soljaofjesus Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Lets move out of the first round completely. There are alot of skill players that fit our need in the second round. According to the draft chart, we could potentially get (3) 2nd draft picks if we trade down 2 times. This is definitely possible with a team like STL looking for a breakout WR in AJ Green or Julio Jones. Seattle would be looking for a top OT to pair with Russell Okung or a QB of the future. That gives us 4 second round draft picks. Brandon Harris has dropped to the second round on Walterfootball's draft. Walterfootball has these guys falling into the second round Rodney hudson - G Florida State Jonathan Baldwin WR Pittsburgh - 6'5 230 pounds Brandon Harris, CB, Miami Stephen Paea, NT - Oregan State Stefen Wisniewski - Center Penn State Christian Ponder - sit on bench for 2-3 years Leonard Hankerson - WR Miami Akeem Ayers We could get: Jonathan Baldwin Brandon Harris Akeem Ayers Stefen Wisniewski We could then get Jonathan Joseph and David Joseph in FA and call it a day! ID GO CRAZY if we could get these four guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallascrushers Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 I mean I just don't see being able to trade back twice and maybe once won't happen....but I agree the four guys you have mentioned are nice except I would take Hudson over Wisniewski and Paea over Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLredskin Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 With that said what is a better move for this team... 2 top 41 picks or 4 picks that range between 35 and 100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibbsFactor Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Let's trade out of 2011 completely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Every season a lot of fans hope we trade down in the draft, but it usually doesn't work out. Even if we wanted to, you have to have somebody to trade with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Did Jesus put you up to this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheismannQuote Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Every season a lot of fans hope we trade down in the draft, but it usually doesn't work out. Even if we wanted to, you have to have somebody to trade with. Remember that year the Redskins were able to trade back in to the draft and pick up 2 extra 2nd Round picks...and Vinny Cerrato still managed to screw it up. McShay said that he viewed 8 "elite" talents in the draft: WR Green, DEs Bowers/Quinn, DTs Fairley/Dareus, OLB Miller, CBs Peterson/Prince It seems that most draftniks agree w/ these players as being the cream of the crop. If one or two teams in the top 9 drafts based on need (i.e. QB) - there stands to be a good chance that somebody will drop to the 10 spot that another team would want. I think there's a good chance of somebody wanting to come up to #10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Fried Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 None of those players look nearly as tempting as the top flight talent at our current spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibbsFactor Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 In 2012 we have 8 picks (2 4ths). Trade #10 and #41 this year for 2012 futures. Go into 2012 with: 3 1st rounders 2 2nd Rounders 1 3rd Rounder 2 4th Rounders 1 5th 1 6th 1 7th Trade McNabb, Haynesworth, Carter, Dockery for 2012 picks. Not sure if there is a limit but with the CBA situation, it would behoove us to be innovative. The season will be shortened, teams won't have Free Agency to fill needs. With 11 starting spots and depth up for improvements, we need to maximize our 2011 draft value. Best way to do this is to offer up our picks this year for future picks. Teams that fill are a player or two away from contending should jump and pay a little more. You already get more value for trading for futures, add in the fact that free agency is in question and this is such a talented draft... max value is to trade #10 and #41 for 2012 picks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallascrushers Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Remember that year the Redskins were able to trade back in to the draft and pick up 2 extra 2nd Round picks...and Vinny Cerrato still managed to screw it up.McShay said that he viewed 8 "elite" talents in the draft: WR Green, DEs Bowers/Quinn, DTs Fairley/Dareus, OLB Miller, CBs Peterson/Prince It seems that most draftniks agree w/ these players as being the cream of the crop. If one or two teams in the top 9 drafts based on need (i.e. QB) - there stands to be a good chance that somebody will drop to the 10 spot that another team would want. I think there's a good chance of somebody wanting to come up to #10 The thing is about this is we are a team that needs a few of these players....so if Fairley/Dareus/Miller/Peterson there at 10 you have to take one of them...they each fit a need in our defense....so any of these would make