We're still mathematically alive for a first round playoff bye

[HeluCopter29]

That'd be cool if we could do it, but I'm not super focused on that right now.

[skins2victory]

I will take any spot we can get..... But yeah, thats cool!!!

HTTR

[Rocky52Mc]

This is an extremely flawed idea. If you want to make the playoffs, then the Bears should lose Sunday ...to the Packers. The Packers would go 10-6, they have a very high conference record, they might lock that position with that win right there. Then they play Tennessee. The Redskins can't get a playoff BYE.

[Mr. Nostril]

The title of this thread is a true statement. I can't take that away from it.

But imagine the 49ers lose @ New England and @ Seattle to fall to 9-5-1. They are then likely to absolutely need to beat a totally defeated Cardinals team at home to even make the playoffs. What are the chances they actually lose that game.

[Rocky52Mc]

Far-fetched? Maybe. Would we all be happy with having any playoff spot, even the 6th seed? Heck yeah. But technically if we win out (along with one Giants loss), the 49ers lose out, and the NFC North winner doesn't have a record better than 10-6, we'd have the no. 2 seed. The only seemingly super far-fetched part of this is the 49ers losing out. However, their next two games are at New England and at Seattle. Both conceivably loseable. However, their final game of the year is at home against the Cardinals.

Just food for thought. We're also very much alive for the 3rd seed... it's not etched in stone by any means that the NFC East winner will be the 4th seed.

This is also all listed in a thread I created.

http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?375679-The-Bears-Giants-and-Seahawks-ALL-WIN-OUT-and-we-miss-the-paloffs...

There's the link to my thread. Seeing as the Redskins have virtually no shot at winning a Playoff BYE, the Packers bit is not included. Because that is not happening. The more wins the Packers get, the better for us. The more wins the 49ers get, the better for us.

Essentially, the 49ers vs. Seahawks and the Packers vs. Bears is how we get into the Post-season. Why on earth would you root for either team to lose? The Giants could lose to Atlanta this weekend and that's also a nice possibility. All three would be nice by next week. The door is open to possibilities but there's really 4 probable scenarios they could play out to get in.

---------- Post added December-12th-2012 at 08:44 PM ----------

The title of this thread is a true statement. I can't take that away from it.

But imagine the 49ers lose @ New England and @ Seattle to fall to 9-5-1. They are then likely to absolutely need to beat a totally defeated Cardinals team at home to even make the playoffs. What are the chances they actually lose that game.

Kind of high, but all prior to Kevin Kolb going on IR before today.

---------- Post added December-12th-2012 at 08:51 PM ----------

Can not see San Francisco tanking.

There's a high chance San Francisco tanks. At least for the next 2 weeks. That young QB has some tape on him now. If Seattle is actually legit, and have you ever seen what the Patriots do to inexperienced QB's? They ****ing annihilate them.

[Rypien1191]

Fans on a message board discussing playoff scenarios has no effect on the team's focus for the upcoming game

That's true for 100% of everything on this message board. Yet we still discuss how some ideas have more merit than others.

[SkinsGuru]

That's true for 100% of everything on this message board. Yet we still discuss how some ideas have more merit than others.

Sure, but we don't necessarily imply that one idea precludes another.

[hailer21]

If we win this Sunday, I bet the house there will be a thread titled:

"Skins NOT in Superbowl would be a letdown"

[TheItalianStallion]

In any case we do want SF to lose on Sunday to NE, which would make SF extra-motivated to beat SEA the following week.

[Rocky52Mc]

In any case we do want SF to lose on Sunday to NE, which would make SF extra-motivated to beat SEA the following week.

In terms of US making the playoffs and having many many chances. You want the 49ers to lose, because then if they lose to the Seahawks, and if they lose again to a divisional opponent, we could get their spot if we won out.

I have no doubt the Cardinals could beat the 49ers. Any team can beat any team when they step on the field. The ball bounces funny ways sometimes.

I really beg everyone not to overlook the Browns or Eagles because you may end up disappointed. They're NFL teams too, with players that are dying to say "I made sure RG3 didn't get to the playoffs his rookie year, you know prior to him winning all those rings..."

But back to reality. The Eagles served as our last challenge in 2005 heading into the playoffs. They played us so well, with McNabb sitting on the bench. Hmm, sounds familiar? Who's on the bench in Philly? The Eagles were terrible that year, and they we're on a scoring drive. The late, the great, Sean Taylor ended their hopes and fulfilled ours with that TD!!!!

