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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating state or collective ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and the creation of an egalitarian society.

It seems the fundamental idea of socialism is state or collective ownership and administration of means of production and distirbution of goods.

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Main Entry: so·cial·ism

Pronunciation: \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\

Function: noun

Date: 1837

1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

http://mw1.m-w.com/dictionary/socialism

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Main Entry: so·cial·ism

Pronunciation: \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\

Function: noun

Date: 1837

1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

http://mw1.m-w.com/dictionary/socialism

Ouch...:laugh::laugh::laugh:

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Main Entry: so·cial·ism

Pronunciation: \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\

Function: noun

Date: 1837

1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

http://mw1.m-w.com/dictionary/socialism

wow good thing it's not 1837

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I'd like to know what everyone's motivation is for posting and responding to this thread... Is this just a broad discussion of the definition of socialism?

My motivation was to answer the OP's question and add to the partial definition that he appeared to be relying upon to prove his somewhat nebulous point.

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3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

No way.... because in a capitalistic society..... there simply can't be an unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done :rolleyes::ols:

Come on... that's your best shot?!? :)

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Main Entry: so·cial·ism

Pronunciation: \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\

Function: noun

Date: 1837

1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

http://mw1.m-w.com/dictionary/socialism

Actually, a stage of society in Marxist theory your definition refers to also has collective ownership of stuff at its core.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/socialism

3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.

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No thesaurus, but hasn't Marxist theory already been proven wrong?

I'm largely ignorant here

but I think Marx expected the urban workers to revolt against capitalism

they didn't

rural workers did in Russia and China (for example) so he was wrong in that respect, because socialism lead to enough redistribution of wealth that workers were kept happy enough and work regulations prevented some of the most eggrigious actions. I don't think Marx ever thought his communism would ever really flourish in rural societies like China and Russia. So I think he hasn't been tested in an urban industrial nation... but those nations generally have enough wealth to spread to the workers to keep them happy enough.

How can it not be akin when Marx is the one who invented socialist philosophy?

well words as letters and sounds don't always have the same essential meanings to people throughout time. Such as liberal and conservative for example.

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Socialism is government redistribution of wealth within a capitalist economy (my personal idea)
Thats one of the most accurate representations that I've seen here.:applause:

That definition confirms to your understanding, but that does not make it correct. It fails to acknowledge the fundamental principle of socialism, which is collective ownership of means of production.

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My motivation was to answer the OP's question and add to the partial definition that he appeared to be relying upon to prove his somewhat nebulous point.

Yeah! I was just curious... WTF is this thread about? Let's talk about how the Redskins would operate if Snyder was more of a socialist than a capitalist... I'll just quote what Wes Unseld once said about former Bullet, Charles Jones: "I'd like to have 12 Charles Jones' if possible... Of course, we wouldn't win any games..."

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Socialism in it's pure form would appear to be an ideal society. However, since humans are in charge and humans are eminently corruptible, it will never work.

~Bang

I can't tell you how many times I've heard that. "Socialism works in a perfect world..." No it doesn't. Government control means central planning. Central Planning cannot work because of the lack of a realiable price system. The lack of accurate prices means misallocation and malinvestment. On a national scale, this means depression and famine. So it doesn't fail because humans are corruptible, but it fails because no central planner can ever have perfect information.

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