this defense a little better with just one player ---------- Post added February-24th-2011 at 04:12 PM ---------- In 2012 we have 8 picks (2 4ths).Trade #10 and #41 this year for 2012 futures. Go into 2012 with: 3 1st rounders 2 2nd Rounders 1 3rd Rounder 2 4th Rounders 1 5th 1 6th 1 7th Trade McNabb, Haynesworth, Carter, Dockery for 2012 picks. Not sure if there is a limit but with the CBA situation, it would behoove us to be innovative. The season will be shortened, teams won't have Free Agency to fill needs. With 11 starting spots and depth up for improvements, we need to maximize our 2011 draft value. Best way to do this is to offer up our picks this year for future picks. Teams that fill are a player or two away from contending should jump and pay a little more. You already get more value for trading for futures, add in the fact that free agency is in question and this is such a talented draft... max value is to trade #10 and #41 for 2012 picks! is this a joke post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 is this a joke post? No. He's been advocating that for awhile. I mean, I guess the bright side, with no draft picks in 2011, is that we'd be almost guaranteed to get Luck next year at the top of the draft. :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forehead Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 GibbsFactors post is probably a joke, but the Madden implications are astounding. You could package all those 2nds, 3rds and 4ths and wind up with the top 3 picks in the draft, or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 is this a joke post? No, he's dead serious and has posted this in several threads. It's pretty much draft suicide, but we should just ignore it, because the FO would never do that. Can you imagine having only (2) 5ths and 6th and (2) 7ths in this year's draft? The mere fact that he said trade Carter, tells you all you need to know. Carter has a no trade clause and he'll be released by the FO with no compensation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bibby Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Let's trade out of 2011 completely! !!!! and the 2012! Just imagine the damage we could do in 2013! oh the possibilities! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallascrushers Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 I mean the only way I would see this as a good situation is if for some reason their is a lockout for the whole year and we have stock piled the picks for 2012....but you can't take that chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfriedenthal Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Let's trade out of 2011 completely! Cocaine is a hell of a drug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibbsFactor Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 I really don't see the problem with it. I think it's a stroke of genius. And I think most people don't understand that 2011 is not business as usual, or I wouldn't get these "trade 2012 picks too" posts. People act like the 2011 football season is going to be a regular 16 game season. It's not. This is a lockout/strike shortened season and we should take advantage of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallascrushers Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 I really don't see the problem with it. I think it's a stroke of genius. And I think most people don't understand that 2011 is not business as usual, or I wouldn't get these "trade 2012 picks too" posts. People act like the 2011 football season is going to be a regular 16 game season. It's not. This is a lockout/strike shortened season and we should take advantage of it. Like I said in a previous post....I see what you are saying here and agree if it is a significantly shortened season or no season at all it would be a stroke of genious....but you can't gamble like that since...the draft is in April and there is like 4 months of negotiation time after the draft to get a new CBA before a lockout will occur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibbsFactor Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Like I said in a previous post....I see what you are saying here and agree if it is a significantly shortened season or no season at all it would be a stroke of genious....but you can't gamble like that since...the draft is in April and there is like 4 months of negotiation time after the draft to get a new CBA before a lockout will occur I'd be willing to do it. I bet Snyder knows what's up with the CBA better than anyone. He and Jones and Kraft are the players in this thing. If Snyder was okay with tossing this season aside (I'm WILLING to sig bet or some other stupid ES bet that this is a shortened season). We'll be stuck with very limited player movement, FA may not happen at all, contracts of the Moss' of the world could be frozen given that there won't be time to move players (trying to maximize games). So we'll most likely have the same bull**** roster we had last year. What's two blue chippers going to do for us? I'd rather go into 2012 with 7 or 8 young blue chippers, a full free agent class and play a full season. Who knows, maybe we have the ammo to get one of the two QBs next year. I think it would be a mistake to at least investigate the possibilities. Again, I'm completely convinced there will be less than 14 regular season games played this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 This is a lockout/strike shortened season and we should take advantage of it. Damn right, time to win another one.