michael_33 Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 I can't help but think all 3 SB's having a 3 point victory between them all...Adam obviously won all 3 of those as well as the "Tuck rule" game against the Raiders and I'm sure many others... Then when you rewind to last night when they are on the 31 yard line with a 4th an 13,you would think your FG unit would come out? I heard the reason why they went for it instead was because of the shank out of bounds kickoff he did earlier... I don't want to say that not having Adam is completely directed of them failing to win the big one,but one has to wonder if had they kept him would some games have resulted differently..? ...and why in the world would you get rid of a guy, who is responsible for 3 SB victories directly?The guy is probably a sure HOFer along with juan stanerud! I never understood the decision to release Adam from a possible Dynasty and a dynasty KICKER in the making.... So I ask you....Do you think they screwed up on this one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitch75 Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 the pats screwed up because they were the only nfl team to take off the 21 off of their helmets during the playoffs. they were too damn proud. so i call it the curse of sean taylor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 I can't help but think all 3 SB's having a 3 point victory between them all...Adam obviously won all 3 of those as well as the "Tuck rule" game against the Raiders and I'm sure many others...Then when you rewind to last night when they are on the 31 yard line with a 4th an 13,you would think your FG unit would come out? I heard the reason why they went for it instead was because of the shank out of bounds kickoff he did earlier... I don't want to say that not having Adam is completely directed of them failing to win the big one,but one has to wonder if had they kept him would some games have resulted differently..? ...and why in the world would you get rid of a guy, who is responsible for 3 SB victories directly?The guy is probably a sure HOFer along with juan stanerud! I never understood the decision to release Adam from a possible Dynasty and a dynasty KICKER in the making.... So I ask you....Do you think they screwed up on this one? Great post...this play is being overlooked as a turning point. Since when is it better odds to go for 4th and 13 than to kick a 48-yard FG in a dome??? They had no confidence in their kicker and it cost them a chance to be up by a TD. They would have never trailed in the game as they went into OT... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUSkinsFan Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 I can't help but think all 3 SB's having a 3 point victory between them all...Adam obviously won all 3 of those as well as the "Tuck rule" game against the Raiders and I'm sure many others...Then when you rewind to last night when they are on the 31 yard line with a 4th an 13,you would think your FG unit would come out? I heard the reason why they went for it instead was because of the shank out of bounds kickoff he did earlier... I don't want to say that not having Adam is completely directed of them failing to win the big one,but one has to wonder if had they kept him would some games have resulted differently..? ...and why in the world would you get rid of a guy, who is responsible for 3 SB victories directly?The guy is probably a sure HOFer along with juan stanerud! I never understood the decision to release Adam from a possible Dynasty and a dynasty KICKER in the making.... So I ask you....Do you think they screwed up on this one? Not sure. But I have some friends that are Patriots fans and all they do is curse about Adam Vinatieri. They blame him for accepting a bigger contract to play for the Colts. They view it as the ultimate act of betrayal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWinzit Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 the pats screwed up because they were the only nfl team to take off the 21 off of their helmets during the playoffs. they were too damn proud. so i call it the curse of sean taylor.Yet the kept the number on their helmets in tribute to their fallen teammate.I'm sure if Vinateri was still with the Pats they would have kicked the field instead of going for a 4th and 13.:2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAILBOMB9 Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 I just love these "hindsight" threads...NOT!! It is what it is and it's as simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebornempowered Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Not sure. But I have some friends that are Patriots fans and all they do is curse about Adam Vinatieri. They blame him for accepting a bigger contract to play for the Colts. They view it as the ultimate act of betrayal. :laugh: Of course they do. Vinatieri Rings = 4 Pats Rings without Vinatieri = 0 Even a dufus like me can do that math. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWinzit Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Even a dufus like me can do that math.Aww, don't be so hard on yourself, dufus. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkeyBoy Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Vinatieri didn't make a kick over 40 yards last year and had one of his worst seasons. And he kicks in a dome. The guy coulda made the kick. I guess when you go for touchdown after touchdown all year suddenly you forget what it means to take the points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddub52 Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 yup. They figured they were so good that they didnt need a kicker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Stats since 2006 9regular and postseason), when Adam went to Indy: 20-29 yds AV 22-23; SG 23-24 30-39 yds AV 22-26; SG 18-23 40-49 yds AV 14-17; SG 7-11 50+ yds AV 2-4; SG 2-2 And remember that chippie that Vinatieri shanked at the end of the San Diego regular season game this year? I don't understand Belicheck's thinking. Sure, there's no excuse for kicking the ball out of bounds like that, but was he THAT pissed that he had no confidence in his kicker from 49? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyGator Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Um, the Pats have only won three SB's with Adam V., not 4. If he misses two last-second field goals of an average distance of about 45 yards in the SB, Brady is probably not considered the greatest QB ever by the simpletons in the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDSKINZ-RIDEORDIE Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 I can't help but think all 3 SB's having a 3 point victory between them all...Adam obviously won all 3 of those as well as the "Tuck rule" game against the Raiders and I'm sure many others...Then when you rewind to last night when they are on the 31 yard line with a 4th an 13,you would think your FG unit would come out? I heard the reason why they went for it instead was because of the shank out of bounds kickoff he did earlier... I don't want to say that not having Adam is completely directed of them failing to win the big one,but one has to wonder if had they kept him would some games have resulted differently..? ...and why in the world would you get rid of a guy, who is responsible for 3 SB victories directly?The guy is probably a sure HOFer along with juan stanerud! I never understood the decision to release Adam from a possible Dynasty and a dynasty KICKER in the making.... So I ask you....Do you think they screwed up on this one? I agree, good post. I wonder why they let him go? Was he a bad locker room guy? Cause he played excellent for the them. He won the Patriots a lot of games, he made damner every crunchtime kick he attempted. He's a future HOF. I don't why they didnt keep him. I'm sure the best front office in the league had enough money to pay him whatever he wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aston Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 :laugh: Of course they do. Vinatieri Rings = 4 Pats Rings without Vinatieri = 0 Even a dufus like me can do that math. Actually it's 3, but we'll overlook that minor arithmetic error since you're a dufus and all. The real issue is that you're implying they're worse off without him based on the lack of trophies alone. By that rationale, you think they'd be better of re-acquiring Vinatierri, and also dumping Moss, Welker, Thomas, and Stallworth? No? Why not? I think the truth is, they have a cap they manage just like we do. They put a premium on certain positions more than others and figured they'd be cool with downgrading their kicker for something better in return. Like, say, I don't know, the greatest offense in the history of fooball, for example. Vinatierri won them a lot of BIG games, no doubt about that. But this season, besides the 4th and 13 in the Super Bowl, how many times have they needed a kicker to win a game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDSKINZ-RIDEORDIE Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Wow, Art needs to quote your sig. next time he is on Redskin Radio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebornempowered Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Actually it's 3 3 what? Vinatieri has 4 Super Bowl rings does he not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUSkinsFan Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 3 what?Vinatieri has 4 Super Bowl rings does he not? He does, but only 3 with the Patriots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aston Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 3 what?Vinatieri has 4 Super Bowl rings does he not? Thought you were comparing Patriots rings before/after Vinatierri left.Yes, Vinatierri himself has 4 rings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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