afparent Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 Jacoby, Grimm, and Monk still alive!!!! Modern-Era Semi-Finalists for the Class of 2005 November 19, 2004 Former All-Pro quarterbacks Dan Marino and Steve Young are among the several first-year eligible players who head the list of 25 semi-finalists for the Pro Football Hall of Fame's Class of 2005. The semi-finalists were chosen by the Hall of Fame's Board of Selectors from the recently announced list of 90 preliminary nominees. The list of 25 semi-finalists will be reduced by mail ballot to 13 modern-era candidates. That list will then increase to 15 finalist nominees with the inclusion of the two recommended candidates of the Hall of Fame's Senior Committee. This year's Seniors Committee nominees, who were announced in August, are two of pro football's early pioneers - Benny Friedman and Fritz Pollard. The Seniors Committee reviews the qualifications of those players, coaches, and contributors whose careers took place more than 25 years ago. The list of 15 finalists for the Class of 2005 will be announced in mid-January. The list of 25 modern-era semi-finalists includes: Harry Carson LB 1976-1988 New York Giants Don Coryell Coach 1973-1977 St. Louis Cardinals, 1978-1986 San Diego Chargers Fred Dean DE 1975-1981 San Diego Chargers, 1981-1985 San Francisco 49ers Richard Dent DE 1983-1993, 1995 Chicago Bears, 1994 San Francisco 49ers, 1996 Indianapolis Colts, 1997 Philadelphia Eagles Chris Doleman DE/LB 1985-1993, 1999 Minnesota Vikings, 1994-1995 Atlanta Falcons, 1996-1998 San Francisco 49ers Randy Gradishar LB 1974-1983 Denver Broncos L. C. Greenwood DE 1969-1981 Pittsburgh Steelers Russ Grimm G 1981-1991 Washington Redskins Ray Guy P 1973-1986 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders Charles Haley DE/LB 1986-1991, 1999 San Francisco 49ers, 1992-1996 Dallas Cowboys Lester Hayes CB 1977-1986 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders Claude Humphrey DE 1968-1974, 1976-1978 Atlanta Falcons, 1979-1981 Philadelphia Eagles Michael Irvin WR 1988-1999 Dallas Cowboys Joe Jacoby T 1981-1993 Washington Redskins Bob Kuechenberg G 1970-1984 Miami Dolphins Dan Marino QB 1983-1999 Miami Dolphins Art Modell Owner 1961-1995 Cleveland Browns, 1996-2003 Baltimore Ravens Art Monk WR 1980-1993 Washington Redskins, 1994 New York Jets, 1995 Philadelphia Eagles Ken Stabler QB 1970-1979 Oakland Raiders, 1980-1981 Houston Oilers, 1982-1984 New Orleans Saints Derrick Thomas LB 1989-1999 Kansas City Chiefs Roger Wehrli CB 1969-1982 St. Louis Cardinals Ralph Wilson, Jr. Owner 1959-current Buffalo Bills George Young GM/Administrator 1979-1997 New York Giants, 1998-2001 National Football League Steve Young QB 1985-1986 Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 1987-1999 San Francisco 49ers Gary Zimmerman T 1986-1992 Minnesota Vikings, 1993-1997 Denver Broncos To be considered for election to the Pro Football Hall of Fame, a nominated player must have been retired at least five years. For a non-player, there is not a mandatory retirement period, but a coach must be retired before he may be considered. A contributor, who is a nominee who has made outstanding contributions to pro football in capacities other than playing and coaching, may still be active in his pro football career. The Class of 2005 will be determined at the Selection Committee's annual meeting on Saturday February 5, 2005, in Jacksonville, Florida, the day before Super Bowl XXXIX. The election results are announced immediately following the meeting at a press conference at the media headquarters. Hall of Fame bylaws stipulate that between three and six new members will be selected each year. http://www.profootballhof.com//enshrinement//release.jsp?release_id=1338 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riggins44 Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 I just don't like Monk's odds. He should've been in long ago. Steve Young is a media darling, so you know he'll be one of them, along with Marino. That leaves at most 4 positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 There are many deserving candidates on that list, IMO. When you get that many, it tends to split the vote and we'll probably end up seeing only 1 or 2 get in besides Marino and Young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 The HOF is a joke. There is no question that Monk belongs is some of those other receivers that are in already are worthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aikmans Killer No.56 Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 Yeah, who was that receiver that got in a few years ago? Can't remember his name, but he played for the Bills in the superbowl against us. I just remember not being that impressed with him. How can that guy be in there and not Monk?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkey66 Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 I am not going to get my hopes up over Monks chances... