ChiefPowhatan17 Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 I wouldn't call being a player since 1976 then a coach till now, no experience. OK he didn't call the plays in Seattle, but he was right there involved with everything. He will be fine and do a great job for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold21 Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 Harbaugh is a moron he thinks baltimores starting QB is on their roster lol. Kinda bad when the only change a team that bad makes is they sign a guy on special teams. They definitely are more critical of Zorn then anybody else. The guy is real intelligent and he did a fantastic job in seattle. I think this move is going to be a great one because holmgren has produce some great coaches. I'dlike to see Troy Smith get a fair shake at being the guy to be honest with you. I think he has a good chance to become something in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emor09 Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 zorn was pretty much the oc in seattle. agreed, he made Matt Hasselebeck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erock353 Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 ALL head coaches were without experience at one point. I don't see all the hype. Pretty much, lets just hope he has a successful first campaign. Then they will be saying how they always thought he was a good coach, and they a knew one day he would be great. :helmet: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClintonINFORSIX26 Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 I'dlike to see Troy Smith get a fair shake at being the guy to be honest with you. I think he has a good chance to become something in the NFL. I wouldnt like any of them to get the chance because I hate the ravens. Troy Smith should have switched positions before coming into the nfl theres no way that guy is an inch over 5 foot 10...people in Baltimore think he can run but I hate to break it to Baltimore fans most QB's in the NFL can scramble just as well as he can. Hes not michael vick or vince young....and hes not Drew Brees....he will be a third stringer his whole career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebowski Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 Andy Ried and Mike Holmgren never had any coordinator experience either. Same coaching tree too. Not bad company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins4ever Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 Not giving Gregg Williams the coaching job was a bad move. But I'm willing to give Zorn a chance. If Andy Reid can go from a QB coach to a head coach, then that shows that it can be done. The thing that Zorn has going for him is that this Redskins team is a playoff caliber team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Redskin Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 http://www.sports-central.org/sports/2008/02/29/the_nfl_coaching_tree_2008_pt_2.php http://www.sports-central.org/sports/2008/02/22/the_nfl_coaching_tree_2008_pt_1.php many of Mike holmgrens assistants went on to Head Coaching gigs. some did well some didn't. Here is part of an article I found. Some interesting stuff there. Bill Walsh — Conventional wisdom places Walsh in the legendary Paul Brown Coaching Tree, since Walsh was an assistant to Brown for eight seasons. But everything else, including Walsh's offensive philosophies and personal statements — he hated Brown and has publicly credited Davis as his biggest influence — indicates that this is where he belongs. he's talking about Al Davis Mike Holmgren — Holmgren's coaching tree has considerably diminished in stature recently, but this is still an important addition to the Bill Walsh branch of Gillman's coaching forest. The Mike Holmgren Coaching Tree Bill Walsh's Coaching Tree is legendary, but most of the people who worked directly for Walsh have retired by now. With the exception of a nod in Mike Shanahan's direction, Walsh's legacy effectively runs through Holmgren now. Mike Holmgren, SEA — It doesn't get much easier than this: Holmgren's roots are with Walsh. He was an offensive assistant for San Francisco from 1986-91, serving under Walsh and George Seifert, before bringing Walsh's "West Coast" Offense to Green Bay and then Seattle. Jon Gruden, TB — He spent three years as Holmgren's wide receiver coach before moving to Philadelphia as offensive coordinator for another Holmgren assistant, Ray Rhodes. Former Raiders coach Bill Callahan, if he were still around, would be on Gruden's branch. Dick Jauron, BUF — Aside from three years as Holmgren's defensive backs coach in Green Bay, he also worked for Holmgren disciple Steve Mariucci. I nearly listed Jauron under the Bill Parcells Tree, though, because of his four years as Tom Coughlin's defensive coordinator in Jacksonville. Both Coughlin and Jauron worked for Forrest Gregg in the late 1980s. Jim Zorn, WAS — Washington's new head coach spent the last seven seasons as Holmgren's quarterbacks coach. It's probably fair to say that Jack Patera, Zorn's first coach in the NFL, also deserves some credit. THE ANDY REID BRANCH Andy Reid, PHI — Worked with Holmgren at BYU in the 1980s and again at Green Bay through most of the 1990s before taking Holmgren's version of the West Coast Offense to Philadelphia. Brad Childress, MIN — Reid's offensive coordinator in Philadelphia, he was also part of the legendary Northern Arizona coaching staff that included Childress, Reid, Bill Callahan, and Marty Mornhinweg. He also has spent eight years at Wisconsin as an assistant for Badgers coach Barry Alvarez. John Harbaugh, BAL — It's more than a little counter-intuitive, but the most dynamic wing of the Walsh Tree seems to run through Andy Reid at this point. Harbaugh spent nine years as an assistant to Reid. He also has roots with the University of Cincinnati, under head coaches Tim Murphy and Rick Minter. Rising Star: Steve