[Rypien1191]

I have no doubt the Cardinals could beat the 49ers. Any team can beat any team when they step on the field. The ball bounces funny ways sometimes.

You have not watched football this year.

[CGSKINS]

In terms of US making the playoffs and having many many chances. You want the 49ers to lose, because then if they lose to the Seahawks, and if they lose again to a divisional opponent, we could get their spot if we won out.

I have no doubt the Cardinals could beat the 49ers. Any team can beat any team when they step on the field. The ball bounces funny ways sometimes.

I really beg everyone not to overlook the Browns or Eagles because you may end up disappointed. They're NFL teams too, with players that are dying to say "I made sure RG3 didn't get to the playoffs his rookie year, you know prior to him winning all those rings..."

But back to reality. The Eagles served as our last challenge in 2005 heading into the playoffs. They played us so well, with McNabb sitting on the bench. Hmm, sounds familiar? Who's on the bench in Philly? The Eagles were terrible that year, and they we're on a scoring drive. The late, the great, Sean Taylor ended their hopes and fulfilled ours with that TD!!!!

We are a way better offensively now than in 2005. Not even close.

[jgbkab1]

We are a way better offensively now than in 2005. Not even close.

Heck, we're better offensively than we were in 1991. Well, statistically speaking from the backfield. I had to actually look at the stats to believe it. The big difference is special teams and defense.

[Rocky52Mc]

You have not watched football this year.

Yea I actually saw the Cardinals beat the Patriots and the Seahawks.

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We are a way better offensively now than in 2005. Not even close.

A better offense in 2012 to 2005 has absolutely zero impact on that game. There's so many factors you're leaving out. ONE BIG factor is, ****ty teams end up somehow beating divisional rivals in December, and they end up ****ing things up.

2011 Washington Redskins 23-10 Giants

2012 St.Louis Rams 16-13 49ers

2011 Miami Dolphins eliminated the Jets from playoff contention with a 19-17 week 17 win

2011 Buffalo Bills 40-14 Broncos - a playoff team 1 week later.

2011 Colts got their 2nd and final win against against the 10-6 Texans

Do we have a dead argument yet here? No? Need more? Okay.

14-0 Colts lose 2 back to backs in 2009 in the final 2 weeks of the year. One of those losses was to the Buffalo Bills. it was 30-7.

2006 Redskins beat the Playoff Saints 16-10.

2009 Miami beats New England 22-21

All of these were in December..

Oh by the way, Football is played every Sunday, I think the fact of the matter is I watch too much of it.

Final word: When analyzing the 49ers run to the playoffs this year, it's has 2 twists for the Redskins. I might have said this 1,000 times, and the only reason I talk about it, is because it can impact the Redskins. If the 49ers beat the Seahawks, then you stop caring about them. Fact of the matter is, Kaepernick hasn't beaten quality teams. He's 0-1-1 against the Rams. He beat a bad Dolphins team, and a weak defense in the Saints. They're not even doing much with him as he is Dumpoff King the 2nd.

If the Seahawks and the Patriots give the 49ers 2 back to back losses, I have decent odds on the Cardinals finishing them off. The Cardinals might not have a QB, but that situation has time to develop over the next 2 weeks. The 49er's get WAYY too much credit from some people lmao.

[Pick6]

I would be extremely happy with #3 seed and a 1st round home game.

[Rypien1191]

Yea I actually saw the Cardinals beat the Patriots and the Seahawks.

That must have been the last time you watched then. It's 3 months later and the Cardinals don't belong in the NFL right now. Zero percent chance they win another game this year.

[Rocky52Mc]

That must have been the last time you watched then. It's 3 months later and the Cardinals don't belong in the NFL right now. Zero percent chance they win another game this year.

See that's the beauty of the NFL. If you plugged QB play into a calculator it would favor that team every time. It's funny how important that position is. Besides that Seahawks loss, the Cardinals have miraculously still been in a lot of games this year. They just recently gave Atlanta a ****ing heart attack. But what is not deniable is when they had Kolb playing they were really competing. It's a team sport, that team is still there. It would be nice if you actually brought a legitimate argument to the table instead of vaguely saying nothing.

Cool.

If you're so confident that the Cardinals won't win another game, please PM me and we can talk about stuff they do in Casinos.

[MustangSteve]

Anything can happen in this league and SanFran is not the beast people think they are, look what NY did to them. If they lose the next 2 and that is very possible, that slump could carry over to the Cardinals who have nothing to lose and play spoiler. Wouldn't that be awesome! A 1st round bye and only 2 games in playoffs, and both could end up being in Fed Ex if the 1st seed is beat.

