Oakland Contacts Skins About Trading Up

[goldenster95]

From an article by Len Pasqua-fatty . . .

Little wonder that the Oakland Raiders, right in the thick of the first-round no-man's land with the No. 21 and No. 23 choices overall, are burning up the phone lines attempting to deal to about the middle of the first stanza. Oakland officials Thursday morning phoned the Washington Redskins, who have the 18th choice, to lay the groundwork for a possible move up the board. The Redskins are hardly the only team that's heard from the Raiders.

Oakland also phoned the Atlanta Falcons, who have the 17th overall choice, to gauge their interest in a possible trade. The irony in a Raiders call to Washington is that, in addition to an interest in dealing down in the first round, the Redskins are also exploring chances of moving up for a shot at Oregon quarterback Joey Harrington.

Redskins owner Dan Snyder has been personally calling teams - he offered Cincinnati his first- and second-round choices for the 10th pick overall, contingent on Harrington being available at that spot - both above and below him. So up or down? At this point, not even Washington officials know which way they'll go, or whether they'll stay put. Little wonder that the Oakland Raiders, right in the thick of the first-round no-man's land with the No. 21 and No. 23 choices overall, are burning up the phone lines attempting to deal to about the middle of the first stanza. Oakland officials Thursday morning phoned the Washington Redskins, who have the 18th choice, to lay the groundwork for a possible move up the board. The Redskins are hardly the only team that's heard from the Raiders.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfldraft/columnist?id=1370683

[The Evil Genius]

Hmmm... well suppose the Raiders offered their 2 or 3rd round choice along with either the 21 and 23 pick in Round 1.

Then the Skins offered the Bungholes (or whoever) new 1st, along with either the recently obtained Raiders 2nd or their own 2nd pick. This would be doen if Harrington was their.

That would mean the Skins got Harringon, still had a 2nd or (from the Raiders) a third round pick.

Does this sound less taxing that trading the rounds 1 and 2 pick for Harringon?

:gus: <-- Funny how this icon is named gus :laugh:

[Larry]

Just like all of the (hundreds of) rumors we're gonna hear today, the deal's in the details.

If they're offering their second pick, just to move from #21 to #18, then I'll take that deal now, without knowing who's left at that slot. This draft has 4 great DTs, 2 great OGs, a couple of QBs that ought to be around there, and several other players we don't need as bad, but wouldn't mind. (Where's Steve's current QB and WR projected to go?) What are the odds that all of the guys on our "needs" list will go between #18 and #21?

And I think it's a safe bet that we can find two guys in the late second round that we wouldn't mind having.

If they're offering a third or fourth to move up, then you might want to wait and see who's on the board. Granted, you run the risk that whoever Al Davis wants might disappear, and the deal goes away. (Or, somebody in front of you will take the deal).

[Darth Tater]

What would it take to get a 10?

I'm thinking, swap our first for the raider's 1st and 2nd. Now package that first with our 2nd to move up to pick 10. Then we have what the number of picks we started with. Main problem is that seems awful cheap for a 1-10. To do something like this, what else would we have to throw in to sweeten the package?

[@DCGoldPants]

**** Harrington. Take the trade down for both of the Raiders 1st rounders......then take a Either a OG/DT then Ramsey. Then in the 2nd round get a DT and bow out for day 1 with 3 solid picks.

[JoeSkins]

Al Davis isn't going to give up his 2nd rounder to move up 3/5 slots. Just because Snyder is dumb enough to offer up our draft to move up doesn't mean the Raiders are. If a deal is made, there will be a swap of first-rounders and a fourth or lower. Don't expect us to walk away with an extra 2nd or 3rd round pick, because if that happens, not only will I be ecstatic, but the Raider organization is a poor judge of pick value.

[@DCGoldPants]

The Raiders have cap issues and won't be able to afford a lot of high round players. If Davis were smart, he'd trade a lot of those picks for the future. That's why I think he'd part with a 2nd rounder.

[Fiddler]

Let's try to callibrate this, shall we? The Bucs gave up a 2nd last year to move up 7 spots to take Walker. But that was only to the 14th position. I think it would take a bit more for us to move up 8 spots to #10. To move down 3 spots, no way we could get a second, unless Al Davis panics.

[bulldog]

This draft does not have the kind of depth to it that others in recent memory have. After the first 10-12 picks, you have as good a shot at #25 as at #15 to snag a quality player.

The difference? The bonuses get a WHOLE lot smaller after picks in the teens.

You get a guy at #25 or #26 in the first round and his bonus dollars are not going to swamp your cap in future years.

If you move up and draft Harrington and he is either a bust or a mild disappointment, welcome back to salary cap hell in a couple of years when we have to go find another starting qb.

[redman]

I disagree bulldog with the amount of depth. It extends beyond 12 to around 16 or 17. In other words, we're right on the threshhold. However, many of those players are just not very interesting to us. The CB's and the RB's for example hold little interest. Even the WR's are of questionable value to us given the spotty history of success that first round WR's have and given the fact that we have no one who has proven he can throw to WR's in the NFL.

Anyway, all this talk is just groundwork for draft day. The Raiders, like us, are hoping that a specific player or players are available, and so they want to have a trade up to fit that scenario if it happens. Otherwise, they'll never trade to simply move up 3-5 spots on the theory that in the abstract they stand a better chance of landing talent.

[NavyDave]

Trade with Oakland if the top 4 DTs are gone then select Gurode who can pass block and run block while Fonoti has run blcking skills but will hurt us for now in pass protection.

[Darth Tater]

I'm guessing that Oakland wont pull the trigger on that trade unless one of the big four is available or its done before the draft starts.