@DCGoldPants Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 I'm so sick of Fox and their Liberal reporting. Makes me sick! http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,122680,00.html 'Fahrenheit 9/11' Gets Standing Ovation Tuesday, June 15, 2004 By Roger Friedman 'Fahrenheit 9/11' Gets Standing Ovation The crowd that gave Michael Moore's controversial "Fahrenheit 9/11" documentary a standing ovation last night at the Ziegfeld Theater premiere certainly didn't have to be encouraged to show their appreciation. From liberal radio host/writer Al Franken to actor/director Tim Robbins, Moore was in his element. But once "F9/11" gets to audiences beyond screenings, it won't be dependent on celebrities for approbation. It turns out to be a really brilliant piece of work, and a film that members of all political parties should see without fail. As much as some might try to marginalize this film as a screed against President George Bush, "F9/11" — as we saw last night — is a tribute to patriotism, to the American sense of duty — and at the same time a indictment of stupidity and avarice. Readers of this column may recall that I had a lot of problems with Moore's "Bowling for Columbine," particularly where I thought he took gratuitous shots at helpless targets such as Charlton Heston. "Columbine" too easily succeeded by shooting fish in a barrel, as they used to say. Not so with "F9/11," which instead relies on lots of film footage and actual interviews to make its case against the war in Iraq and tell the story of the intertwining histories of the Bush and bin Laden families. First, I know you want to know who came to the Ziegfeld, so here is a partial list: Besides Franken and Robbins, Al Sharpton, Mike Myers, Tony Bennett, Glenn Close, Gretchen Mol (newly married over the weekend to director Todd Williams), Lori Singer, Tony Kushner, "Angela's Ashes" author Frank McCourt, Jill Krementz and Kurt Vonnegut, Lauren Bacall (chatting up a fully refurbished Lauren Hutton), Richard Gere, John McEnroe and Patti Smythe, former U.N. ambassador Richard Holbrooke, Carson Daly, NBC's Jeff Zucker, a very pregnant Rory Kennedy, playwright Israel Horovitz, Macaulay Culkin, Philip Seymour Hoffman, Kyra Sedgwick, Linda Evangelista, Ed Bradley, Tom and Meredith Brokaw, director Barry Levinson, NBC anchor Brian Williams, Vernon Jordan, Eva Mendes, Sandra Bernhard and the always humorous Joy Behar. If that's not enough, how about Yoko Ono, accompanied by her son, Sean, who's let his hair grow out and is now sporting a bushy beard that makes him look like his late, beloved father John Lennon? And then, just to show you how much people wanted to see this film, there was Martha Stewart, looking terrific. I mean, talk about an eclectic group! Now, unless you've been living under a rock, you know that this movie has been the cause of a lot of trouble. Miramax and Disney have gone to war over it, and "The Passion of the Christ" seems like "Mary Poppins" in retrospect. Before anyone's even seen it, there have been partisan debates over which way Moore may have spun this or that to get a desired effect. But, really, in the end, not seeing "F9/11" would be like allowing your First Amendment rights to be abrogated, no matter whether you're a Republican or a Democrat. The film does Bush no favors, that's for sure, but it also finds an unexpectedly poignant and universal groove in the story of Lila Lipscombe, a Flint, Mich., mother who sends her kids into the Army for the opportunities it can provide — just like the commercials say — and lives to regret it. Lipscombe's story is so powerful, and so completely middle-American, that I think it will take Moore's critics by surprise. She will certainly move to tears everyone who encounters her. "F9/11" isn't perfect, and of course, there are leaps of logic sometimes. One set piece is about African-American congressmen and women presenting petitions on the Florida recount, and wondering why there are no senators to support them. Indeed, those absent senators include John Kerry, Hillary Clinton and Ted Kennedy, among others, which Moore does not elaborate upon. At no point are liberals or Democrats taken to task for not supporting these elected officials, and I would have liked to have seen that. On the other hand, there are more than enough moments that seemed to resonate with the huge Ziegfeld audience. The most indelible is Bush's reaction to hearing on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, that the first plane had crashed into the World Trade Center. Bush was reading to a grade-school class in Florida at that moment. Instead of jumping up and leaving, he instead sat in front of the class, with an unfortunate look of confusion, for nearly 11 minutes. Moore obtained the footage from a teacher at the school who videotaped the morning program. There Bush sits, with no access to his advisers, while New York is being viciously attacked. I guarantee you that no one who sees this film forgets this episode. More than even "The Passion of the Christ," "F9/11" is going to be a "see it for yourself" movie when it hits theaters on June 25. It simply cannot be missed, and I predict it will be a huge moneymaker. And that's where Disney's Michael Eisner comes in. Not releasing this film will turn out to be the curse of his career. When Eisner came into Disney years ago, the studio was at a low point. He turned it around with a revived animation department and comedy hits such as "Pretty Woman" and "Down and Out in Beverly Hills." But Eisner's short-sightedness on many recent matters has been his undoing. And this last misadventure is one that will follow him right out the doors of the Magic Kingdom. Jacko: Will Sony-BMG Merger Save Him? The proposed merger of Sony Music and Bertelsmann Music Group may wind up saving Michael Jackson. I have known for some time that Jackson's advisers had come up with a plan under which Jackson's 50 percent ownership of Sony/ATV Music Publishing could be used as leverage in a plan to extricate the beleaguered pop star from his financial straits. Now, because Sony might be forced to sell off its publishing unit in order to merge with BMG, the likelihood of that scenario stronger than ever. Recently the proposed merger of the two music giants