The Mayor of Fed Ex Field Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 My friend and I are having a disagreement. In my opinion, I beleive Stephan Davis is an elusive running back. My friend is telling me that he is not elusive. Is Stephan Davis an elusive running back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 Absolutely not. The most elusive move Stephen Davis has in his repertoire is the cutback. Davis can't cut on a dime or change direction at top speed. However, for a man his size, he has quick acceleration out of his cuts... but he doesn't make them very often. Davis is a pure North-South runner. 40 to go.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mayor of Fed Ex Field Posted May 1, 2002 Author Share Posted May 1, 2002 Even though the definition of elusive backs up my statment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGDC Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 He's really not that elusive but he still is a beast of a runningback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CounterTre Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 Ya SMooty I wouldn't call him elusive either. When I think of an elusive back I think of someone that can leave someone holding their jock like Sanders could. Davis is speedy for his size, but he doesn't leave people standing in their tracks grabbing for air with regularity. He bowls people over, he doesn't fake em out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yomar Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 He isn't Barry Sanders, but he isn't Earl Campbell either, I'd say he is more of a power back, but he has enough vision and wiggle to break a big gainer at any time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inmate running the asylum Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 Hey, Im used to playing the Devil's Advocate.. So...... Webster's dictionary defines elusive as: "tending to elude; hard to grasp or retain mentally." So if Davis runs north-south and runs over your a-s, I would say he was definitely "hard to grasp" and therefore elusive. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 Hey, hard to argue with that Inmate . But, when you think of elusive as a running back, I don't think you include Davis in that category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 :cuss: Inmate! Had to go and do that didn't ya? See what happens when you sneak out every now and then? That is tough to argue there and it is an attempt to assist the lad. With that said, sorry smoot. Just don't see the guy as being percieved ,(how's that? ), as elusive. Besides, with a nickname like "Big Country", would you want to be? Oh he is fast, for a big guy,, with quick acceleration and fairly quick cut-back move, but not elusive. Elusive running back brings to mind Barry Sanders,(obviously), Joe Washington, Eric Metcalf at his best, and so forth. (I actually almost dated myself by suggesting Mercury Morris, Chuck "spin move" Foreman, ect.. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panel Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 Who needs to be elusive when you can drag 2 broncos’ players on your back for 10 yards. Elusive or not, he will pound the hell out of ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddha Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 There is a standard 3 part test for determining "elusiveness." When opposing teams' fans are watching this RB shred their defenses, do they shout out any one of the following statements? 1. "WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE BREAK THAT LITTLE MOTHER F*CKER'S LEGS OFF?!?!?!?!?" 2. "JUST WAIT UNTIL [insert star defender's name] GETS A GOOD LICK ON THAT LITTLE MOTHER F*CKER CUZ HE WON'T BE GETTING BACK UP AFTER IT!!!" 3. "GOD D@MNIT! GIMME MY PADS AND HELMET AND I'LL KNOCK THE LIVING SH!T OUT OF THAT LITTLE MOTHER F*CKER MYSELF!!!" When you are dealing with a power runner, the reaction is completely different. More humiliation of having their defenders run over than faked out of their jocks. And thankfulness that they weren't the ones out there getting dragged down the field. Not the rampant anger and resentment bred by the "elusive" RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RF4L Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 Sometimes he also finds his grip on the pigskin a bit "elusive", typically at the most inopportune moments. Don'tcha hate it when that happens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riggins44 Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 Davis isn't an elusive running back. He is a very good power runner. Riggins wasn't an elusive back either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeSkin Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 Elusive=Annoying. Elusive=Donovan McNabb, Randall Cunningham, Barry Sanders, Michael Vick, etc. Elusive players are the ones you just want to smack, because they're so damn annoying. You think you have them, and then BAM! They're gone. That Eagles game a couple years ago where McNabb beat us single handedly is a perfect example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSkins Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 While he can make the 1st defender miss (sometimes), elusive in my mind is making the 2nd and 3rd defender miss. It's a big thing to be elusive, and only a handful of RB's in the league are right now: Faulk, Holmes, Martin, etc. Davis isn't elusive, no, but he's still an elite back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rat_Boy Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 That is a hard question to answer because everyone has a different mental picture of an ellusive back. Emmitt Smith and Barry Sanders are ellusive backs. Stephen Davis is a POWER running back, with a taste, all be it small, of speed. So, maybe you can tell your friend that Emmitt and Barry are move/speedy ellusive backs. But Davis is a POWER ellusive back. (You and your friend are actually arguing over wether he is ellusive? Geez) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RF4L Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 Sorry 'bout my smart a$$ answer earlier. It's the alcohol, you know. Anyway, Stephen Davis = power runner. Barry Sanders = elusive runner. There you have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonBlaze Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 Stephen Davis runs like a bowling ball. He hits something, then moves on his way. I haven't seen him juke someone out his jockstrap in a long time. Barry Sanders was more then elusive, he was a freak of nature. Marshall Faulk is the best blend of power of elusiveness. What makes him good is his ability to make people miss and at the same time not lose any speed. Stephen Davis cannot do that. Once the big rig is moving, it's tough to put on the brakes and head another direction. Wouldn't have it any other way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboykilla Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 Yeah Orange, I'll give you the fact that Donovan McNabb is elusive, but ITS EASY TO BE ELUSIVE WHEN YOU HAVE THE WORST TACKLING SAFETY IN THE GAME (Matt Stevens) TRYING TO TACKLE YOU!!! UUUUUGGGGGHHHHHHH! That guy seriously made me crazy. Him and "The Sheriff". These are the players who contribute to the overall elusiveness of mcnabb, sanders, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. D Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 Within the context of football skills Stephen Davis is Hardly elusive. An elusive football player is one that never takes a direct hit. One that uses multiple cuts when legging out a run. An elusive runner makes use of plenty of Ab-libbing (sometimes to his own detriment). Stephen Davis is a ONE CUT RUNNER, with tremendous size and speed. He also takes alot of hits. Terry Allen with size and faster would be the best analogy. Terry Allen was hardly elusive, but, Had a knack for avoiding full on collisions. examples of elusive runners: Barry Sanders(poster child), Charlie Garner, Ricky Watters, Edgerrin James, Joe Washington, etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theposse Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 I would just add that in addition to being a power runner, Davis does a very good job of finding the hole and hitting it at the right time. But no, he's not elusive. When he gets past the line of scrimmage and into the secondary, he's much more likely to use the stiff arm rather than just juke the hell out of somebody, like Sanders or Faulk would. And he's also generally not able to make any crazy move to get around someone who gets into the backfield early like elusive backs sometimes can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otdoggpound Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 Stephen Davis is a terd with legs. I can not wait until Betts gets his chance.:puke: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rat_Boy Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 What the hell are you talking about? :high: here, have a nother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 "Stephen Davis is a terd with legs". Whoa! It would appear rat, that someone is not real happy with old #48. I would second your answer with the additon of having a to along with :high: . pound, what is that all about ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rat_Boy Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 Well, I am praying that that was a sad attempt at sarcasm. But who knows. I am awaiting a response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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