warriorz Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Does anyone know how accurate this statement is? Even more interesting are Campbell’s stats in shotgun formation against the Giants: 14-of-17 for 155 yards and one TD. It came from Gary Fitzgerald at this url. http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Fan_Mailbag__Is_the_No_Huddle_Offense_In_the_Works__51216.jsp If it is legit than Sherman Smith and Jim Zorn need to build around the shotgun for New York. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustAfan47 Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 JC has always been better in the shotgun... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Terrapin Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Does anyone know how accurate this statement is? It came from Gary Fitzgerald at this url. http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Fan_Mailbag__Is_the_No_Huddle_Offense_In_the_Works__51216.jsp If it is legit than Sherman Smith and Jim Zorn need to build around the shotgun for New York. OR Campbell needs to learn how to be quicker & more decisive when dropping back from under center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mi6 Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 OR Campbell needs to learn how to be quicker & more decisive when dropping back from under center. So true. NFL is not a shotgun league! For the next Giants game, I want the Skins to play lights out. Aggressive on offensive, and bone jarring on defense. :gaintsuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stbabyy Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 OR just play to our strengths! That's what good teams do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartacus87 Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 So true. NFL is not a shotgun league! Yeah.Not like Tom Brady tears it up in the shotgun every game, including both drives in the final minutes to beat the Bills Monday night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky52Mc Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Yeah.Not like Tom Brady tears it up in the shotgun every game, including both drives in the final minutes to beat the Bills Monday night. The NFL is not a copy-cat league. ... :D You do what is successful. If we need to go shotgun for 1/3 of a game, then so effing be it. Point is though, we should be beating teams on all sides of the ball so we don't make up all this **** on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 This team right now is built for an offense in the Patriots style 3 wide, JC in the shotgun, Cooley doing his thing, Portis lined up in the backfield. JC is much much better in the shotgun, you can interchane ARE or Santana in the slot, and rotate one of the big guys (Kelly, Mitchell, Thomas) on the outside. Come on Jim, you know this is what will work best. Spread the damn field and attack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartacus87 Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 This team right now is built for an offense in the Patriots style3 wide, JC in the shotgun, Cooley doing his thing, Portis lined up in the backfield. JC is much much better in the shotgun, you can interchane ARE or Santana in the slot, and rotate one of the big guys (Kelly, Mitchell, Thomas) on the outside. Come on Jim, you know this is what will work best. Spread the damn field and attack Completely agree.SHF for offensive coordinator if Zorn can't figure this out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iMeast Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 OR Campbell needs to learn how to be quicker & more decisive when dropping back from under center. I think it is a little bit of both. Jason Campbell seems to do better in shotgun because he has more time and usually receives better pass protection. On the other hand he does tend to hold onto the ball for too long causing protection to break down. HTTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkypoo Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 OR just play to our strengths! That's what good teams do! Or JC could just go over to the defensive huddle, let them know that we are going to pass, and ask them politely to not anticipate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NO iD=A-Ok Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 We just need to do whatever works for us...But, before we can do that we have to figure out what exactly works for us... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Shotgun works with JC in the game? Make sure not to run that anymore. 2 yd run between Dock/Samuels is so much more fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialKitty Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 This is slowly becoming a shotgun league. Lets embrace change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramsfan09 Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 I know the Redskins were playing from behind a lot but I'm surprised that Portis didn't get the ball more. The offense was very predictable. you have to get the ball in the hands of your playmaker. Is Portis a good receiver? I think splitting him out wide or using him as a dump off option more would be a good option for the Redskins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtdrums Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Shotgun helps the passing game, but it hurts the running game. There is no one who will dispute that going .12 gauge is easier on a QB -- you get to see more, you have more time to react to the rush, and the defense still has to respect the run unless they want to get gashed. The downside is that the RB generally gets the handoff about a yard behind where he usually does and is a fraction of a second slower getting to the line. This is unavoidable without direct snaps, and even direct snaps have their issues. It is also difficult to run quick-hitting plays to the same side the RB is lined up on. I feel like Campbell would be very good and perhaps even excel in a Patriots-style offense that required lots of throws -- and the man *is* accurate in short and medium passes. Very accurate, in fact. I also think his deep ball is better than we've seen, but that's just a guess based on his arm strength -- the issue is his timing, not anything else. Shotgun would hide his molasses release and allow him to keep his eyes downfield a little more. It would play hell with our