met with frowns from European regulators who saw the combining of the conglomerates as a huge monopoly. One way out would be for the companies to sell their publishing units in order to win approvals here and abroad for their plan. In the end, Jackson could wind up owning a merged version of Sony/ATV and BMG Music Publishing. Sources tell me this is the newest plan on the drawing board and one that would resolve at long last Jackson's huge financial loans and massive debt pertaining to what is commonly known as the Beatles catalogue. The songs of John Lennon and Paul McCartney are the core of Sony/ATV Music Publishing, but Jackson has used his 50 percent ownership as collateral for over $200 million in loans. Thanks to the Sony BMG merger, Michael may finally have a way of paying back that loan, plus another $150 million, all to Bank of America. Needless to say, Bank of America execs are probably whistling "We Can Work It Out" to each other. A third publisher, not presently owned by either company, could also be involved, I am told. Earlier, Jackson had hopes of using his stake in Warner/Chappell Music for a similar deal, but that fell through when the owners of Warner Music decided not to sell their publishing company. The third publisher — whom I cannot yet name — would then combine to put Jackson and his publishing adviser, veteran Charles Koppelman, in a unique position. One problem, I am told, is that Jackson is totally unaware of the daily strategizing by his legal advisers and financiers with regard to Sony/ATV. He is utterly clueless, in fact, about what really goes on in his financial life. There has been almost no communication for quite some time between him and John Branca, the music attorney who manages to keep track of Michael's Sony situation and hold all the elements together. And where is Michael? For the last couple of weeks Jackson has been back in Florida, staying in Miami and spending a fortune while the mansion he rented in Beverly Hills sits empty. The rental agreement on that house runs out on June 30, with Jackson still spending no time at his Neverland Ranch or "in the community of Santa Maria" where his trial is scheduled to begin in September. Davis Triggers Velvet Revolver Wouldn't you like to be Clive Davis? I know I would at this point. Davis' latest hit, the first album by supergroup Velvet Revolver, will be No. 1 this week with almost 350,000 copies sold. The album appears on the RCA label, which came under Davis' purview when he took over BMG North America earlier this year after making his J Records a huge success following his unpleasant easing-out from Arista Records. Velvet Revolver comprises Slash, Duff McKagan and Matt Sorum from Guns N' Roses and Scott Weiland of Stone Temple Pilots, as well as David Kushner of L.A. punk vets Wasted Youth. The wittily titled album, "Contraband," is a return to regular old rock 'n' roll, with lots of slicing guitars and heavy drums. As a concept, it hearkens back to Asia, the supergroup of the late '80s. As a hit, it's something that every record executive will wish they thought of. Davis isn't the only one getting hits these days, even though it sure seems like it. Over at Epic Records' Or Music division, Los Lonely Boys are the breakthrough story of the year, jumping from No. 26 to No. 10. Larry Miller and Michael Caplan really built this little label up from nothing. Many congrats to them. Now they should sign Maine's hot Vacationland and really show the record business how it's done! Meantime, just circling back to Sorum: He replaced Steve Adler in Guns N' Roses after Adler was fired. Now that story is one I'd like to hear one day. I'm told there is still a record executive out there, then an entertainment lawyer, who had a hand in changing Adler's life. 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Kilmer17 Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 wow, with that crowd I wouldnt expect it at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 It may be an excellent movie, but keep in mind this is the same crowd that just recently gave a standing ovation to Roman Polanski. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiefhogskin48 Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 So according to this article, not paying top see this movie is like abrogating my first amendment rights? I can honestly say I will never watch this movie. If I want a documentary I'll turn on A&E for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakkhim Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 It's going to be a great movie, and I'm looking forward to seeing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpillian Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 Originally posted by Rock-Bufford 'Fahrenheit 9/11' Gets Standing Ovation ...More than even "The Passion of the Christ," "F9/11" is going to be a "see it for yourself" movie when it hits theaters on June 25. It simply cannot be missed, and I predict it will be a huge moneymaker. Hmmmm...movie on the greatest event in the history of the world, vs. movie on conspiracy theories that will be forgotten in 6 months Certainly a startlingly predictive analysis by Mr. Friedman there. Kuddos! :puke: Thanks for the post though, Rock -- I would have missed this article normally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brown 43 Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 I will never pay for this scumbags movies, ever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phishhead Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 Originally posted by Drakkhim It's going to be a great movie, and I'm looking forward to seeing it. Your damned skippy. I'm thinking of going to see it opening day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cskin Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 I think I'd prefer to watch paint dry or straighten my stereo speakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy-the-Greek Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 The most indelible is Bush's reaction to hearing on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, that the first plane had crashed into the World Trade Center. Bush was reading to a grade-school class in Florida at that moment. Instead of