alexey Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating state or collective ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and the creation of an egalitarian society. It seems the fundamental idea of socialism is state or collective ownership and administration of means of production and distirbution of goods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhouse Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1830262 I kid....I kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhouse Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1830262 Sorry double post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 You left off the other accepted definitions... Main Entry: so·cial·ism Pronunciation: \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\ Function: noun Date: 1837 1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods 2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state 3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done http://mw1.m-w.com/dictionary/socialism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Punani Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 You left off the other accepted definitions...Main Entry: so·cial·ism Pronunciation: \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\ Function: noun Date: 1837 1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods 2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state 3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done http://mw1.m-w.com/dictionary/socialism Ouch...:laugh::laugh::laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoot Point Really Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 I'd like to know what everyone's motivation is for posting and responding to this thread... Is this just a broad discussion of the definition of socialism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 So far we have a one sentence definition from Wikipedia, and a 3 sentence definition from a dictionary. Next post should definitely link to a thesaurus. :munchout: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 You left off the other accepted definitions...Main Entry: so·cial·ism Pronunciation: \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\ Function: noun Date: 1837 1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods 2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state 3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done http://mw1.m-w.com/dictionary/socialism wow good thing it's not 1837 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 I'd like to know what everyone's motivation is for posting and responding to this thread... Is this just a broad discussion of the definition of socialism? My motivation was to answer the OP's question and add to the partial definition that he appeared to be relying upon to prove his somewhat nebulous point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 12th Commandment Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 No thesaurus, but hasn't Marxist theory already been proven wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Socialism is government redistribution of wealth within a capitalist economy (my personal idea) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Socialism is government redistribution of wealth within a capitalist economy (my personal idea) Thats one of the most accurate representations that I've seen here.:applause: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulane Skins Fan Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 No thesaurus, but hasn't Marxist theory already been proven wrong? In application, yes, for the most part. But socialism is not akin to Marxist theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 You left off the other accepted definitions...3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done No way.... because in a capitalistic society..... there simply can't be an unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done Come on... that's your best shot?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Punani Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 In application, yes, for the most part. But socialism is not akin to Marxist theory. How can it not be akin when Marx is the one who invented socialist philosophy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexey Posted October 16, 2008 Author Share Posted October 16, 2008 You left off the other accepted definitions...Main Entry: so·cial·ism Pronunciation: \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\ Function: noun Date: 1837 1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods 2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state 3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done http://mw1.m-w.com/dictionary/socialism Actually, a stage of society in Marxist theory your definition refers to also has collective ownership of stuff at its core. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/socialism 3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 No thesaurus, but hasn't Marxist theory already been proven wrong? I'm largely ignorant here but I think Marx expected the urban workers to revolt against capitalism they didn't rural workers did in Russia and China (for example) so he was wrong in that respect, because socialism lead to enough redistribution of wealth that workers were kept happy enough and work regulations prevented some of the most eggrigious actions. I don't think Marx ever thought his communism would ever really flourish in rural societies like China and Russia. So I think he hasn't been tested in an urban industrial nation... but those nations generally have enough wealth to spread to the workers to keep them happy enough. How can it not be akin when Marx is the one who invented socialist philosophy? well words as letters and sounds don't always have the same essential meanings to people throughout time. Such as liberal and conservative for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Socialism in it's pure form would appear to be an ideal society. However, since humans are in charge and humans are eminently corruptible, it will never work. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 No way.... because in a capitalistic society..... there simply can't be an unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done Come on... that's your best shot?!? Umm, that wasnt MY definition, it was the definition in Websters. call them and complain if you disagree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Actually, a stage of society in Marxist theory your definition refers to also has collective ownership of stuff at its core.http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/socialism I dont see where we are disagreeing in more than semantics then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexey Posted October 16, 2008 Author Share Posted October 16, 2008 Socialism is government redistribution of wealth within a capitalist economy (my personal idea) Thats one of the most accurate representations that I've seen here.:applause: That definition confirms to your understanding, but that does not make it correct. It fails to acknowledge the fundamental principle of socialism, which is collective ownership of means of production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoot Point Really Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 My motivation was to answer the OP's question and add to the partial definition that he appeared to be relying upon to prove his somewhat nebulous point. Yeah! I was just curious... WTF is this thread about? Let's talk about how the Redskins would operate if Snyder was more of a socialist than a capitalist... I'll just quote what Wes Unseld once said about former Bullet, Charles Jones: "I'd like to have 12 Charles Jones' if possible... Of course, we wouldn't win any games..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnLockesGhost Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Socialism in it's pure form would appear to be an ideal society. However, since humans are in charge and humans are eminently corruptible, it will never work.~Bang I can't tell you how many times I've heard that. "Socialism works in a perfect world..." No it doesn't. Government control means central planning. Central Planning cannot work because of the lack of a realiable price system. The lack of accurate prices means misallocation and malinvestment. On a national scale, this means depression and famine. So it doesn't fail because humans are corruptible, but it fails because no central planner can ever have perfect information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexey Posted October 16, 2008 Author Share Posted October 16, 2008 I dont see where we are disagreeing in more than semantics then Our disagreement is fundamental. You seem to assert that collective owneship of means of production is not THE idea of socialism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 That definition confirms to your understanding, but that does not make it correct. It fails to acknowledge the fundamental principle of socialism, which is collective ownership of means of production. Is the AIG rescue then a socialist qualifier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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