[Rocky52Mc]

Anything can happen in this league and SanFran is not the beast people think they are, look what NY did to them. If they lose the next 2 and that is very possible, that slump could carry over to the Cardinals who have nothing to lose and play spoiler. Wouldn't that be awesome! A 1st round bye and only 2 games in playoffs, and both could end up being in Fed Ex if the 1st seed is beat.

Nice to find someone with some football eyes on this scenario! I'll be rooting for the 49ers vs the Seahawks though! HTTR!

[Rypien1191]

See that's the beauty of the NFL. If you plugged QB play into a calculator it would favor that team every time. It's funny how important that position is. Besides that Seahawks loss, the Cardinals have miraculously still been in a lot of games this year. They just recently gave Atlanta a ****ing heart attack. But what is not deniable is when they had Kolb playing they were really competing. It's a team sport, that team is still there. It would be nice if you actually brought a legitimate argument to the table instead of vaguely saying nothing.

Cool.

If you're so confident that the Cardinals won't win another game, please PM me and we can talk about stuff they do in Casinos.

Legitimate argument? Ok...

Arizona had 7 first downs and 178 yards in the Atlanta game. They got 6 turnovers from Atlanta and STILL lost. I was unfortunately at the Jets Cardinals game and I don't think I've ever seen a worse football team. If it wasn't for Sanchez being so awful and the fake punt, they wouldn't have scored that game either. 5 first downs and 137 total yards in that one. Seahawks? 10first downs and 154 yards. They have 13 turnovers in the last 3 games. Worst QB and RB situation in football right now and their defense is 3rd worst in the NFL in rushing yards.

Kolb isn't their QB anymore and they haven't been competing since he was. That was over 2 months ago. News flash: teams get better/worse over the course of the season. Skins? Pats? Better. Cards? Bears? Worse. They have an OUTSIDE CHANCE of keeping it close against the Lions only because the Lions are so prone to ****ing things up themselves, but they would need for things to really go haywire. They have ZERO chance against the Bears with Cutler or the 49ers who will be playing for playoffs.

If you're really looking to bet money on the Arizona Cardinals to win a football game, I'd be more than happy to accept it my friend.

[MustangSteve]

Nice to find someone with some football eyes on this scenario! I'll be rooting for the 49ers vs the Seahawks though! HTTR!

Me too Rocky, that's the last chance to throw Seattle out, and I want them out this season.

[ramseysux]

I am just glad we got our crap together. The way things were going we were going to hand St. Louis a top 10 pick.

On another note, I want a home game. I have never been to a playoff game and I would like to go to one. So 1st I would like to get the Division and if a 1st round bye comes with that... Awesome!

[Rocky52Mc]

That must have been the last time you watched then. It's 3 months later and the Cardinals don't belong in the NFL right now. Zero percent chance they win another game this year.

So with Arizona currently beating Detroit 24-10, I was curious if you had any last words? You never PM'd me either about a nice bet we could have made so I'm slightly disappointed.

I think it's time we all start being accountable around here.

FYI: If the Packers and 49ers lose out, and we win out, we get a first round BYE.

The above is confirmed as long as Seattle beats the 49ers and loses to Rams in week 17.

[LadderCrew17]

So with Arizona currently beating Detroit 24-10, I was curious if you had any last words? You never PM'd me either about a nice bet we could have made so I'm slightly disappointed.

I think it's time we all start being accountable around here.

FYI: If the Packers and 49ers lose out, and we win out, we get a first round BYE.

The above is confirmed as long as Seattle beats the 49ers and loses to Rams in week 17.

We would need additional help for the #2 seed. It would come down to Strength of Victory tiebreaker, since the conference record (8-4) and common games record (3-2) would be the same. I've been messing around with the Yahoo playoff machine. There are a number of variables and I'm not sure if I have all of them covered. But here's one (I think):

If GB and SF lose out and StL defeats Sea,

AND Atlanta, resting in Week 17 after clinching #1 seeds, loses to Tampa Bay,

AND Houston loses one of its remaining games OR Dallas defeats New Orleans next week OR Cleveland defeats Pittsburgh in Week 17,

it would give the Skins a higher SOV.

[rumplestilskin]

Its too bad the Cowboys won. I think it will all come down to the last game of the year for the 4th seed. Hopefully they lose next week and we win but I think even if that happens we will have to beat them to finish ahead of them.