running game though. I would be firmly in Jason's camp if I felt we would ever use him properly and if he would resolve the couple of major issues that bug me (stepping up in the pocket being one of those -- he gave himself high marks this past week for his pocket presence, and it was crap). In the right place with the right coaching, he might have very well been a stud. He might still be. But it ain't gonna be here and now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warriorz Posted September 17, 2009 Author Share Posted September 17, 2009 If he passes like that I wouldn't mind more shotgun. The only thing is he needs passes under center of for nothing else but to pose that threat and keep from being predictable. Have more running options also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rookieskin Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Balony, about predictability. Portis is such a great blocking back, however if you bring the blitz he can break out in the flat for a pass. Once you have estabilished the pass, Portis can start ripping off occasional runs bringinig in Betts and Mason to keep fresh legs in. This would be a great scheme to bring Davis in as well in 2 TE formations and utilize all that "potential talent". Moss, #2 and ARE... ...between MK, DT, and MM Somebody HAS to emerge as a viable weapon. Why keep banging your head against a brick wall, when you can be effective in the shotgun? Plus, that makes Defenses game planning that much more difficult, thereby minimizing the amount of time that can be spent gameplanning against our Vanilla offensive package. DO IT NOW!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilkyDiamonds Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 This team right now is built for an offense in the Patriots style3 wide, JC in the shotgun, Cooley doing his thing, Portis lined up in the backfield. JC is much much better in the shotgun, you can interchane ARE or Santana in the slot, and rotate one of the big guys (Kelly, Mitchell, Thomas) on the outside. Come on Jim, you know this is what will work best. Spread the damn field and attack YESSS!!!! I have been extolling the benefits of this in MANY threads. Only to hear dropback this, dropback that. We can do all that dropback stuff still, but its time to confront the fact that our offense runs better from the spread gun. Zorn can still operate his WCO from it. Hell Brady uses the gun and motion to accomplish what is really the 49ers of 80's offense. This then DOVETAILS with Blache's bend but dont break D. Going up 17 on a team leaves having to deal with a defense that will make them take LONG exhausting drives. THAT combination takes us from an 7-9 team to a potential 12-4 team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajlaird82 Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 So true. NFL is not a shotgun league!For the next Giants game, I want the Skins to play lights out. Aggressive on offensive, and bone jarring on defense. :gaintsuck We should play like this every game. That is our whole problem now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Balony, about predictability.Portis is such a great blocking back, however if you bring the blitz he can break out in the flat for a pass. Once you have estabilished the pass, Portis can start ripping off occasional runs bringinig in Betts and Mason to keep fresh legs in. This would be a great scheme to bring Davis in as well in 2 TE formations and utilize all that "potential talent". Moss, #2 and ARE... ...between MK, DT, and MM Somebody HAS to emerge as a viable weapon. Why keep banging your head against a brick wall, when you can be effective in the shotgun? Plus, that makes Defenses game planning that much more difficult, thereby minimizing the amount of time that can be spent gameplanning against our Vanilla offensive package. DO IT NOW!!! Exactly. Portis out in the flats would be very dangerous, or as a blocking back. The trap and draw plays work real well with him also (as we saw the last 4 games of 2007) The team can still use the conventional under the center drop back passing game to keep teams honest and to hand off from there for downhill situations But I think in the shotgun, JC executes much better. And it doesn't matter if a team knows whats coming if an offense can execute it. The defense will never stop it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 lets see how JC looks in the spread offense shotgun when were not down by two possessions with 3 minutes left. ill start buying some of that if hes doing this in a time game in the 2nd quarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillSkinzFan84 Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 This is nothing new. Like someone else said...JC has always been good at the shotgun. Thats why we were begging for it last year. Zorn just doesnt like it much cause its not a regulare part of "his west cost offense". What a bunch of bs. You see something that your players are good at but you dont want to do it because it doesnt fit the description of your offense...yea thats great coaching right there.:doh: And we want to put all the blame on JC:doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillSkinzFan84 Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 lets see how JC looks in the spread offense shotgun when were not down by two possessions with 3 minutes left.ill start buying some of that if hes doing this in a time game in the 2nd quarter. Maybe he would do it if he got the chance. Over his career anytime he's had the chance to just sling it, or go out of shotgun he has done well. Its not his fault that Zorn decides to call those plays for a series or 2 a game. Its no coincedence that some of JC's best plays have come when he called his own play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Maybe he would do it if he got the chance. Over his career anytime he's had the chance to just sling it, or go out of shotgun he has done well. Its not his fault that Zorn decides to call those plays for a series or 2 a game. Its no coincedence that some of JC's best plays have come when he called his own play. usually when hes "just slinging it" were down by points trying to catch up. you should be able to see a trend there. unless you can name some times where he was doing this not in the 4th quarter down by two scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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