play isn't commensurate with their level of play anymore. If the Eagles cut ties with Owens, it would be for another reason. All sarcasm aside Westbrook, and for my part this is my opinion as well, I still see this a a fundamentally financial decision. The are protecting themselves financially no matter what. I thin it has to do more with TO, no matter how good a shape he is in, being 31 years old and being 34 0r 35 when the money expands. The Eagles, base on recent develpments, are running into the same problem almost any other team in the league do, and that's backloading contracts, no matter what the reason or how it's done. Rosenhaus wouldn't be taking the hard stance if this wasn't true in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted April 10, 2005 Share Posted April 10, 2005 Originally posted by Westbrook36 If Owens became a personality problem, there wouldn't be a large contract holding the Eagles back from cutting him. In my opinion, the outs are put in the contract to guard for the worst case scenario.....that Owens becomes unmanagable in Philly. So what you are saying is that the Eagles will keep TO until he is 37-38 even though he will be a major cap hit by then. Right? Otherwise they are doing the same thing every other team does when they backload a contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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