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What are we looking for in our draft choices? Its obvious we want WR, DB, DL, and OL. But each need is a bit different. For instance, saying we need a WR is a bit vague, because DeSean Jackson is a WR, but we have no need for him. Take a look at the poll, and check it out.

Just thought we should get an ES consensus the day before the draft.

Edit- I forgot to mention that in the poll, the balance DE would have less pass rush skills than the pass rush specialist

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WR=Tall Red Zone Threat

DE= Speed end rusher opposing Carter

DT=Back-up run stopper...maybe become a future starter after griffin moves on

CB=Add Depth, maybe become a Nickel back...Springs is gone IMO after next year...also getting older

OL=someone who can add depth but also take over for Pete Kendal by mid-season hopefully

S=Depth

OLB=Depth

QB=3rd sttringer...maybe become a system player in Zorns West Coast scheme

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]']I didn't mention DT' date=' OLB, and QB because we strictly need depth at those positions, and I don't anticipate anyone here wanting to draft any of those positions with the 1st, except for maybe DT.[/quote']

Yeah. Though, at DT, I'd say we need a one-gap penetrator who can apply pressure up the middle more than a wide-body space-eater taking up blocks. It would be great to have someone provide the presence that Griffin did back in 2004. One of the best seasons I've seen from any D-linemen.

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Yeah, if we had to draft a pass rusher in this draft, I'd rather have a 6 sack guy from in the interior (who also gets a ton of pressure) than a 10 sack guy on the edge. Pressure up the middle is far more valuable then pressure off the edge.

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]']What are we looking for in our draft choices? Its obvious we want WR' date=' DB, DL, and OL. But each need is a bit different. For instance, saying we need a WR is a bit vague, because DeSean Jackson is a WR, but we have no need for him. Take a look at the poll, and check it out.

Just thought we should get an ES consensus the day before the draft.

Edit- I forgot to mention that in the poll, the balance DE would have less pass rush skills than the pass rush specialist[/quote']

Just not Jordy Nelson he only catches 1 touchdown for every 10 passes.

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Just not Jordy Nelson he only catches 1 touchdown for every 10 passes.

Right. As compared to Limas Sweed, who would get nearly 3 TDs per 10 receptions (26% of his receptions went for points).

Or perhaps James Hardy, who'd get double the number of Touchdowns as Nelson, based on their averages.

But lo and behold, none of them would get the number of receptions as Nelson, and I'm okay with that.

I'm not sure if you'll agree with me, but based on our WR corp, I'll take Points over receptions.

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]']Yeah' date=' if we had to draft a pass rusher in this draft, I'd rather have a 6 sack guy from in the interior (who also gets a ton of pressure) than a 10 sack guy on the edge. Pressure up the middle is far more valuable then pressure off the edge.[/quote']

Agreed. However the problem is that there's only two of those guys this year and we're not going to be in a position to get our mitts on either one of them. Outside of Ellis and Dorsey, the kid out of ND is the only other tackle I'd even consider at or above our 3rd rounder. Balmer :no: he's crap.

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]']Right. As compared to Limas Sweed' date=' who would get nearly 3 TDs per 10 receptions (26% of his receptions went for points).

Or perhaps James Hardy, who'd get double the number of Touchdowns as Nelson, based on their averages.

But lo and behold, none of them would get the number of receptions as Nelson, and I'm okay with that.

I'm not sure if you'll agree with me, but based on our WR corp, I'll take Points over receptions.[/quote']

You make a good point about Nelson's lack of scoring. However, did you take into account the fact that Nelson was about the only receiving threat on that team and hence would have been more often double and triple covered thus decreasing his chances of getting away for TDs? That's the only plausible explanation for his lack of production in this one area. After all, looking at tape of him he's not slow on the field and his 40 time was adequate. Also, he's got good quickness, runs hard after the catch and good elusiveness.

I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on possible explanations though.

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You make a good point about Nelson's lack of scoring. However, did you take into account the fact that Nelson was about the only receiving threat on that team and hence would have been more often double and triple covered thus decreasing his chances of getting away for TDs? That's the only plausible explanation for his lack of production in this one area. After all, looking at tape of him he's not slow on the field and his 40 time was adequate. Also, he's got good quickness, runs hard after the catch and good elusiveness.

I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on possible explanations though.

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't K-State also more of a running team?

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]']Yeah' date=' if we had to draft a pass rusher in this draft, I'd rather have a 6 sack guy from in the interior (who also gets a ton of pressure) than a 10 sack guy on the edge. Pressure up the middle is far more valuable then pressure off the edge.[/quote']

a penatrating DT makes the DE's better due to not allowing the QB to step up. If we had more of that last year, our DE's/LB's would have had several more sacks.

....but'd I'd like to see us draft both DE and DT.

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Any "depth" we get on the OL is going to be playing before the season is over. Our "depth" last year started playing before the first quarter was up. It's hard to predict something that bad this year, but expect it to happen sometime this year. Older linemen begin to get injured when you need them the most - late season and playoffs.

Our "depth" at Center is gone with injury. Our "depth" started last year at LG. Our RG and RT haven't been healthy for an entire season in 3 years. Chris Samuels missed the entire pre-season. Our rave depth in Heyer needed help from our number one receiver AND a running back in the Seattle game. We need to draft starters on the OL and make the "aging veterans" the depth becuae our current "depth" ain't cutting it. Heaven help us if Samuels gets hurt again for a longer timeframe.

But we're drafting WR and CB. Who cares what I want or what the Redskins need?

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Great post Wildbill. I agree. This year's OT class is deep and we have a need at RT (among other places). There will most certainly be at least one left when we pick at #21. I hope we have the good sense to take him.

I am onboard also

I think we need at least one starter and one filler at O-Line (considering the last 2 outta 3 years)

If one of the top 4 OT is there...THATS who we take

I would also consider a BPA pick with one of the 3rd rounders

O-Line Star is what I want

DE is next

WIN the battle of the trenches!!!...thats how the Giants won the SB

I would add......if we had more "Depth" at O-Line....we win in Seattle

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I don't understand this thread, why would anyone argue for quantity over quality? If presented with the choice between drafting a player who will be a star and a player who will be just a good backup, is anyone going to say "nah, we need some depth, let's get the career backup"?

Stop it! Rationality is not allowed in draft-related threads!!!!

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We need...

DE : preferably a pass rusher, but we need a youth movement here

DT: We have a couple of youngsters and adding another wouldn't hurt Griff can't play forever

OLB: McIntosh injury scares me and Washington is getting older too

You see a trend here with age?

WR: A big target is a need, but not in the first round, maybe 2nd or one of the 3rd's

OT/OG: We also need some depth on the O-line because age is a factor here as well, hopefully the compensatory pick we got from losing Dockery will be use to replace him

S: Landry is a stud and will be for a long time, we need someone else in the mix so that he doesn't feel the need to cover the whole field. Thus he can take more risks and make big plays.

I would also like for them to take a punter and a kicker in the 6th and 7th because we are far from solid at both of those positions

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