Kilmer17 Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 It's a religion of peace you know. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,108329,00.html JERUSALEM — A Palestinian homicide bomber -- and mother of two -- blew herself up Wednesday at the main crossing between Israel and the Gaza Strip (search), killing four people and injuring seven, emergency officials said. Authorities believe this was the first mother to act as a homicide or suicide bomber. Israel Radio reported that the four dead were Israelis. Wednesday's homicide bombing was the first since a Christmas Day attack at a bus stop outside Tel Aviv that killed four. The Islamic militant group Hamas (search) and the Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades (search), linked to Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement (search), issued a joint claim of responsibility, according to Lebanon's Al-Manar satellite television station. Hamas said it sent a woman for the first time because of growing Israeli security "obstacles" facing its male bombers, Reuters reported. Hamas spiritual leader Sheik Ahmed Yassin said the use of a woman bomber was unique, but added that holy war "is an obligation of all Muslims, men and women." The bomber was identified as Hamas member Reem Al-Reyashi, 22, of Gaza. Family members said she had a 3-year-old boy and 1-year-old girl. Smiling at times in a videotape that showed her cradling a rifle, Al-Reyashi said she had dreamed since she was 13 of "becoming a martyr" and dying for her people. "It was always my wish to turn my body into deadly shrapnel against the Zionists and to knock on the doors of heaven with the skulls of Zionists," said Reyashi, wearing combat fatigues with a Hamas sash across her chest. "God gave me two children and I loved them so much. Only God knew how much I loved them," she said. Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qureia didn't condemn the attack, saying that continued Israeli attacks and restrictions on the Palestinians are leading "to more escalation on both sides." Meanwhile, an Israeli soldier was charged for the April shooting of a British activist who was protesting Israeli operations in Gaza. The 22-year-old activist, Tom Hurndall, died overnight in a London hospital after nine months in a vegetative state, and an Israeli military official said the charges against the soldier could be elevated to manslaughter. The bomber set off the explosion shortly before 10 a.m. at the Erez Crossing (search), in the area where thousands of Palestinian laborers pass every day through a network of fences and security checks to go from the Gaza Strip to jobs in Israel. Four of the wounded were Palestinians, the army said. Palestinian witnesses said the bomber was a woman waiting on line to pass through to the Israeli side. A witness identifying herself as Amena, 42, said four Palestinian women went into a security office at the border crossing, and as she was waiting outside the explosion occurred inside. "I heard soldiers screaming. The blast was very strong, and I saw one of the women, the last one who went into the room, bleeding from her legs," she said. The bomber told soldiers at the crossing point that she would set off a metal detector because she had an implant from surgery to repair a broken leg. She was then ushered to a special room for a security search, said Maj. Sharon Feingold, a military spokeswoman. Another witness, who declined to be named, said a woman waiting with the laborers was walking strangely. When the witness offered to help the stranger, the woman brushed her off. The bomb went off shortly afterward. The soldiers forced everyone out and shut down the crossing after the blast, witnesses said. A government spokesman suggested the crossing, through which 4,000 Palestinian laborers pass daily to work in a nearby industrial zone, would remain closed. "Israel allows Palestinian workers to come into Israel. And the Palestinian terrorist organizations took this opportunity in order to kill as many people as possible," said Avi Pazner. "I presume that we will have to take measures in order to prevent that ... It's too early to say exactly what measures we will take." The seven wounded people were being evacuated to hospitals, according to Moshe Vaaknin, an official with the Magen David Adom rescue services. Erez has been the target of occasional attacks during the past three years of violence. On June 8, three Palestinian gunmen from different militant groups killed four Israeli soldiers in a coordinated attack there. Soldiers returned fire, killing the gunmen. On Oct. 14, three American security guards were killed in the Gaza Strip just south of Erez when a Palestinian set off an explosive device at a passing diplomatic convoy. The Gaza Strip is surrounded by an Israeli security barrier. In the past three years of fighting, only one of the more than 100 suicide bombers has infiltrated Israel from the Gaza Strip. Islamic Jihad, the other main Islamic fundamentalist group leading attacks against Israelis, and the secular Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade have used women for suicide attacks in the past. But Hamas, the largest group, has until now stayed away from the tactic. Israeli soldier usually concentrate more on Palestinian men as potential attackers. The violence follows a West Bank ambush late Tuesday in which Palestinian gunmen killed a Jewish settler in a car at the entrance to the Talmon settlement near the West Bank city of Ramallah. The 28-year-old victim was the father of five, including triplets born two months ago. The Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility. Earlier Tuesday, Israeli troops killed a Palestinian gunmen in a firefight along the Gaza-Egypt border, the army said. The army said the soldiers were returning fire. Hurndall, the British activist with the International Solidarity Movement, was