Saint Joe Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 Clinton rushed for 1315 with a 3.8 yards per carry average. Did we need to trade the best cornerback in the league along with a second round pick to get a 3.8 yards per carry back? 3.8 yards per carry by the highest-paid running back in league history. Couldn't we have gotten the 3.8 average from Ladell Betts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TODD Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 Very original question :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pr11fan Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 The problem wasn't giving up Champ for Portis, the problem was overestimating the talent on the interior of the o-line and thinking we could open up holes to get him to the 2nd level as well as thinking just b/c he is a great rb he would be a good fit for some of our slower developing running plays. I like having CP as a redskin, but given the playcalling and style of offense I have to wonder if maybe we should've taken denver's 1st for Champ and drafted Steven Jackson, who would've been a great fit for this offense imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 Originally posted by pr11fan The problem wasn't giving up Champ for Portis, the problem was overestimating the talent on the interior of the o-line and thinking we could open up holes to get him to the 2nd level as well as thinking just b/c he is a great rb he would be a good fit for some of our slower developing running plays. I like having CP as a redskin, but given the playcalling and style of offense I have to wonder if maybe we should've taken denver's 1st for Champ and drafted Steven Jackson, who would've been a great fit for this offense imo. I really like this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuji869 Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 Champ was not going to resign with the Redskins and IMHO franchising him would have resulted in a long hold out. Portis is having growing pains in the new system just like Champ is having in Denver. Time will tell who go the better end but so far it looks even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pr11fan Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 Let me add we still would've had our 2nd round pick and could've used it on someone like Jake Grove who was still available when Denver used our pick. :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. S Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 Steven Jackson may have been a better back now in hindsight. Oh well. Im still glad we have Portis, just our line needs to get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor The Invincible Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 The answer, of course, is yes. We could have probably done more with less, in my opinion. While Portis is a great back in his own respect, he isn't a great fit for this offense. Portis doesn't have a great deal of patience, and in conjunction with a blocking scheme that doesn't really fit him, has prevented real consistant running games. The scheme has to be looked at in the offseason, because Portis won't change his running style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westbrook36 Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 I thought the proposed deal on the table for Lamont Jordan was an absolute steal for you guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins4SB Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 Anthony Becht and an unproven RB? I would of declined that deal too. Don't get me wrong, Jordan does have potential but how good would he of done with this line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty Gut Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 I wonder if Gibbs will match the offense to the players we have (i.e. Portis), or trade Portis and get the type of RB he wants (to the fit offense he wants to run). I personally can't decide what type of RB is best in the NFL. The 200-210 pound RB that can outrun tackles, or the 230+ pound RB that can break tackles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtyler42 Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 Originally posted by Westbrook36 I thought the proposed deal on the table for Lamont Jordan was an absolute steal for you guys. What was it...I think Lamont Jordan, Anthony Becht and Shawn Ellis for Champ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westbrook36 Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 Jordan just keeps averaging over 5 yards per carry every year. Weren't THEY throwing in a pick and leaving you with your 2nd as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mookie0720 Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 Your post went wrong when you said we traded the best CB in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pr11fan Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 Originally posted by Westbrook36 I thought the proposed deal on the table for Lamont Jordan was an absolute steal for you guys. I think the biggest problem with that deal is if I remember correctly that just about everyone the jets were offering was entering a contract year, don't like that at all. In retrospect I would've killed to have had SJ and Jake Grove, but our FO made their bed and now they have to lie in it. It's up to Gibbs to set things up for CP, he should've known he wasn't getting a Riggins type of back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtyler42 Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 Originally posted by Mittens I wonder if Gibbs will match his offense to the players we have (i.e. Portis), or trade Portis and get the type of RB he wants. I've thought about the trade Portis thing but we cant do that b/c we paid him to much money and it would mess up our cap...+ we need to give him more time to develop into a Joe Gibbs back, he is only like 23 or 24 which is young for a RB... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins4SB Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 Troy Hambrick was averaging well over 4 a pop when he backed up Emmitt in Dallas. Backups tend to have high ypc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 the answer is yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtyler42 Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 Originally posted by bubba9497 the answer is yes Yes to what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty Gut Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 Originally posted by Westbrook36 Jordan just keeps averaging over 5 yards per carry every year. Weren't THEY throwing in a pick and leaving you with your 2nd as well? 2001 ... 7.5 YPC 2002 ... 3.8 YPC 2003 ... 4.1 YPC 2004 ... 5.3 YPC I remind you he has been spelling Curtis Martin and that the Jets' offensive line is superior to ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aikmans Killer No.56 Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 Best corner in the leage? :laugh: :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEvilGeniuz Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 i forgot all about champ till you brought it up. our CBs are the best in league baby ! SMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT !!! SPRINGSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty Gut Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 Originally posted by jtyler42 I've thought about the trade Portis thing but we cant do that b/c we paid him to much money and it would mess up our cap...+ we need to give him more time to develop into a Joe Gibbs back, he is only like 23 or 24 which is young for a RB... I don't believe in that "can't trade" talk. If finding a player that fits your team better than the one you currently have means having some dead money for a year or two, then it's worth it. As in develop do you mean get bigger? How else would Portis be a Gibbs type back? If Portis doesn't put on weight, then Gibbs needs to run a Portis style offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pr11fan Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 Champ's talent level really is irrelevant, what is relevant is what other teams were perceiving to be his worth, it is fact that we could've had denver's 1st for Champ, I don't know if we could've had a higher 1st for him, but assume that deal was done, would you trade Portis for Jackson/K. Jones & Grove. or better yet would you trade Portis for Vernon Carey and any one of Julius Jones, Tatum Bell, or Jake Grove. All could've been possibilites and we wouldn't have even had to give up Taylor. Pretty sickening at this point if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cool Hand Loki Posted December 29, 2004 Share Posted December 29, 2004 Steven Jackson? Are you joking? The only back who would have done significantly better behind this line is Jim Brown. Get real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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