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 I have a question which I think is valid. Do you think that because Steve Young is on the show with Irvin that there might be pressure to put them both in? I mean, I think Steve Young is a first ballot inductee, and on merit, but I have a feeling since they are partners on ESPN, it might cause there to be unfair bias just to tag Irvin along with him. Russ Grimm should be in no doubt, that would be just another travesty if he wasn't to make it. Jacoby, well I was too young to be able to judge him really. I have seen footage, and know he was a hog, but I have also heard people say, including people on this board say, that he is one of those players that might have turned out average if it was not for Gibbs & Bugel "coaching him up" I dunno, he was just a little before my time. Art Monk, well he better get in dammit. No reason for Michael Irvin to be in there before Monk......NONE WHATSOEVER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 Originally posted by Aikmans Killer No.56 Yeah, who was that receiver that got in a few years ago? Can't remember his name, but he played for the Bills in the superbowl against us. I just remember not being that impressed with him. How can that guy be in there and not Monk?! Andre Reed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimster Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 Marino and Young will get in 1st try. Monk obviuosly deserves it, especially after watching receivers who played shorter careers with smaller numbers get in. Coryell desrves to be and I think this could be his year. ..I could see Charles Haley getting in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gridironmike Posted November 27, 2004 Share Posted November 27, 2004 If Irvin gets in (period) and especially before Monk, I would like to organize the biggest boo-bird festival in the history of HOF inductions. Who would like to join me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Williams Posted November 27, 2004 Share Posted November 27, 2004 ....I see 4-5 locks........I guess monk has a shot.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted November 27, 2004 Share Posted November 27, 2004 The Bills receiver was James Lofton. Monk should be in this year, just like he should have been in in years past. But he won't be, thanks to people like Peter Queen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted November 27, 2004 Share Posted November 27, 2004 Loftons Career numbers 764 14004 18.3 75 Lofton made the pro bowl with these numbers: 46 818 17.8 6 Art Monks carre numbers 940 12721 13.5 68 Monk DID NOT make the pro bowl with these numbers: 86 1186 13.8 8 71 1049 14.8 8 Lofton did make it to the Pro bowl 8 times to Monks 3 times but there were at least 3 seasons that Lofton shouldnt have gone but did and at least 2 that Monk didnt but should have. Lofton gets in the HOF because he was a deep threat receiver on teams who threw the ball deep but Monk doesnt get in because he was on teams that used him primarily to keep the chains moving but he was much more consistant than Lofton ever was. Monks teams won 3 Super bowls, Lofton has no rings. If the rings are enough to get average receivers like Lynn Swann (336 5462 16.3 51) John Stallworth (537 8723 16.2 63) both on the same teams that won 4 super bowls then at least one of our receivers who put up better numbers should get in as well. Every offensive skill position from the 70's Steelers teams are represented in the HOF while we only have one player in and he was only there for one of our SB wins. The Steelers werent nearly as dominamt in their SB wins as we were. They squeeked by Dallas in 2 of their wins and of the 4 games the biggest win was 12 points in a game they were losing until the 4th quarter. Adding a couple of 4 point SB wins and a 10 point win against the Vikings shouldnt mean that they get 10 HOFers and we only get 1 should it? Well thats what it is right now. All I'm saying is that if a guy like Lynn Swann who averaged 2-3 receptions a game for 40 yards over his career and contributed nothing to one of their SB wins as well, then why cant Monk get in with much better numbers and having held several league records? Peter Queens gripe is that he wasn't that good and that he was injured for one of the SB wins. Well thats better than being there and contribltung nothing but a couple dropped balls. And for someone who is not that good, its odd that he held several NFL receiving records for a few years. John stallworth gets in even though his best years were after they finished winning SB's. Between 74-79 Stallworth had 200 receptions for 31TD's. :wavetowel In otherwords, 33 receptions and 5 TD's a year are enough to get a Steelers receiver in the hof. :pooh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FullbackIsKey Posted November 27, 2004 Share Posted November 27, 2004 - L. C. Greenwood DE 1969-1981 Pittsburgh Steelers - Lester Hayes CB 1977-1986 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders - Dan Marino QB 1983-1999 Miami Dolphins - Art Monk WR 1980-1993 Washington Redskins, 1994 New York Jets, 1995 Philadelphia Eagles - Steve Young QB 1985-1986 Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 1987-1999 San Francisco 49ers This is who I think will probably make it into the hall this year. Maybe Ken Stabler, but he wasn't good until his twilight years, and maybe Art Modell, but how do you vote for a guy who moved the Browns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted November 27, 2004 Share Posted November 27, 2004 I hope you're right, but I doubt you will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txkid Posted November 27, 2004 Share Posted November 27, 2004 My prediction for 2005: Carson, Coryell, Greenwood, Marino, Young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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