NoleSkin21 Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Lets look at what number 13 has produced over the last 15 years. Kind of a mixed bag of results. A HOF'er in Tony Gonzalez. Jonathan Stewart and Wimbley were great picks, and are solid young players. Jammal Brown is a solid tackle. Looking at this list I would love to trade out to later in the first and maybe accrue a 2nd round pick. Sorry if something like this has been posted already, the search function wouldn't work for me. 2008- Jonathan Stewart RB 2007- Adam Carriker DT 2006-Kam Wimbley OLB 2005-Jammal Brown T 2004-Lee Evans WR 2003-Ty Warren DE 2002- Donte Stallworth WR 2001-Damione Lewis DT 2000-John Abraham OLB/DE 1999-Troy Edwards WR 1998-Takeo Spikes LB 1997- Tony Gonzalez TE 1996-Walt Harris CB 1995- Mark Fields LB 1994-Joe Johnson DE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estrella117 Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 the only really good ones are obviousley Tony G. / TY Warren / Lee Evans / John Abraham / Jammal Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrellsMyHero28 Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 I would love to have Stewart, but we need linemen. I still think we need to trade down, this team has too many needs and is desperate for depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 So you're saying we have a 6/15 = 40% chance that we'll address the offensive or defensive lines in the draft this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightbird Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 One hall of famer, a handful of busts, and otherwise a list of pretty good to very good. Fair enough. Walt Harris. Haha, who knew? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins-Canes-Mounties Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Spikes was very solid in his prime as well before injury. There will be busts at every pick. Overall, I think that list is fairly solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoleSkin21 Posted January 8, 2009 Author Share Posted January 8, 2009 I can't believe Edwards was taken that high!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
da#1skinsfan Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Stewart made an immediate impact this year. Carriker wasnt bad as I recall. Spikes was great in his prime. Abraham, etc. You could do this for any pick in the 1st and it would be the same. 20% hit 40% bust 40% serviceable player. Although I bet theres a wierd number where its like 80% hit just completely flukey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estrella117 Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 I can't believe Edwards was taken that high!! It's called hype my man! To many people read into it and don't look to see if they actually will be good on the next level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoleSkin21 Posted January 8, 2009 Author Share Posted January 8, 2009 Is he still kicking around in the league somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman#21 Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Not a bad list at all...in fact i think well do fine at that pick hopefully we keep it we traded down last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Stewart made an immediate impact this year. Carriker wasnt bad as I recall. Spikes was great in his prime. Abraham, etc.You could do this for any pick in the 1st and it would be the same. 20% hit 40% bust 40% serviceable player. Although I bet theres a wierd number where its like 80% hit just completely flukey. Yeah. It'd be a little more interesting to see the type of packages that this pick (and picks around it) have been traded for in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimpey42000 Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 I like some of those prospects, you might make an argument that the 13th pick is a good slot to have a 1st rounder at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jp redskin Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 I would love to have Stewart, but we need linemen.I still think we need to trade down, this team has too many needs and is desperate for depth. lets just trade down 15 times then we'll have 4 fifth round picks, 10 sixth round picks and 14 seventh round picks, yay depth. how about drafting at 13 and getting a STARTER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhensl1 Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Yeah. It'd be a little more interesting to see the type of packages that this pick (and picks around it) have been traded for in the past. im not sure about years past trades and everything but i thought detroit made a great trade last year when they traded their first (15) and 3rd (76) to Kansas City for their first(17), third(66), and fifth (136). i think we need to do a trade similiar to this. just trading down a couple spots to pick up an extra pick and we still can get an elite player from the first round. I wasnt a big fan of trading our first, third, and fifth for 2 seconds and a 4th last year. we need to start selecting elite players in the first instead of just trying to get ok players later in the draft. i would much rather move down 2 spots to 15 this year and pick up an extra 4th or 5th round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Terrapin Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Props for the idea of the post. We have one mission in this year's draft..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncr2h Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Keep in mind Walt Harris has been a pretty good player in this league (he had a lackluster beginning of '05 for us, everywhere else he has been solid to good). I'd say that list makes me feel a lot better about the player we'll be getting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 im not sure about years past trades and everything but i thought detroit made a great trade last year when they traded their first (15) and 3rd (76) to Kansas City for their first(17), third(66), and fifth (136). i think we need to do a trade similiar to this. just trading down a couple spots to pick up an extra pick and we still can get an elite player from the first round. I wasnt a big fan of trading our first, third, and fifth for 2 seconds and a 4th last year. we need to start selecting elite players in the first instead of just trying to get ok players later in the draft. i would much rather move down 2 spots to 15 this year and pick up an extra 4th or 5th round pick. I