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibbsFactor Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Damn right' date=' time to win another one....[/quote']Short of bringing in Beathard and Gibbs, it ain't happening. So why not be innovative in another way and punch everyone in the mouth come 2012? We kill these seasons. Let's kill it again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidGQ Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 In 2012 we have 8 picks (2 4ths).Trade #10 and #41 this year for 2012 futures. Go into 2012 with: 3 1st rounders 2 2nd Rounders 1 3rd Rounder 2 4th Rounders 1 5th 1 6th 1 7th Trade McNabb, Haynesworth, Carter, Dockery for 2012 picks. Not sure if there is a limit but with the CBA situation, it would behoove us to be innovative. The season will be shortened, teams won't have Free Agency to fill needs. With 11 starting spots and depth up for improvements, we need to maximize our 2011 draft value. Best way to do this is to offer up our picks this year for future picks. Teams that fill are a player or two away from contending should jump and pay a little more. You already get more value for trading for futures, add in the fact that free agency is in question and this is such a talented draft... max value is to trade #10 and #41 for 2012 picks! If you are a GM, Matt Millen and Vinny would look like genius. Now get off that crack pipe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dro89 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 i think Seattle and SD could be teams to jump into the top 10..Trade #10 to SD for #18 and #50. Trade Cooley to Denver for 2012 2nd and conditional 2012 4th (possibility of 3rd) Trade Albert Haynseworth to Detriot for 2012 2nd and conditional 2012 5th (possibility of 4th) Trade Donovan McNabb to Arizona/Minnesota/Miami for 2012 Conditional 4th Rounder (possibility of 3rd) now with those trades our next 2 drafts set up like this. 2011 1st Round (#18) 2nd Round (#42) 2nd Round (#50) 5th Round 5th Round 6th Round 7th Round 7th Round 2012 1st Round 2nd Round 2nd Round 2nd Round 3rd Round 4th Round 4th Round 4th Round 4th Round 5th Round 5th Round 6th Round 7th Round now what if we landed all those? im sure the Albert trade is way more but even if we landed a 3rd and 4th id be stoked.. .................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibbsFactor Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 If you are a GM, Matt Millen and Vinny would look like genius. Now get off that crack pipe. Is that all you have? What's the flaw in that plan? Do tell. ---------- Post added February-24th-2011 at 05:18 PM ---------- No, he's dead serious and has posted this in several threads. It's pretty much draft suicide, but we should just ignore it, because the FO would never do that. Can you imagine having only (2) 5ths and 6th and (2) 7ths in this year's draft? The mere fact that he said trade Carter, tells you all you need to know. Carter has a no trade clause and he'll be released by the FO with no compensation. Carter can waive that clause. Would he rather make what his contract is now and play for another team or be cut and signed to a smaller number? I agree he'll be released, but that's hardly all you need to know. And please explain why adding value is draft suicide? You increase your youth and overall talent due to draft picks trading at a premium this year. THIS YEAR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penteboss Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 I wouldn't be upset if we traded out of the 1st all together from a football standpoint, but I'd be angry that I'd have to wait another day for our first selection It really all depends on who is there when we're picking and who is high on our board. If someone like AJ Green or Marcell Dareus falls to 10, I sure hope that we wouldn't try to trade back. But if Gabbert or Newton "slipped" to us, a trade back is probably more likely, but still not something to bank on. I'm sure we'd all like some more picks, and something I've been hoping for (and haven't seen much talk about on these boards) is trading our 2nd to move down and try to pick up a 4th. Or move out of the 2nd all together and pick up a 3rd, 4th, and a future pick. It'll be interesting to see come draft day though. Will we stay put with our picks and shore up only a couple of positions? Or will we trade back, take lesser quality players, but fill out our teams' needs more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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