Spagnuolo — The sought-after defensive coordinator for the New York Giants, Spagnuolu spent eight years working for Reid with the Eagles. Fired or Retired — Former Eagles and Packers HC Ray Rhodes, 49ers and Lions HC Steve Mariucci, Packers HC Mike Sherman, and Lions HC Marty Mornhinweg were all Holmgren disciples. Mornhinweg is Reid's top offensive assistant in Philadelphia. Former Raiders HC Bill Callahan is also in this tree via Jon Gruden, for whom he worked in Philadelphia and Oakland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 zorn was pretty much the oc in seattle. Holmgren was pretty much the OC in Seattle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoVaSkins21 Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 either u have the pedigree to be a HC or you dont. We shall see. Zorn could be the next Gibbs or he could be the next joker As far as pedigree is concerned, Zorn has been around Holmgren for some time and we all know there have a number of head coaches that worked under him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaN-BeAsT21 Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 IMO it was a rash and risky decision made by our FO , although no big splashes on players , they took a huge risk with Zorn , whereas Gregg Williams should have been given that opportunity to continue from where we were last year. The chemistry would have still been there, and his leadership and aggressiveness and willing to win is exactly what we needed, and it was in our house....yet we missed out... Just my opinion, although we have yet to see Zorn's product,the players seem to be open to his style of coaching and what he brings from seattle is looking good so far... ~ HTTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibbsRedskin Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 I tried searching for something to add this too and couldnt really find anything appropriate. Mods if I overlooked something please merge.I keep hearing on NFL network and everywhere else that the Redskins are taking a big risk on Zorn because he's never been a HC or a Coordinator. Well I did a little looking around and guess what. Tony Sporano has never been one either, neither has Lane Kiffen or John Harbaugh (well he was as special team Coordinator, but that doesnt count). I got this information off of Wikipedia so I really dont know how reliable this is. I think Kiffen was an offensive coordinator at college, but so what Zorn. So I guess my point is how come these guys aren't getting the scrutiny that Zorn is? Im not saying its some kind of conspiracy, just curious as to why he is always singled out? Someone educate me! Hail! Thank you for posting this, AFskinsfan. There will be a 25% bonus in this week's paycheck. Sincerely, Daniel M. Snyder Your boss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gooseewo Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 Just my thought/inputs Gibbs I took over from Allen. Allen had the personnel for a playoff capable team. Gibbs came in and finalized that. Gibb's II took over a totally dysfunctional team and got it to play off caliber. So, in effect, Zorn takes a Skins team that is playoff capable just as Gibbs I did. Zorn is going go to do great things. Just b/c one has not been listed as a head coach etc.. doesn't mean they won't do great things. He's been involved in a team with one of the greatest coaches of all time. He's listened/watched etc...He's seen what works and what doesn't. I'm in the USAF, and I have learned as much from the bad commanders as I have from bad ones. Zorn I'm sure has done the same. I'm psyched about season!!! Bring it ON!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhouse Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 :redpunch: That's Z-man's response to all the haters! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheItalianStallion Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 Experience is overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSkins Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 Just my thought/inputsGibbs I took over from Allen. Allen had the personnel for a playoff capable team. Gibbs came in and finalized that. Gibb's II took over a totally dysfunctional team and got it to play off caliber. So, in effect, Zorn takes a Skins team that is playoff capable just as Gibbs I did. Zorn is going go to do great things. Just b/c one has not been listed as a head coach etc.. doesn't mean they won't do great things. He's been involved in a team with one of the greatest coaches of all time. He's listened/watched etc...He's seen what works and what doesn't. I'm in the USAF, and I have learned as much from the bad commanders as I have from bad ones. Zorn I'm sure has done the same. I'm psyched about season!!! Bring it ON!!!!!! Gibbs took over for Jack Pardee. Thanks for playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cphil006 Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 Art Shell was an O-line coach for only FOUR seasons before he was hired for his first stint as the Raiders HC. It happens. No big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweedr01 Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 I think Zorn will do fine. Why get somebody else's garbage? It does not bother me that he has limited experience. If a coach was so good he would be coaching not looking for a job. Zorn has a lot to prove, and i think that he is up to it. Maybe other future coaches will be compared to Zorn, instead of trying to find somebody to compare Zorn to. Exactly, I'd rather give a coach his first job, then his last job. EDIT: Unless that coaches name is Joe Gibbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red beans Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 zorn was pretty much the oc in seattle. Are you serious...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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