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Does anyone know how accurate this statement is?

Even more interesting are Campbell’s stats in shotgun formation against the Giants: 14-of-17 for 155 yards and one TD.

It came from Gary Fitzgerald at this url.

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Fan_Mailbag__Is_the_No_Huddle_Offense_In_the_Works__51216.jsp

If it is legit than Sherman Smith and Jim Zorn need to build around the shotgun for New York.

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Does anyone know how accurate this statement is?

It came from Gary Fitzgerald at this url.

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Fan_Mailbag__Is_the_No_Huddle_Offense_In_the_Works__51216.jsp

If it is legit than Sherman Smith and Jim Zorn need to build around the shotgun for New York.

OR Campbell needs to learn how to be quicker & more decisive when dropping back from under center.

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OR Campbell needs to learn how to be quicker & more decisive when dropping back from under center.

So true. NFL is not a shotgun league!

For the next Giants game, I want the Skins to play lights out. Aggressive on offensive, and bone jarring on defense. :gaintsuck

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Yeah.

Not like Tom Brady tears it up in the shotgun every game, including both drives in the final minutes to beat the Bills Monday night.

:)

The NFL is not a copy-cat league. ... :D :D :D

You do what is successful. If we need to go shotgun for 1/3 of a game, then so effing be it.

Point is though, we should be beating teams on all sides of the ball so we don't make up all this **** on here.

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This team right now is built for an offense in the Patriots style

3 wide, JC in the shotgun, Cooley doing his thing, Portis lined up in the backfield.

JC is much much better in the shotgun, you can interchane ARE or Santana in the slot, and rotate one of the big guys (Kelly, Mitchell, Thomas) on the outside.

Come on Jim, you know this is what will work best. Spread the damn field and attack

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This team right now is built for an offense in the Patriots style

3 wide, JC in the shotgun, Cooley doing his thing, Portis lined up in the backfield.

JC is much much better in the shotgun, you can interchane ARE or Santana in the slot, and rotate one of the big guys (Kelly, Mitchell, Thomas) on the outside.

Come on Jim, you know this is what will work best. Spread the damn field and attack

Completely agree.

SHF for offensive coordinator if Zorn can't figure this out!

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OR Campbell needs to learn how to be quicker & more decisive when dropping back from under center.

I think it is a little bit of both. Jason Campbell seems to do better in shotgun because he has more time and usually receives better pass protection. On the other hand he does tend to hold onto the ball for too long causing protection to break down.

HTTR

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I know the Redskins were playing from behind a lot but I'm surprised that Portis didn't get the ball more. The offense was very predictable. you have to get the ball in the hands of your playmaker. Is Portis a good receiver? I think splitting him out wide or using him as a dump off option more would be a good option for the Redskins.

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Shotgun helps the passing game, but it hurts the running game.

There is no one who will dispute that going .12 gauge is easier on a QB -- you get to see more, you have more time to react to the rush, and the defense still has to respect the run unless they want to get gashed.

The downside is that the RB generally gets the handoff about a yard behind where he usually does and is a fraction of a second slower getting to the line. This is unavoidable without direct snaps, and even direct snaps have their issues.

It is also difficult to run quick-hitting plays to the same side the RB is lined up on.

I feel like Campbell would be very good and perhaps even excel in a Patriots-style offense that required lots of throws -- and the man *is* accurate in short and medium passes. Very accurate, in fact. I also think his deep ball is better than we've seen, but that's just a guess based on his arm strength -- the issue is his timing, not anything else. Shotgun would hide his molasses release and allow him to keep his eyes downfield a little more. It would play hell with our running game though.

I would be firmly in Jason's camp if I felt we would ever use him properly and if he would resolve the couple of major issues that bug me (stepping up in the pocket being one of those -- he gave himself high marks this past week for his pocket presence, and it was crap). In the right place with the right coaching, he might have very well been a stud. He might still be. But it ain't gonna be here and now.