jumping up and leaving, he instead sat in front of the class, with an unfortunate look of confusion, for nearly 11 minutes. Moore obtained the footage from a teacher at the school who videotaped the morning program. There Bush sits, with no access to his advisers, while New York is being viciously attacked. I guarantee you that no one who sees this film forgets this episode. Can this be true? I never heard this before. This scares the hell out of me. Why the delay in getting out of that school and getting to a secure location and acquireing info on the move? This makes me wonder what would happen if we got hit with a surprise from China? Does anyone know the amount of time between the first and second hit on the towers? I would also like to see what happened after that first 11 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SkinsHokie Fan Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 Is it a documentary or another fictionmentary of Moore's? Is some lawyer going to come out a few months later with over 100 innaccuracies in the movie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaSkinsNut Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 Just more liberal slanted trash from Moore. Of course the democrat slanted media will treat this movie like its the next gosphel. *bleh* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkey66 Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 Originally posted by Tommy-the-Greek Can this be true? I never heard this before. This scares the hell out of me. Why the delay in getting out of that school and getting to a secure location and acquireing info on the move? I have heard of this before, in fact I thought someone here posted about it a while back. Here is an article at a non friendly Bush site: http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/bush-911.htm This site states it was 5 minutes, but Moore's film says it was 11. And that is exactly why I despise Michael Moore. Not because of his politics, but because he is a liar who claims to be a documentary filmmaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted June 16, 2004 Author Share Posted June 16, 2004 In the movie I believe they show Bush just sitting there. You time it. I don't know how long.....but based on that link...it looks like he was told to just relax. What's the difference though? Is 5 min really acceptable? Why wasn't he yanked away and talking to him people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkey66 Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 Originally posted by Rock-Bufford What's the difference though? Is 5 min really acceptable? Why wasn't he yanked away and talking to him people? My point is that if Moore lies / distorts something as relatively small as that (in terms of this film), what else is he lying / distorting? My critique is of Moore as a supposedly honest filmmaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted June 16, 2004 Author Share Posted June 16, 2004 relatively small? Did you go to that site and watch it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkey66 Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 To be more clear: relatively small in terms of the film itself. The film is not just about Bush sitting in a classroom on the morning of 911. It covers Iraq, 9-11, Bin Laden Bush connections, congressmen not sending their own kids to war etc... numerous topics. So if Moore is going to distort a relatively small point in the film, I wonder what else he is distorting in this film. That is my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted June 16, 2004 Author Share Posted June 16, 2004 well....we'll see what gets debunked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 Can this be true? I never heard this before. This scares the hell out of me. Why the delay in getting out of that school and getting to a secure location and acquireing info on the move? This makes me wonder what would happen if we got hit with a surprise from China? Does anyone know the amount of time between the first and second hit on the towers? I would also like to see what happened after that first 11 minutes. [/b] I would keep in mind that the notion we were under attack wasn't quite evident after the first plane hit. At that point, one could speculate that it was an accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brown 43 Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 Stu, exactly! That's why this num-nut's movie's are bulls&$%! When I heard a plane went into the 1st tower, I wasn't thinking a terrorist attack. What was he supposed to do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 Relax, guys. We all know Dubya is a slow reader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomerics Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 Originally posted by Stu I would keep in mind that the notion we were under attack wasn't quite evident after the first plane hit. At that point, one could speculate that it was an accident. Card told him after the second plane hit. . . Anyone read any stories about some goats lateley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 Yawn What a joke There is no way this anti american propaganda I hate Bush movie s going to be on par with the greatest movie of the millineum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted June 16, 2004 Author Share Posted June 16, 2004 where were you people? after the 2nd plane hit....my office went semi nuts. we heard everything from a Plane hitting the Pentagon...to the State Dept....Washington Memorial.....etc. It was madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 Originally posted by chomerics Card told him after the second plane hit. . . Anyone read any stories about some goats lateley? Even if that was the case (which I don't dispute), what was he supposed to do? Run out of the room in hysterics. At that point, all of the necessary actions were being taken behind the scenes from getting himself and other leadership into safe places to getting the military "locked and ****ed" to retaliate if necessary. But I suppose the strategic military mind of Michael Moore would have reacted much quicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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