Obsession: Radical Islam's War Against the West

[jpyaks3]

Again, it has nothing to do with our "policies" and everything to do with our way of life. These people want the whole world to submit to their version of Islam, for Allah. Nothing we have done, or didn't do is going to change the fact that they want Islam to rule the world.

Well Osama Bin Laden, arguably the most radical of the bunch has specifically pointed out United States policies, Israeli policies, and Saudi Arabian policies as the reasons for his holy war. I do not believe he has said that he wants to conquer the world. So what does that mean, he pointed out specific policies that were the basis for why he created Al Qaeda and why he declared his holy war.

[Commander PK]

So who should I hate? Who is my enemy? I have no beef with Hezbollah, when was the last Hezbollah attack on the United States? 1983 when we had a base in Lebanon, can you show that they are any kind of threat to me right now? What about Hamas?

What we have to do is remain vigilante. If there is anything we should learn from 9/11 is when a radical says he is going to do something, believe him. Do everything that is nessesary to prevent another 9/11, because if the opportunity is given to these people to attack us. They will.

[jpyaks3]

Horse****.

My Family left Lebanon because of Islamist and Arabist. Nowhere in Lebanon is it safe for Christians, even in Zahle and Tripoli anymore. It's only a miracle she has a cedar still and not a star & crescent on her flag.

Robert Pape has done extensive work in looking into the background and states motivations for each suicide attack in the last 50 years. In Lebanon the majority of them were Socialist/Marxist with about a quarter Islamist and around 10 percent Christian.

[jpyaks3]

What we have to do is remain vigilante. If there is anything we should learn from 9/11 is when a radical says he is going to do something, believe him. Do everything that is nessesary to prevent another 9/11, because if the opportunity is given to these people to attack us. They will.

So since Osama Bin Laden says that United States policies are the basis for his attacks and Al Qaeda then the United States policy is the driving factor correct, since we are taking people exactly at their word.

[Commander PK]

What exactly are we debating in this thread? That terrorists are bad. Ok, well let me start a threat that says the Sun is yellow.

Painkiller, what exactly is your point. If you are saying terrorist are bad, I dont think anyone will disagree with you.

Dude, you have missed the point from the beginning. My intent with this thread, was to provide people the opportunity to see a film about a viable threat to this country's long term stability and security. You have completely taken this thread in a direction that I never intended it to go. Of course, my intent was to remind everyone that terrorists are bad, are real, and a threat exists to our country. That is the whole point of the thread.

[Commander PK]

Well Osama Bin Laden, arguably the most radical of the bunch has specifically pointed out United States policies, Israeli policies, and Saudi Arabian policies as the reasons for his holy war. I do not believe he has said that he wants to conquer the world. So what does that mean, he pointed out specific policies that were the basis for why he created Al Qaeda and why he declared his holy war.

I don't know how else to say it, watch the film and you will get the words right from the horses mouth. Unless of course, you believe that the footage is faked.

[jpyaks3]

Dude, you have missed the point from the beginning. My intent with this thread, was to provide people the opportunity to see a film about a viable threat to this country's long term stability and security. You have completely taken this thread in a direction that I never intended it to go. Of course, my intent was to remind everyone that terrorists are bad, are real, and a threat exists to our country. That is the whole point of the thread.

Oh well if thats all you were arguing then I have a problem with the medium through which you bring it up (a biased film) but I wholeheartedly agree terrorism is a problem but I do think its been vastly overblown.

[Commander PK]

So since Osama Bin Laden says that United States policies are the basis for his attacks and Al Qaeda then the United States policy is the driving factor correct, since we are taking people exactly at their word.

While for some that may be the case, for the vast majority of extremists our very existence is a blasphemy.

Saying American Policies are to blame for this, is also saying that America can reduce the threat by changing it's policies. Do you believe this to be the case? If we change our policies, we are no longer threatened?

[Commander PK]

terrorism is a problem but I do think its been vastly overblown.

Nazi Germany was overblown also, until it wasn't overblown anymore.

[Heisenberg]

LOL at this thread.

Terrorism is bad? You really needed a video like this to tell you that?

Who exactly is ignoring terrorism?

[jpyaks3]

While for some that may be the case, for the vast majority of extremists our very existence is a blasphemy.

Saying American Policies are to blame for this, is also saying that America can reduce the threat by changing it's policies. Do you believe this to be the case? If we change our policies, we are no longer threatened?

I think if we change our policies we can reduce the hatred directed towards us greatly. I think groups like Al Qaeda will continue to try and attack us because at this point they are pretty much going to try and attack us no matter what. However I think their recruitment will vastly drop off and a lot of anti American sentiment in the Arab world will be removed. I think changing our policies towards Arab leaders, like Mubarak combined with a more rational Israel/Palestine policy can be extremely beneficial in reducing anti American sentiment and go a long way towards helping the Arab world step forwards.

