bsmsss Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 just wondering do we have our rb on the team right now i remember the skins had no name rbs skip hicks and stephen davis--the skins opened up the compitition between the 2 in july for the starting job--well davis won the job and the rest was history maybe if we open the comp between betts,candiate,morton,satan mcclough,rock we just might find another stephen davis just a thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Master Jay Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 I still feel Betts deserves a shot. He's a #2 pick and hasn't had a fair chance to win the job. We have a new coaching staff and Betts can be the answer to our problem at RB. Why start drafting and trading for a RB when we dont know about this kid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins11 Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 I agree, we gotta see what Betts can do. This year was just horrendous for everyone really. He did pretty well in relief of Stephen Davis a couple years ago. Betts had the freak injury this year, broken forearm because a helmet hit it. That's not like a Trung Canidate injury where he sprains his ankle when a linebacker looks at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Master Jay Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Betts could get motivated my Coach Gibbs and he can catch the ball. He could be a 3rd down back but we dont know and should find out before we waste a pick or trade. We could even sign someone like Eddie George if he's released as a back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 bsmss - You're absolutly right, we could easily have our RB already on the roster. I'm trusing the new regime to see everything they need to know studying film. One thing I DO KNOW is that we've GOT to fix the D-LINE! No doubt about it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panel Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 I too think our RB is already on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins11 Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Originally posted by fish bsmss - You're absolutly right, we could easily have our RB already on the roster. I'm trusing the new regime to see everything they need to know studying film. One thing I DO KNOW is that we've GOT to fix the D-LINE! No doubt about it! Noooooooo we must draft Taylor!! He's awesome! Just kidding. I can't believe people want to use our #5 on a SAFETY, when we've got nothing but crap at dline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 satan? We have the dark lord on our roster? :laugh: I'm going to leave it up to Gibbs, if he thinks Betts can 25 a game back then fine. If not draft a back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hogwash Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Originally posted by Blue_chill satan? We have the dark lord on our roster? :laugh: I was hoping no one else caught that... HAHAHAHA! You stole my joke1 Well I hate to break it to ya, but Betts is junk. Our Best bet would be to use Canidate and Cartwright and take Qunicy Wilson in the 3rd or 4th round out of WVU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hands11 Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Here something to think about All I'm, saying about Canidate is this. Not that people don't sometime change but..to date.He gets hurt to much He goes down to easy, no after first hit yardsHe was a fumbler.He isn't going to last long with Gibbs if this is all he has. Gibbs won't stand for it and JG isnt star struck. Knowing talent and knowing what Joe likes, if they went in with what they have... Betts or Rock start. I like Rock over Betts. He has shown me more toughness, after hit yard, quick feet, spin moves and speed. I really think this kid can do great things given a chance. I was saying the same thing about Davis before he ever got a real chance. Morton will be the 3rd down back and take some regular snapes. Canidate doesn't give you anything you can't get out of Rock and Morton. These are the 2 Gibbs guys. They have the heart. There my be some hope for Betts, but he has to show it. I rank him 3rd. Out for that many games with a forearm. Put a rap on it and get out there. Rock would never have sat out. Betts has always gotten special treatment because he was the higher draft pick. Honestly, I like Watson over Betts. I think we got ride of the wrong player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hands11 Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Speed may be overrated, but Canidate has more of it then the others. ( Speed is great, but speed and quickness along with the ability to break tackles is much more important. Try to remember how fast and quick Morton was when he ran. I can’t honestly say he is much slower then Canidate. Morton is only a step slower and less quick then Coles. Coles blows my mind he’s so fast. He’s on anther planet. Rock’s ability to break tackles while still being fast and quick, far outweighs his slower speed. He can take it inside and out. This is what you need in a starting RB. Canidate doesn’t pass this test so he’s not a starting RB in a Gibbs system. He could qualify for a 3rd down back. 3rd down RBs need to be someone who can catch a pass, have good to great speed and can take it to the outside or run a draw. Comparing Morton and Canidate for this position, I give the edge to Morton for the following reasons. He has the great speed, great moves, good hands and can break tackles. If Canidate has the edge in speed it doesn’t outweigh the fact that he can’t break tackles, and get hurt all the time. When I add into the mix the character gut feeling I have about both as players, Morton wins again. Additionally, Canidate makes way to much money to justify any unique superior talent over the rest. He is expendable out of this group. Rock and Betts with Morton and a3rd down Ricky Ervin type back. Plus Morton fills 2 roles with one roster spot. RB and PR. Canidate, Trung RB 5-11 205 03/03/1977 4 Morton, Chad RB 5-8 203 04/04/1977 4 Cartwright, Rock FB 5-7 223 12/03/1979 2 Jamal Lewis 5-11 235 Ahman Green 6-0 217 LaDainian 5-10 221 McAllister 6-1 221 Portis 5-11 205 Fred Taylor 6-1 232 Stephen Davis 6-0 230 Alexander 5-11 225 Holmes 5-9 213 Ricky Williams 5-10 228 Henry 5-9 215 Look at the size to weight ratio of the top 11 rushers from last year. You have a range of speed and power. Only Portis is the same size and weight of Canidate. Everyone else packs more weight and power into the frame they have. Morton and Cartwright included. Dude needs to get tougher, heavier and stronger if he wants to stick around on this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinthePRF Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 There is no one on our roster that fits the Riggins/Rogers/Riggs/Byner role on this roster. Betts nor Canidate remotely remind me of this kind of back who can tough it out in a single back formation for 16 games. Morton will stick because he definitely reminds me of Joe Washington or Ricky Ervins for a change of pace back. But in a word, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonnyRules Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 I'll let the coach decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
js79 Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 I read something before that the Redskins drafted Betts because they were aiming at Clinton Portis.. and when Clinton was not on the board no more, they panicked and took Betts which was not worth a 2nd round grade... I'm not very high on Betts, he's already proved last year that he was not tough and cannot handle 25 carries a game that Gibbs will demand from his running backs. Sultan is just an experiment, he just had a couple good runs against backup defenses and everyone on this board was so high on him... There must be a reason why he did not play as much because of his poor blocking and I believe in Gibbs offense, he expects EVERYONE to block well. Chad is the Brian Mitchell of the group, 3rd down back at best Trung is not fit to be an everydown back, although the skins boasted about his "homerun" potential which we did not see, however.. he did show me some toughness on couple of plays where he took linebackers head on and flattened them.. I don't really know who else we have but I don't think we have an everydown caliber running back with our group, I definatly think we need to get Corey Dillon or else he will be with Dallas and we all do not want that.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieselfan44 Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 I like Bett's size and power I can go along with giving him a shot if it saves us from spending big money in FA on a RB when we really need to spend it on defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 our backup is but not the starter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegas-Born Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 I agree with you guys...I think that a guy like Betts can be the man. Don't give up on a 2nd round pick already. Its going to be an interesting off-season. I also believe that we have biffer needs than RB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Originally posted by Vegas Baby I agree with you guys...I think that a guy like Betts can be the man. Don't give up on a 2nd round pick already. Its going to be an interesting off-season. I also believe that we have biffer needs than RB Betts hasn't been able to be healthy, that I don't like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUSTINMFOX Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Betts could be a starter, but of course we don't know that yet. Don't hate on Canidate though. He very well could be a great undersized third down back a la Kelvin Bryant or Joe Washington. Gibbs is looking for character guys first...and I have met Trung a number of times and he got a bad rap with Martz in St. Louis. Sure I'm a little biased, but I don't think we should just give up on him already. I can picture him running counter trey's and breaking big gains on screen passes.....and don't forget about one of Gibbs' favorite plays, the reverse to Clark....I mean Coles!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Our primary running back is on our current roster. Betts or Cartwright are the most likely candidates although Trung will get a shot. We may bring in a big pounder for short yardage needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 repeat after me ROCK is a fullback, sorry Blondie Betts is not a starter, yet untill he doesn't get hurt, and candidate is a third down back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cole Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 I can't imagine Canidate making the roster. If he couldn't make it big in Spurrier's spread the field offense, how will he do it Gibbs's grind it out O? He is a speed guy who doesn't have the elusiveness to get into the open on his own. He runs straight ahead, and it there is a big hole, he can fly. Otherwise, he's done. He also doesn't have the hands or shiftiness to be a third down back. I give McCollough, with his hands and speed, a much better shot at making it than Trung. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inmate running the asylum Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Like I said on another thread, every RB on the roster deserves a second chance under Gibbs. Because Spurrier f---ed everything up with his running-back-by-committee approach. When some of our RB's were having a good day, Spurrier then started throwing the damn ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Originally posted by inmate running the asylum Like I said on another thread, every RB on the roster deserves a second chance under Gibbs. Why?? Betts didn't even show up for meetings. Candidate is not a starter. Rock is good but he is not a guy that can handle 25 carries a game. Now I think Betts could be a good backup but not a stater he is not dependable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 #1: I'm a Rock fan. (Although, I confess, I'm not a Rock expert.) #2: Lord know we've got quantity at that position. But, let's face it, folks, none of our RBs really got a lot of use last year, and all of them got hurt. (Granted, that may have been luck, or it could have been because our offense stank.) Now, if, Coach Gibbs looks at some film, tries some things in camp, and says he likes Rock, too, then well, I won't float around the office for days like I did when Joe Came Back, but it'd be OK. Lord knows there's enough other holes that we won't be complaining about not needing all these draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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