honestly still like our draft from last year on a talent perspective because we were able to get two guys who mock drafts had going in the first round (Kelly and Thomas) and one guy who mocks had going as a first or second (Davis). I mean, people on extremeskins were debating whether or not we should take him with our first round pick, and he fell to us at our original second round pick. We can debate back and forth about his knee issues, but I still like the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhensl1 Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 I honestly still like our draft from last year on a talent perspective because we were able to get two guys who mock drafts had going in the first round (Kelly and Thomas) and one guy who mocks had going as a first or second (Davis). I mean, people on extremeskins were debating whether or not we should take him with our first round pick, and he fell to us at our original second round pick. We can debate back and forth about his knee issues, but I still like the pick. o yea dont get me wrong i loved our draft last year and havent been complaining about our rookies one bit. I think their progression had alot to do with zorn not trusting them and i am definately not a rookie basher like most people here. I thought we had a great draft and i still think we did. but hear me out. if we would have traded our 21 down to say 25 and picked up an extra fifth round pick. we could have gotten a fairly elite player possibly and then we could have gotten thomas or davis with our second. I believe kelly would have fell to us with our 3rd round pick because of his knee problems and then rhinehart was believed to have still been there for our other 3rd rounder we got from dockery. and we could have gotten tryon in the fifth or six. I like the players, i just think the concensus was we draft most of them (kelly, rhinehart, and tryon) a little too early. i just think if we did it differently we could have ended up with the same players and switched out one of our seconds to a guy with elite first round talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 the only really good ones are obviousley Tony G. / TY Warren / Lee Evans / John Abraham / Jammal Brown Tony Gonzalez? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recent Vintage Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 but hear me out. if we would have traded our 21 down to say 25 and picked up an extra fifth round pick. we could have gotten a fairly elite player possibly and then we could have gotten thomas or davis with our second. I believe kelly would have fell to us with our 3rd round pick because of his knee problems and then rhinehart was believed to have still been there for our other 3rd rounder we got from dockery. and we could have gotten tryon in the fifth or six. I like the players, i just think the concensus was we draft most of them (kelly, rhinehart, and tryon) a little too early. i just think if we did it differently we could have ended up with the same players and switched out one of our seconds to a guy with elite first round talent. You keep saying "elite first round talent" but Vinny would've taken Devin Thomas at 21. I've read him quoted as saying that trading down was "giving up Devin Thomas" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fourth King Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 This thread is the most logical thing. You really think just because we have pick 13 that means we'll get someone of these guys' caliber? Which is mixed already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyConway Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Lets look at what number 13 has produced over the last 15 years. Kind of a mixed bag of results. A HOF'er in Tony Gonzalez. Jonathan Stewart and Wimbley were great picks, and are solid young players. Jammal Brown is a solid tackle. Looking at this list I would love to trade out to later in the first and maybe accrue a 2nd round pick. Sorry if something like this has been posted already, the search function wouldn't work for me. 2008- Jonathan Stewart RB 2007- Adam Carriker DT 2006-Kam Wimbley OLB 2005-Jammal Brown T 2004-Lee Evans WR 2003-Ty Warren DE 2002- Donte Stallworth WR 2001-Damione Lewis DT 2000-John Abraham OLB/DE 1999-Troy Edwards WR 1998-Takeo Spikes LB 1997- Tony Gonzalez TE 1996-Walt Harris CB 1995- Mark Fields LB 1994-Joe Johnson DE To provide some perspective here are the picks at #14. Recently most have been pretty good picks with Revis, Bunkley, and Harris. We can definitely get some good value at #13 if we don't trade down. 2008- Chris Williams OT 2007- Darrelle Revis CB 2006-Brodrick Bunkley DT 2005-Thomas Davis DB 2004-Tommie Harris DT 2003-Michael Haynes DE 2002- Jeremy Shockey TE 2001-Kenyatta Walker T 2000-Bubba Franks TE 1999-John Tait T 1998-Jason Peter DE 1997- Reinard Wilson OLB 1996-Eddie George RB 1995- Ruben Brown G 1994-Bernard Williams T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhensl1 Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 You keep saying "elite first round talent" but Vinny would've taken Devin Thomas at 21. I've read him quoted as saying that trading down was "giving up Devin Thomas" well yea thats kinda my point. Vinny is drafting guys way to early and not getting enough trade value for his picks. my point is that he has got to be smarter and just trade down a couple spots and get somebody with that "elite" talent and still get the guys he wants later in the draft since it seems nobody else has them ranked anywhere near as high. i really liked our picks but i just dont think vinny or anybody else in our front office knows where these people will be taken. i think we got great value for thomas and am suprised he lasted that long, i just think we could have landed a first round DE and thomas if vinny was smarter or studied more about where players will most likely be taken. i think its great that we rank the players ourselves and only go off of our draft board, but at the same time you have to know where most other teams have them ranked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsNation Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Nice list...I look at who was taken 13th or lower...meaning who COULD a team have taken. Probably studs all over the first round after 13 in recent years...thats a good thing. I think we are best to trade the pick in the high 20's and recoup a pick or 2 by doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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