[wahaj23]

Dude, you have missed the point from the beginning. My intent with this thread, was to provide people the opportunity to see a film about a viable threat to this country's long term stability and security. You have completely taken this thread in a direction that I never intended it to go. Of course, my intent was to remind everyone that terrorists are bad, are real, and a threat exists to our country. That is the whole point of the thread.[/quote]

What? So terrorist are bad....its a simple question, is this thread talking about whether or not terrorist are bad? If you are trying to say that they are bad, NO ONE will disagree.

[Commander PK]

LOL at this thread.

Terrorism is bad? You really needed a video like this to tell you that?

Who exactly is ignoring terrorism?

This is the last response I'll make for now. I have other things to do today.

As for your condescending comments, no smart ass I didn't need a video to tell me Terrorists are bad. I knew that already. The video just opened up my eyes to a few aspects of Radical Islam that I was not aware of, and I wanted to share the film with anybody who may not have watched it yet.

and I never said anybody was ignoring terrorism. I do think people need to be reminded of how serious the threat is, and what the penalty may be for ignoring it's existence.

[Commander PK]

Dude, you have missed the point from the beginning. My intent with this thread, was to provide people the opportunity to see a film about a viable threat to this country's long term stability and security. You have completely taken this thread in a direction that I never intended it to go. Of course, my intent was to remind everyone that terrorists are bad, are real, and a threat exists to our country. That is the whole point of the thread.[/quote]

What? So terrorist are bad....its a simple question, is this thread talking about whether or not terrorist are bad? If you are trying to say that they are bad, NO ONE will disagree.

Here is a copy of my original post. Now...what do you think I am saying here?

I did a search, and I haven't seen any threads on this film. It was released a few years back, and a friend of mine gave it to me to watch.

This film should be required viewing for EVERY American. If you watch this film, and you still don't get what it is the civilized world is up against in Radical Islam, then you will never understand.

http://www.obsessionthemovie.com/

[Heisenberg]

This is the last response I'll make for now. I have other things to do today.

As for your condescending comments, no smart ass I didn't need a video to tell me Terrorists are bad. I knew that already. The video just opened up my eyes to a few aspects of Radical Islam that I was not aware of, and I wanted to share the film with anybody who may not have watched it yet.

and I never said anybody was ignoring terrorism. I do think people need to be reminded of how serious the threat is, and what the penalty may be for ignoring it's existence.

Wasn't meant as condescending really - just the fact that you needed a borderline propaganda film to tell you about this I find funny.

Thanks for sharing I guess - doesn't mean it's not a fear mongering "film".

You could just as easily make a film on any other extreme group, add a bit of creepy music, and make it seem like there were tons of people out to lynch minorities or blow up abortion clinics.

Let's not forget this is the extreme minority.

[wahaj23]

Here is a copy of my original post. Now...what do you think I am saying here?

The World is up against terrorists? What are you trying to say?

[Commander PK]

Ok, I lied. Here is the synopsis of the film.

http://www.obsessionthemovie.com/about_synopsis.php

About Obsession

Obsession - Radical Islam's War Against the West is a new film that will challenge the way you look at the world.

Almost 70 years ago, Europe found itself at war with one of the most sinister figures in modern history: Adolf Hitler. When the last bullet of World War II was fired, over 50 million people were dead, and countless countries were both physically and economically devastated. Hitler’s bloody struggle sought to forge the world anew, in the crucible of Nazi values. How could such a disaster occur? How could the West have overlooked the evil staring it in the face, for so long, before standing forcefully against it?

Today, we find ourselves confronted by a new enemy, also engaged in a violent struggle to transform our world. As we sleep in the comfort of our homes, a new evil rises against us. A new menace is threatening, with all the means at its disposal, to bow Western Civilization under the yoke of its values. That enemy is Radical Islam.

Using images from Arab TV, rarely seen in the West, Obsession reveals an ‘insider's view' of the hatred the Radicals are teaching, their incitement of global jihad, and their goal of world domination. With the help of experts, including first-hand accounts from a former PLO terrorist, a Nazi youth commander, and the daughter of a martyred guerilla leader, the film shows, clearly, that the threat is real.

A peaceful religion is being hijacked by a dangerous foe, who seeks to destroy the shared values we stand for. The world should be very concerned.

[Commander PK]

The World is up against terrorists? What are you trying to say?

:doh: I'm done, somebody else can have a crack at this one.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

Thank God this generation (my generation) didnt have to go against Communism. We'd fold in a second; hiding in the closet and sucking on our thumbs. What a bunch of *******.

[ACW]

I think if we change our policies we can reduce the hatred directed towards us greatly. I think groups like Al Qaeda will continue to try and attack us because at this point they are pretty much going to try and attack us no matter what. However I think their recruitment will vastly drop off and a lot of anti American sentiment in the Arab world will be removed. I think changing our policies towards Arab leaders, like Mubarak combined with a more rational Israel/Palestine policy can be extremely beneficial in reducing anti American sentiment and go a long way towards helping the Arab world step forwards.

:applause: