Dark Acre Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 No! Keynsian economics does not work in the NFL. You cannot just throw money at a problem. WE, of all teams, know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0mega Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 John Jansen. that is all. ....is a Detroit Lion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoBob Posted August 20, 2009 Author Share Posted August 20, 2009 The Bengals cannot trade Andre Smith unless they sign him. The deadline for that passed about a week or so ago. They still have the rights to negotiate with him but they cannot trade him. The Bengals are lowballing Smith offering him less than Eugene Monroe got 2 spots behind him and significantly less than DHB got. I think this holdout will last longer then the Crabtree one because Crabtree has no leverage and will sign right before he starts losing game checks, this holdout is because the owner is unwilling to pay anywhere near fair market value for him and could last well into the season. Didn't the chargers trade the rights to Eli Manning for Phillip Rivers before either one had signed a contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoBob Posted August 20, 2009 Author Share Posted August 20, 2009 Where in the hell do some of you people get the notion that trades like this are even remotely feasible? It would take two first rounders or a 1st and a 2nd (or 3rd at worst) for a deal like this to happen. Nobody in their right mind would give a top 6 pick for a 1st rounder the following year and a 5th. Well, only Al Davis and Matt Millan might, that's about it. Of course stuff like this isn't normal, but players sitting out until the regular season begins is not a very common occurance...the "reduction" in value of future picks begins to dwindle as camp passes and the regular season begins. If a player comes in after the 1st or 2nd game, he is a long way away from being ready to play. If you can't count on him for this year, next year will be more like a Rookie year.... To the people that say they don't want the guy. I understand the concerns, but he would make a really good RT, and maybe a good LT with some work. I think Bugel could do alot with the guy.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chump Bailey Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 IMO, no way... I never liked the guy anyway as a prospect. He just seems too much of an egomaniac for my taste. I'm surprised nobody has called Runyan yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alleycat Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Folks...You cannot build a team in ONE year... We drafted 3 2nd rnd ball catchers 2 drafts ago...Still trying to make them work out for us. I think we can agree our D is solid for the next few years. Next year we can focus on The O line. J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibbsFactor Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 He wants more as the 6th pick then Bay got in Oakland as the 7th pick and Cinci won't do it. The guy has a point. Got to make that first contract count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 This guy has had bust written all over him since months before the draft. I can't believe he went that high actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuchip703 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 this would be something nobody in their right mind should consider....but seeing the way our FO works on occasions (giving up draft picks), It wouldn't surprise me. But like someone said earlier, I think Danny and vinny want to hold on to those first two picks next year just in case we have to make a move to get a QB if JC doesn't work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouvan59 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Didn't the chargers trade the rights to Eli Manning for Phillip Rivers before either one had signed a contract? Yes, but that was the day of the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoBob Posted August 20, 2009 Author Share Posted August 20, 2009 Yes, but that was the day of the draft. The point that I was making is that you can trade the rights to a player, even if there is no contract in place. Assuming there is no "special" clause that allows this on draft day, but not after draft day, then the timing shouldn't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpyaks3 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Yes, but that was the day of the draft. Correct, here is the relevant info Section 4. Signing of Drafted Rookies: (a) A drafted player may accept the Required Tender at any time up to and including the Tuesday following the tenth week of the regular season immediately following the Draft, at 4:00 p.m. New York time . . . ( If a Drafted Rookie has not signed a Player Contract during the period from the date of such Draft to the thirtieth day prior to the first Sunday of the regular season: (i) the Club that drafted the player may not thereafter trade to another Club either its exclusive negotiating rights to such player or any Player Contract that it signs with such player for the player’s initial League Year; and (ii) the Club that drafted the player is the only Club with which the player may sign a Player Contract until the day of the Draft in the subsequent League Year, at which time such player is eligible to be drafted in the subsequent League Year’s Draft by any Club except the Club that drafted him in the initial Draft. (After the Tuesday following the tenth week of the regular season, the player and the Club may only sign a Player Contract for future League Year(s)). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buck812 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 this would be something nobody in their right mind should consider....but seeing the way our FO works on occasions (giving up draft picks), It wouldn't surprise me. But like someone said earlier, I think Danny and vinny want to hold on to those first two picks next year just in case we have to make a move to get a QB if JC doesn't work out. Exactly... We cant do anything with our first round pick until we have resolved our QB situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuryYourDuke Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 We don't have the cap space. :no: When are we going to learn that the salary cap is a myth? It has never stopped us from getting a player we wanted, and as long as Snyder owns the team it never will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boofMcboof Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 After all the dirt that has come out on him going back to his collegiate football season you want to bring him here?! Look up the pre-draft threads on this guy and read up on his attitude and personality. Him holding out was already forecasted by Florio right after he was drafted. Dude just wants to get paid and sit back. It's pretty obvious he's going to bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoBob Posted August 20, 2009 Author Share Posted August 20, 2009 Correct, here is the relevant infoSection 4. Signing of Drafted Rookies: (a) A drafted player may accept the Required Tender at any time up to and including the Tuesday following the tenth week of the regular season immediately following the Draft, at 4:00 p.m. New York time . . . ( If a Drafted Rookie has not signed a Player Contract during the period from the date of such Draft to the thirtieth day prior to the first Sunday of the regular season: (i) the Club that drafted the player may not thereafter trade to another Club either its exclusive negotiating rights to such player or any Player Contract that it signs with such player for the player’s initial League Year; and (ii) the Club that drafted the player is the only Club with which the player may sign a Player Contract until the day of the Draft in the subsequent League Year, at which time such player is eligible to be drafted in the subsequent League Year’s Draft by any Club except the Club that drafted him in the initial Draft. (After the Tuesday following the tenth week of the regular season, the player and the Club may only sign a Player Contract for future League Year(s)). Thanks for the info, so basically, since we are within the 30 days prior to the first Sunday of the season window. They can't trade his rights, and they can't sign and trade him either.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbodiesel#44 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Exactly... We cant do anything with our first round pick until we have resolved our QB situation.Bingo. Awareness detected on ES board. I can't stand these egotistical holdouts. But Smith has a point. NFL owners set the price for these guys, and need to stick with the structure they have established. It needs revamping, but that is something the NFLPA and the league need to straighten out, and you can't blame Andre for not wanting to get screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinInsite Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Didn't we already use up all our rookie cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mithong1 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 After all the dirt that has come out on him going back to his collegiate football season you want to bring him here?! Look up the pre-draft threads on this guy and read up on his attitude and personality. Him holding out was already forecasted by Florio right after he was drafted. Dude just wants to get paid and sit back. It's pretty obvious he's going to bust. this is not like crabtree's case... andre smith is not to blame at all for this hold out. mike brown is a cheap **** and he is offering him 4.5 million LESS than what vernon gholston got last year at the same slot. yeah, people have a lot of issues with how snyder deals with this franchise, but consider yourself lucky that he is actually willing to spend money unlike mike brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskinsforlife Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 A smith is a pure left tackle. I know he looks fat but he has some really quick feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halter91 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Andre Smith seems to have been a problem since the Bowl game. I don't know whats up w/ that fat boy! Let him stay in Cinci I was watching the 1st episode of hard knocks, he's got bigger boobs then my ex gf. :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsdude Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Exactly... We cant do anything with our first round pick until we have resolved our QB situation. Bingo. We will need our first round pick, and possibly another low round pick to draft/aquire a quarterback next year. The O-line will have to be addressed with a couple of high round draft picks to protect our new mega-million dollar quarterback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitmandm Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 So I realize this is probably a long shot question, but that's what message boards are for right?With the Bengals and Andre Smith still seemingly far away on a contract, would you be pleased if the Redskins offered next years 1st rounder and a late rounder (5th maybe) for the rights to Andre Smith. You would have to assume that we would be willing to pay him at least the same amount as the Raiders gave to Heyward-Bey 23M Guaranteed / Max of 38M (per year average of 7.6M). So after what you've seen so far from our OLine, would you make the trade? I can't recall a situation where this has ever happened? I know that draft picks have been traded, but that was always on draft day, but has it ever happened months after the draft because one team wasn't able to sign a player? I think we need to hold onto our next year's first round pick. We need a QB and we need either Sneed or Bradford. A. Smith would be good, but next years QB crop is too good to not have a chance at. By the look of our offense-or lack thereof-, a top 10 pick, and a realistic shot of a top QB, looks pretty reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkypoo Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 I believe it has already been shown to be a non-option, since he can no longer, by rule, be traded. So regardless of what any of us think, it's a pointless discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam291 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 I think we should do it. With two big fat guys in Andre Smith and Mike Williams taking up so much room, we'd only need to have like 3 or 4 linemen on the field. We could have 7 receivers out at the same time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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