How long till a black person wins the Republican nomination for President?

[SnyderShrugged]

This isn't directed so much at you Tuckahoe, but just something I've been thinking about, and your post is a decent launching point.

In the heat of election season, the rhetoric gets overblown. Just as John McCain's proposed economic policies won't screw the working man, neither will Barack Obama's economic policies be so onerous to business. He is smarter than that, as will be the people in his administration.

Everybody can relax, America won't be turned into a socialist state that coddles terrorists under an Obama administration. Really. It won't happen. And John McCain won't angrily lurch for the launch codes the first time he gets pissed off.

Don't buy into the hype.

but at least we can take solace in knowing that they both will effectively drive our economy further into crisis once elected.

[Metskins]

They could have had Colin Powell.

People are so ridiculous to say that they won't see a Republican Presidential nominee in their lifetime. Think of how much has changed in the last 20-30 years. It's nowhere near a guarantee.

[SUSkinsFan]

What are the arguments of those against photo ID??

Poorer people don't have them is one of the big ones.

I have always argued against requiring it to vote, but I have no problem requiring it to register.

When I voted in the 08 primary I didn't need to show ID. All they did to verify who I was was ask me my name, address and DOB and that worked perfectly

[WVUforREDSKINS]

They could have had Colin Powell.

People are so ridiculous to say that they won't see a Republican Presidential nominee in their lifetime. Think of how much has changed in the last 20-30 years. It's nowhere near a guarantee.

Even if race wasn't a factor the odds aren't that good for a black to get the nominee. How many prominent black politicians are there compared to whites. He still has to show that he is the best and get the nominee.

So from a statistical standpoint it is ridiculous to say that there will be a black nominee anytime soon.

[Cooked Crack]

We've made it clear David Duke is not welcome in the party. You're perpetuating a lie.

Photo ID is a good idea and those who don't have them can get one easily at DMV. Those who fight so hard against it are doing so to keep open the avenues of voter fraud.

He might not be welcomed but he won as a Republican. It's bad PR if a KKK leader is holding office and has a R next to his name.

You have to pay for a photo ID, you have to wait in line, you have transport yourself to the local DMV to get one. It's hard enough registering people but now you put one more obstacle for them to vote.

[TuckahoeSkin]

Poorer people don't have them is one of the big ones.

I have always argued against requiring it to vote, but I have no problem requiring it to register.

When I voted in the 08 primary I didn't need to show ID. All they did to verify who I was was ask me my name, address and DOB and that worked perfectly

With that information, anyone of your friends could have taken your vote.

Georgia tried to institute a photo ID law, but Jesse Jackson was against it. Even when the state offered to go to the houses of those who needed an ID, but couldn't get to the state offices to get one. They also offered to provide them for free, but Jackson didn't like that either. WTF?

[TuckahoeSkin]

He might not be welcomed but he won as a Republican. It's bad PR if a KKK leader is holding office and has a R next to his name.

You have to pay for a photo ID, you have to wait in line, you have transport yourself to the local DMV to get one. It's hard enough registering people but now you put one more obstacle for them to vote.

You need a photo ID to buy a pack of smokes. :doh:

[SUSkinsFan]

With that information, anyone of your friends could have taken your vote.

Georgia tried to institute a photo ID law, but Jesse Jackson was against it. Even when the state offered to go to the houses of those who needed an ID, but couldn't get to the state offices to get one. They also offered to provide them for free, but Jackson didn't like that either. WTF?

You'll have to take that up with Jesse Jackson.

And yes, if someone really wanted to, they could steal my vote with that information. But even with photo ID, if someone is dedicated to committing voter fraud, they can do it.

[SnyderShrugged]

what logical reason could anyone have for not requireing photo ID of some sort? Heck, even without a drivers license, one would need a sheriffs ID or something for most everyday purposes,wouldnt they? I just dont get those that are against this very logical requirement.

[Cooked Crack]

You need a photo ID to buy a pack of smokes. :doh:

Everyone smokes now? You have to be 18 to smoke, it's not that hard to buy cigs without ID.

[SkinsHokieFan]

I have never understood the "anti ID while voting" movement either

Makes no sense at all

As far as the original question, why would any black person or minority want to run as a Republican anything in the next 50 years?

The Republicans will be a minority party and may get the White House 2 or 3 times in the next 12 elections

[TuckahoeSkin]

I have never understood the "anti ID while voting" movement either

Makes no sense at all

As far as the original question, why would any black person or minority want to run as a Republican anything in the next 50 years?

The Republicans will be a minority party and may get the White House 2 or 3 times in the next 12 elections

Those who crowed about Goldwater's loss probably felt the same way.

[Metskins]

Even if race wasn't a factor the odds aren't that good for a black to get the nominee. How many prominent black politicians are there compared to whites. He still has to show that he is the best and get the nominee.

So from a statistical standpoint it is ridiculous to say that there will be a black nominee anytime soon.

You could have said the same thing about a female VP before this year.

The more black Americans become affluent, the more they'll vote Republican. Just a simple fact.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Those who crowed about Goldwater's loss probably felt the same way.

Goldwater's loss was far different.

Vietnam ended up belonging to the Democrats

The "southern Dems" started to flock over to the Republicans

Ronald Reagan emerged as a national force in 1964, and the conservative movement saw that its time was coming very soon

This is much more like 1932. You have a charasmatic Dem, who many see as "the one" and who has some incredible political skills

You will have a supermajority of liberals who will be able to jerrymander themselves into power for the next generation

You also have George W Bush. That name will be repeated until we are all dead.

On top of that, you have demographic changes which favor Democrats, similar to the demographic changes in the 70s which started to favor conservatives

[TuckahoeSkin]

Goldwater's loss was far different.

Vietnam ended up belonging to the Democrats

The "southern Dems" started to flock over to the Republicans

Ronald Reagan emerged as a national force in 1964, and the conservative movement saw that its time was coming very soon

This is much more like 1932. You have a charasmatic Dem, who many see as "the one" and who has some incredible political skills

You will have a supermajority of liberals who will be able to jerrymander themselves into power for the next generation

You also have George W Bush. That name will be repeated until we are all dead.

On top of that, you have demographic changes which favor Democrats, similar to the demographic changes in the 70s which started to favor conservatives

Don't be too confident.

You still have a candidate that has never run anything. He has always eyed a higher office before he either proved himself or became exposed. He's in the ultimate job. There's nowhere else to go. Can he produce? If you bill yourself as the messiah, you better start producing miracles. How long before his own party begins to eat him?

[SUSkinsFan]

Don't be too confident.

You still have a candidate that has never run anything. He has always eyed a higher office before he either proved himself or became exposed. He's in the ultimate job. There's nowhere else to go. Can he produce? If you bill yourself as the messiah, you better start producing miracles. How long before his own party begins to eat him?

He does not bill himself as the messiah. It was Farrakhan (who is far from a decent human being) who said that he was "the one" and Fox News acts like every Obama supported bows down before him and hopes he will turn water into wine. I do not believe Obama is the second coming of Christ. I believe he is a man who is running for the highest office in the land and wants to make his country better. No more, and no less.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Don't be too confident.

You still have a candidate that has never run anything. He has always eyed a higher office before he either proved himself or became exposed. He's in the ultimate job. There's nowhere else to go. Can he produce? If you bill yourself as the messiah, you better start producing miracles. How long before his own party begins to eat him?

Psst. I am as partisan Republican as you get on this board

[Cooked Crack]

You could have said the same thing about a female VP before this year.

The more black Americans become affluent, the more they'll vote Republican. Just a simple fact.

A VP is chosen not elected. Which female Republicans were in the running for Pres?

[Dan T.]

If you bill yourself as the messiah, you better start producing miracles.

Seriously, do you even believe this tripe as you type it? You may have had a decent point to make somewhere in there, but you stain it with this crap.

[Jumbo]

Psst. I am as partisan Republican as you get on this board

As you wish, but you're certainly one of the most intelligent, objective, even-handed, non-childish, non-reactionary, and reasonable partisans then. I'm not sure you properly understand the partisan stereotype.

BTW, didn't intend to ruin your rep or put any pressure on you with my assessment.

[TuckahoeSkin]

Seriously, do you even believe this tripe as you type it? You may have had a decent point to make somewhere in there, but you stain it with this crap.

If you bill yourself as better than all the rest, the best, you better produce. He has not knocked down his supporters who have set an extremely high bar for him. He will be exposed.

Do you believe your tripe?

For all of you who don't like him being called messiah, you should step back and recognize the irony in your crusade to defend him.

[Special K]

I'm not sure I'll see it in my lifetime. It took Republicans 24 years to get a female VP candidate it's probably going to be double that to get a brotha on the ticket. Maybe they'll ease it in with a black VP. I know Colin Powell could have done it but now he's just too black for them.

Are you for real? This is one of the most idiotic OP's I've read in a while here, and THAT's really saying something with the recent threads we've had. Seriously, Colin Powell is just "too black" for us? Give me an effing break. It's crap like this type of mentality that is so highly destructive and holds back progress that is being made in racial relations in this country.

It has been noted in some other threads that there are a few prominent minority candidates in our party who don't quite have the national name recognition yet...but I have no doubt they would have the support of our party once they did become a serious contender.

[Cooked Crack]

Are you for real? This is one of the most idiotic OP's I've read in a while here, and THAT's really saying something with the recent threads we've had. Seriously, Colin Powell is just "too black" for us? Give me an effing break. It's crap like this type of mentality that is so highly destructive and holds back progress that is being made in racial relations in this country..

To get a grasp on the GOP's perception of Powell's blackness, we put together a little chart from the perspective of the die-hard right, indicating just how black Powell has been perceived by his party, on a scale from Scarlett Johannsen to Lil Wayne:

[Special K]

To get a grasp on the GOP's perception of Powell's blackness, we put together a little chart from the perspective of the die-hard right, indicating just how black Powell has been perceived by his party, on a scale from Scarlett Johannsen to Lil Wayne:

Yeah, that looks like a very scientific graph...did the guys in It's Always Sunny in Philly make that for you?

[Ellis]

Micheal Steele 2012