Wildbunny Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 Definately trade down. The more picks we gets the more chance we have to fix all our needs which starts with our OL of course Try to get picks in the 2nd and/or 3rd round would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins93077 Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 We should just see what the other teams pick and go from there. If its possible to trade down and still get a bradford, davis or whomever shanahan wants and still get more picks then so be it. We have the weapons guys our te's, wr's are good. We just need someone to pull the trigger... And even before that Some guys to protect that person whose pulling the trigger... But also keep in mind we cannot focus on just the offense and let the defense wither... We gotta balance draft picks on d as well. This is gonna take time so.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DisgruntledLionFan#54,927 Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 as for the assumption about bradford playing for the lions, how did stafford end up this year? oh that's right, injured shoulder from the pounding he took. His injuries were from a horse collar(Bears game) and on a desperation play where he scrambled around for 10 seconds(Browns game). It's kinda hard to fault the OL for those injuries, don't you think? And yes, QBs do bust more than any other position in the first. And it gets worse by the round. From 1991-2006, 31 QBs were taken in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Only two guys from that list, who I shouldn't have to name, have proven to be legitimate franchise QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-bomb Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 Anyone else read the DeDe Dorsey rumor is he our new feature back in waiting???????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibbsFactor Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 Like I said in another thread, with no CBA trade our first and Rogers to the 49ers for their #13 and #17Get a OT (Okung gone, one of Williams, Campbell, Davis should be there) and then you can take Spiller, Terrence Cody (if they really want to switch to a 3-4), Colt McCoy (if they think he's worthy), maybe even Bulaga as a RT or OG. We'd still get an OT after trading down and then add another solid talent. If not Spiller with #17, I'd like to see Best at #2 (as long as OT has been covered). Are the 49ers giving us PWillis too? Cause our first is about equal to their two. Tossing in Rogers as well is Dan talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tml6157 Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 Except how many of these were drafted with a top 5 pick?Cutler and Big Ben weren't top 10. Flacco was top 20. Rodgers was top 25. And since you included McNabb, why not include the other 1st rounders from that draft? Tim Couch, Akili Smith, Daunte Culpepper, and Cade McNown all had such wonderfully productive careers right? In 2000, when we picked Chris Samuels and Lavar Arrington, we should have grabbed our franchise QB right? Who was the first rounder that year? Chad Pennington, he's a free agent this offseason. All in all, my point is that QB's in the 1st round, and top 5 picks are no exception, have a much much much higher bust rate than any other position. And with the amount of money invested in this pick, that is just foolhardy drafting. I'm a big proponent of BPA near the top of a draft. There are always hits and misses on first round players thats where your scouting department must be up to par. There is no denying that if you do not have a franchise QB you must take one if your are staring one in the face when your on the clock. Take a look at all the teams in the league: Bills: Trent Edwards - 3rd round pick - NOT a franchise QB Dolphins: Chad Pennington/Chad Henne: 1st round pick/2nd round pick - Uncertain (too soon to tell) Patriots: Tom Brady - 6th round pick - Franchise QB (very rare chance) Jets: Mark Sanchez - 1st round pick - Uncertain (too soon to tell) Ravens: Joe Flacco - 1st round pick - Franchise QB Bengals: Carson Palmer - 1st round pick - Franchise QB Browns: Brady Quinn - 1st round pick - Uncertain (too soon to tell) Steelers: Ben Roethelisburger - 1st round pick - Franchise QB Texans: Matt Schaub - 3rd round pick - Franchise QB Colts: Peyton Manning - 1st round pick - Franchise QB Jaguars: David Garrard - 4th round pick - NOT a franchise QB Titans: Vince Young - 1st round pick - Uncertain (too soon to tell) Broncos: Kyle Orton - 4th round pick - NOT a franchise QB Chiefs: Matt Cassell - 7th round pick - Uncertain (too soon to tell) Oakland: JaMarcus Russell - 1st round pick - NOT a franchise QB Chargers: Phillip Rivers - 1st round pick - Franchise QB Cowboys: Tony Romo sits to pee - UDFA - Franchise QB Giants: Eli Manning - 1st round pick - Franchise QB Eagles: Donovan McNabb - 1st round pick - Franchise QB Redskins: Jason Campbell - 1st round pick - NOT a franchise QB Bears: Jay Cutler - 1st round pick - Franchise QB Lions: Matt Stafford - 1st round pick - Uncertain (too soon to tell) Packers: Aaron Rodgers - 1st round pick - Franchise QB Vikings: Brett Favre - 2nd round pick - Franchise QB Falcons: Matt Ryan - 1st round pick - Franchise QB Panthers: Jake Delhomme - UDFA - NOT a franchise QB Saints: Drew Brees - 2nd round pick - Franchise QB Buccaneers: Josh Freeman - 1st round pick - Uncertain (too soon to tell) Cardinals: Kurt Warner - UDFA - Franchise QB Rams: Marc Bulger - 6th round pick - NOT a franchise QB 49ers: Alex Smith/Shaun Hill - 1st round pick/UDFA - NOT franchise QBs Seahawks: Matt Hasselbeck - 6th round pick - Franchise QB Of the 32 teams there are: - 17 True franchise QBs Of the 17 true franchise QBs: - 10 first round picks - 2 2nd round picks - 1 3rd round pick - 2 6th round picks - 2 UDFAs Of the 32 teams there are: - 19 1st round pick QBs Of the 19 1st round QBs: - 10 franchise QBs - 6 Uncertain (too soon to tell) - 3 NOT franchise QB Busts The numbers above prove if you want to a 10+ years of a TRUE franchise QB you take him in the first round. Sure there are going to be busts but your scouting department is getting paid to make sure they aren't busts. We need to take Clausen or Bradford at #4 end of story! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RypienUmApart Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 O-line, no question about it. JC is fine at QB. Pick up an undrafted FA as a 3rd stringer... Levi Brown. If Okung isn't available then trade back and get more picks. Pick up Bruce Campbell later in the 1st round. Matt Tennant in the 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskin301 Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 I wood like to get Bradford but if we can trade down and get 2 first rounders I can live with that and draft colt McCoy and go Oline with the other first and the early 2nd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2006Skins Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 If you watched any skins games this year you should know that this team should draft as many olinemen as possible of value. It's hard to count on trading down, because you may not find any suitors due to who's on the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RypienUmApart Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 i wood like to get bradford but if we can trade down and get 2 first rounders i can live with that and draft colt mccoy and go oline with the other first and the early 2nd failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskin301 Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 failure. Realy we are not winning with jcam we need a QB bad 1 oline pick will not fix anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWB Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 I have to admit I have not seen much of Dan LeFevour, but he certainly looks impressive in his bowl game tonight. Not sure when he is slotted to go (Kiper has him as 4th best qb right now), but I would definitely take a flyer on him in the third or fourth round if we have not yet drafted a qb. Im sure some of you know more about him than I do. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaBeachRedskin Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 There is no denying that if you do not have a franchise QB you must take one if your are staring one in the face when your on the clock.We need to take Clausen or Bradford at #4 end of story! Those two statements don't go together. Neither Clausen nor Bradford is a franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bricucci Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 Hmmm, I was also thinking maybe we could trade Campbell and Portis out for picks? Right now im for anything that will bring a change to our offense. Maybe we can get the Ram #1 and 2 for these guys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tml6157 Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 Those two statements don't go together. Neither Clausen nor Bradford is a franchise QB. Epic fail :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngloSackSon Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 Take a look at all the teams in the league:...... The numbers above prove if you want to a 10+ years of a TRUE franchise QB you take him in the first round. Sure there are going to be busts but your scouting department is getting paid to make sure they aren't busts. We need to take Clausen or Bradford at #4 end of story! Great analysis. The writing is on the wall. Unless Bradford and Clausen lose considerable traction throughout the combine, we're getting a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.C.O.L.B. Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 as a reflex from the cerrato debacle, I immediately think oline, but I think we have the right guy in charge now to be able to indentify the necessary talent his O will need in order to succeed... if that means using our 4th overall pick for a QB, then so be it; if he sees value in a vet, JC, or a 2nd rounder for a QB, I'll trust his judgement... This is pretty much how I feel. I want a QB. I think we need a QB. I don't think JC is the guy, at all. And I think any team that hopes to have success (the fluke of the 80's Skins aside) you need a QB to be a champion in the NFL. However, while I love Jimmy Clausen and think he's legit, what do I really know? I'm just some dude who learned football through John Madden and ES. But, and where I agree with you, I totally trust the Shanahans and Bruce Allen to make the right call. If we have a shot at Clausen and instead go Okung or Suh or McCoy or Berry or Spiller or trade down or whatever, I trust them 100%. I think we have the best personnel people in here since Bethard and Gibbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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