shot in the forehead on April 11 while photographing the work of his fellow activists in Gaza's Rafah refugee camp. Witnesses said he had tried to help children out of the path of an Israeli tank when the shot was fired. On Monday, Israel's military prosecutor filed a six-count indictment against an Israeli soldier that included a clause for intent to cause injury to Hurndall. The soldier was not named. Asked whether the soldier would face murder charges, Pazner replied that "we are definitely inquiring into this case." Israeli officials have denounced the ISM as agitators who are putting their lives at risk in a war situation. On March 16, an American member of ISM was killed when she was run over by a military bulldozer in the Gaza Strip, near where Hurndall was shot. Israeli authorities have arrested and deported a number of members of the group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 If you roped these people off, I think over time they would start to hate themselves and kills each other. How sick. I've dreamed of turning my body into shrapnel?!?!!?!?! Damn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Hog Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 Time for Israel to get back to their selective assassination approach… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OURYEAR#56 Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 Where are you at OM? Everytime I put something up about the racial divide in America you say I'm instigating. Why don't you do the same thing here. Obviously Kilmer does not want to engage in debate over the religion of Islam. Instead he puts one sided articles to illustrate his own opinion. He then say words like "a religion of peace" in a sarcastic manner. This has been going on ever since I became a member of your site, and you have not done anything about it. Instead you repermand me. Yes Kilmer Islam is a religion of peace, just like christianity or the jewish religion. You can not generalize that all praticing muslims are terrorist at heart. All puddles are dogs, but not all dogs are puddles. I'm really getting sick of this hypocracy, honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 Since when is a "puddle" a dog? Dogs step in puddles, but that's the extent of it. Actually, Judaism isn't really a religion of peace either, but its adherents have learned to accept living peacefully with their gentile counterparts. Christianity is the only western religion with explicit doctrines of pacifism; which is ironic since more wars and crimes against humanity have transpired in the name of Christianity than any other religion in history... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 OY56 Maybe cuz you were posting them on the fedex field portion of the site. And that some of them had NOTHING to do with any damn racial divide, except in some bizarre sense in your own mind. As for the articles about Islam---well why don't you post me articles about Buddhist or Taoist jihadis. Good luck. Instead why don't yuu look for yourself what Islam is about: www.prophetofdoom.com BTW, Islam is an ideology like any others. The difference is its founding book is believed utterly to be THE word of Allah. Yeah some Christians and JEws believe the same about their book, but the fact is we simply don't have many Christian holy warriors anymore. The other difference is revealed by looking at the lives of their founders. Compare the life of Buddha, Jesus or Lao Tze or Zarathustra with the life of Muhammad. Muhammad was a pirate, a murderer and a man who had sex with a 9 year old girl when he was an old man as part of his "marriage." In the founding texts of Islam, Muhammad is shown as someone who takes the desired mates of his folllowers, takes women as sex-slaves and generally is a complete and utter scumbag. Once again, compare this to Buddha or Jesus and you will see why Islam has generally been spread by sword and fire and why it is NOT like any other religion. Communism, fascism, socialist corporatism and classical liberalism are all sets of ideological values, but they are not morally equivalent, nor do they lead to the same ends in practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 Riggo-toni While I agree that much violence has been done in the name of Christianity, I'd say as much death, destruction and annihilation of cultures has been done in the name of Allah. After all, it literally made an empire, whereas Christianity was ADOPTED by an empire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 Likely true, Ghost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted January 14, 2004 Author Share Posted January 14, 2004 56, let me know when Christians strap bombs to their bodies and try to kill Muslim children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
endzone_dave Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 I'm sure there's some camel racing message board over in the middle east where they're putting down Christians. Let them put me down, I don't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TC4 Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 It's a religion of peace you know. With peace like this, who the hell needs war Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 She left the world no poorer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OURYEAR#56 Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 Not every person in the Middle East is muslim. The Middle East is the craddle of civilization. It's also where all of these religions spawned from. There are Christians, Jews, Hindues, Buddist, and Muslims in the Middle east. That is where my analogy about the poodles comes from. You can not take from specific and generalize. Not every muslim is violent. Honestly this struggle is only encompassed to be seen to have ties to religion. When people are oppressed they turn to avenues that they feel are relevant to their