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Balony, about predictability.

Portis is such a great blocking back, however if you bring the blitz he can break out in the flat for a pass.

Once you have estabilished the pass, Portis can start ripping off occasional runs bringinig in Betts and Mason to keep fresh legs in.

This would be a great scheme to bring Davis in as well in 2 TE formations and utilize all that "potential talent".

Moss, #2 and ARE... ...between MK, DT, and MM Somebody HAS to emerge as a viable weapon.

Why keep banging your head against a brick wall, when you can be effective in the shotgun?

Plus, that makes Defenses game planning that much more difficult, thereby minimizing the amount of time that can be spent gameplanning against our Vanilla offensive package.

DO IT NOW!!!

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This team right now is built for an offense in the Patriots style

3 wide, JC in the shotgun, Cooley doing his thing, Portis lined up in the backfield.

JC is much much better in the shotgun, you can interchane ARE or Santana in the slot, and rotate one of the big guys (Kelly, Mitchell, Thomas) on the outside.

Come on Jim, you know this is what will work best. Spread the damn field and attack

YESSS!!!!

I have been extolling the benefits of this in MANY threads. Only to hear dropback this, dropback that. We can do all that dropback stuff still, but its time to confront the fact that our offense runs better from the spread gun.

Zorn can still operate his WCO from it. Hell Brady uses the gun and motion to accomplish what is really the 49ers of 80's offense.

This then DOVETAILS with Blache's bend but dont break D.

Going up 17 on a team leaves having to deal with a defense that will make them take LONG exhausting drives.

THAT combination takes us from an 7-9 team to a potential 12-4 team

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Balony, about predictability.

Portis is such a great blocking back, however if you bring the blitz he can break out in the flat for a pass.

Once you have estabilished the pass, Portis can start ripping off occasional runs bringinig in Betts and Mason to keep fresh legs in.

This would be a great scheme to bring Davis in as well in 2 TE formations and utilize all that "potential talent".

Moss, #2 and ARE... ...between MK, DT, and MM Somebody HAS to emerge as a viable weapon.

Why keep banging your head against a brick wall, when you can be effective in the shotgun?

Plus, that makes Defenses game planning that much more difficult, thereby minimizing the amount of time that can be spent gameplanning against our Vanilla offensive package.

DO IT NOW!!!

Exactly.

Portis out in the flats would be very dangerous, or as a blocking back. The trap and draw plays work real well with him also (as we saw the last 4 games of 2007)

The team can still use the conventional under the center drop back passing game to keep teams honest and to hand off from there for downhill situations

But I think in the shotgun, JC executes much better. And it doesn't matter if a team knows whats coming if an offense can execute it. The defense will never stop it

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This is nothing new. Like someone else said...JC has always been good at the shotgun. Thats why we were begging for it last year. Zorn just doesnt like it much cause its not a regulare part of "his west cost offense". What a bunch of bs. You see something that your players are good at but you dont want to do it because it doesnt fit the description of your offense...yea thats great coaching right there.:doh: And we want to put all the blame on JC:doh:

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lets see how JC looks in the spread offense shotgun when were not down by two possessions with 3 minutes left.

ill start buying some of that if hes doing this in a time game in the 2nd quarter.

Maybe he would do it if he got the chance. Over his career anytime he's had the chance to just sling it, or go out of shotgun he has done well. Its not his fault that Zorn decides to call those plays for a series or 2 a game. Its no coincedence that some of JC's best plays have come when he called his own play.

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Maybe he would do it if he got the chance. Over his career anytime he's had the chance to just sling it, or go out of shotgun he has done well. Its not his fault that Zorn decides to call those plays for a series or 2 a game. Its no coincedence that some of JC's best plays have come when he called his own play.

usually when hes "just slinging it" were down by points trying to catch up.

you should be able to see a trend there. unless you can name some times where he was doing this not in the 4th quarter down by two scores.

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