struggle. The arab people in these areas that are encapsolated by violence all have one thing in common; their are foreign agents that limit their freedom. Whether it's over oil, religious sites, or state sactioned occupation, these people feel that dying is better than living. If these people were truly free, or better yet had the same freedoms as we do then I think the violence would be curb dramatically. But to do so would require corporate sacrifice, and Jerusalem changing it's borders to atleast accomidate the palestinian people in some sense. I've been told a good deal is when both sides walk away feeling like they gave nothing away. In the case of Palestine, it's clear the people feel like they were taken advantage of. I feel this situation has happened before. When Jesus started to teach his gospel it was during a time of violence in Ancient Jerusalem. There were Jewish Zealots all over he place plotting the destruction of the Roman Empire so they would be free from under its rule. Jesus spoke of a different way of living. His message was not wraped in violence, but of tolerance. It's was also embodied in the civil rights movement. Both movements were one of civil tolerance. Jesus refusal to adopt violence may have cause Judas of Ascaria to betray him because scholars believe Judas thought Jese would adopt a more militant manner. What is the worst thing about this whole issue is the stance of America. We have every tool at our disposal to bring about a reform that would be in favor of both sides. Instead were governed by men who label peole as "evil doers". It's very ironic when you think about it. But that's the first step.....think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallyG3 Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 OY - I don't think anyone said all Muslims are violent. I think the point is how misguided these terrorists are. They are doing horrible things in the name of Islam, when they completely misrepresent it. They claim to be strict followers of a religion but their actions completely contradict the teaching of that religion. It's criticizing the terrorists, not all followers of Islam. Don't be so trigger happy on the soap box, bud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinInsite Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 HAHA ever been to Northern Ireland in the 80's? Christian's are too busy killing each other to be bothered with others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webnarc Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 She left the world no poorer. Only 4 innocent people and one misguided sociopath. And the dead Palestinians in tomorrows retaliation. And the victims of the next suicide bombing. Both sides in this battle need a new coach cause these plays are working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 979guy Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 Originally posted by OURYEAR#56 The Middle East is the craddle of civilization. It's also where all of these religions spawned from. There are Christians, Jews, Hindues, Buddist, and Muslims in the Middle east. Buddhists? Hindus? I think not. Originally posted by OURYEAR#56 When people are oppressed they turn to avenues that they feel are relevant to their struggle. [/b] In what way, exactly, were Mr. Bin Laden or his pilot disciples living in New England, oppressed ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 OY Thanks for reading my post and actually trying to weigh facts and figure out that there might be a difference between one ideology and another. Oh, wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinInsite Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 Christianity not spread by the sword? Ever heard of the Conquistadors? Butchering in the name of God, Glory, and Gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted January 14, 2004 Author Share Posted January 14, 2004 And the Crusades ended when????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinInsite Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 Right i guess everything happened in the past centuries doesn't count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkyalligator Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 First off....why don't any of the arab states around the "palestinian people" take them and adopt them as their own people....I know why because they think they are ignorant trash...which they are...for the most part....the arab states in the region could have done a lot more to help the "palestinian people" than they have done..instead they just them stew in their own juices and hate israel because supposidly israel caused all their problems...yeah right.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinInsite Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 Whoa it didn't take long before someone class a whole group of people as trash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkyalligator Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 Ask arabs that live the areas adjacent to the refugee camps what they think of palestinians and you will get worse answers. Don't blame israel alone for the plight of the palestinians blame the other arab states in the area that won't allow the palestinians to live in their country....there are tons of palestinian refugee camps along the borders with the arab countries in the area because the countries won't let them in and won't help them at all.....the arab states like having the palestinians in this position because they hate israel and cause problems with israel and it deflects any problems from themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinInsite Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 So we'll just pass the blame around until everyone in that region is dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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