God Help Me, I'm in Texas Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Here's a quote from DeMarcus Ware, talking about his big sack/fumble in the 2nd half: "I timed it a little bit," Ware said. "But I'm not going to tell you what I was keying on. It helped out...that's what you need." I had a hunch that what he was talking about is Campbell's tendency to "lean out" prior to the ball being snapped, especially, and almost always, before a pass. I took this hunch and looked at the tape; here's what I calculated based on a subjective view of what I thought was a pre-snap "lean-out" Passing plays, 28 attempts total, with a lean 17 times 8-17 103yds, 1 TD 47% comp. 86.1 QB rating 2 sacks total, without a lean 11 times 7-11 76yds, 1 TD 64% comp. 114.2 QB rating 0 sacks As you can see, Campbell leaned-out while under center 17 out of 28 times, or 61% of the time. Not surprisingly, both of Dallas' two sacks came when Campbell leaned out pre-snap, including Ware's sack/fumble, the one in which he says there was something he was "keying on". And even when Dallas didn't sack Campbell following a lean-out, the pressure still increased, which contributed to his completion percentage dropping from 64% to 47%. From there, I decided to look at shotgun as well. He was in it 26 times, and his numbers weren't bad... Total, in shotgun formation 26 times 19-26 169 yds 1 Int. 73% comp. 74.0 QB rating 0 sacks NOTE: without the interception, his QB rating is 90% ...but something else happened 26 times: he jerked up his knee prior to the ball being snapped, happening always a second prior. Granted, he completed 73% of his passes here; but he was constantly under pressure. Thankfully, we were bailed out by a poor Dallas secondary who generally left the first read open. Back to Ware's comments, if you watch the tape you'll see Campbell's worst, and most exaggerated, "lean-out" of the game happen on that sack/fumble play. It seems likely that this was the "key" that Ware's talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin11 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 wow, not a bad research. I wish I had TIVO...damnit This isnt the first time somebody got a good jump. It has to be more than that, though. The pats were jumping our line like crazy, also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGI Jef Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 very interesting post - good job and good stats tgijef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonnyRules Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 You make a very interesting point. I knew Ware was keying on something. Perhaps you've put your finger on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketCitySkins Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Thanks for the great research. I always had a feeling that JC should be operating more from the shot-gun position simply because that was what he used most of the time during college. But I didn't have those stats to back-up what I thought. Side-note - Demarcus Ware and Marcus Washington went to the same high school in Al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Help Me, I'm in Texas Posted November 21, 2007 Author Share Posted November 21, 2007 "I wish I had TIVO...damnit" ...yeah, it's a blessing and really helpful in the off-season when you need a fix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnFoRcEr_uPu Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Man, that might not be a bad thing to use to his advantage. If they can coach him out of that, he can then use it to draw guys offsides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#98QBKiller Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Gibbs was also saying in his presser that the reason Jason missed that pass to Santana in the end zone by a few inches was because one of the defenders (Ware maybe?) brushed across his back and it disrupted the timing of his throw. Gibbs basically said that otherwise that was a TD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Help Me, I'm in Texas Posted November 21, 2007 Author Share Posted November 21, 2007 Man, that might not be a bad thing to use to his advantage. If they can coach him out of that, he can then use it to draw guys offsides. absolutely...especially next time at FedEx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Fakeman Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 This is an excellent post. Just to chime in, though, I did hear S. Jurgensen say that he hasn't been able to pick up on anything that JC is doing...that would merit some sort of "tip-off" for opposing defensive linemen... But then again....Mr. Jurgensen...is old...and drinks profusely... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhyno Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Ware may have been a little too keyed on that play. I swear he was in the neutral zone before the ball started moving.. C'est la vie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigantor Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Great post. You can count on it not happening again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Bram said on the broadcast during the game the line man were telling Buges that the DL were jumping JC's snap count... they had something tipping them off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raub Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Ware may have been a little too keyed on that play. I swear he was in the neutral zone before the ball started moving.. C'est la vie. He did that on more than a few occasions in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thirtyfive2seven Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 it's threads like this that keep me coming back Good research, great post. Didn't someone mention this about Campbell in the Pre-season as well. If I weren't such a lazy **** I'd find the thread. They didn't know what it was that allowed the defensive linemen to get a good jump on the snap but I think you may have nailed it. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moviedude25 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Top notch A+ research. Please do all of Redskins nation a favor and send this to Gibbs. PLEASE!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drums and skins Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Are we sure it is even Campbell? I know if I were Gibbs, I'd have someone looking at all the snaps that Ware or someone else got off the ball really well and look at every single person on the play. Whether its the o-line, tight end, fullback or running back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFan_in_TX Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 but something else happened 26 times: he jerked up his knee prior to the ball being snapped. Everytime. And not only that, but the time between his knee-jerk and the ball getting snapped never changed. It always happened about a second prior. This is the signal for the center to snap the ball. Every team does it. It is designed for loud stadiums when the line can not hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swisha Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Man, that might not be a bad thing to use to his advantage. If they can coach him out of that, he can then use it to draw guys offsides. Yeah? You give the defense the advantage hundreds of times only to use it to your advantage, what, a few times? That's not too smart. Great reasearch by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabyFacedAssassin Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Me and my friend first noticed this in Giants game and in other games,DEs jumping the snap.Take a look at the other games this season if you can. Hes gotta be doing something thats tipping them off cause it happens alot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Good research. I read the same quote Monday morning and wondered what his "secret" was as well. Whatever he figured out, I hope he keeps it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tastes Like Chicken Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Maybe it sometimes has to do with 1 second being left on the play clock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Help Me, I'm in Texas Posted November 21, 2007 Author Share Posted November 21, 2007 Top notch A+ research. Please do all of Redskins nation a favor and send this to Gibbs. PLEASE!! Well, I'll send it to Bram, maybe he'll ask Gibbs. I know they're pretty close. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergasun Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 This is nothing new. He has done this before... maybe not last season but I'm pretty sure I've seen it a few times this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enter Apotheosis Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 ...but something else happened 26 times: he jerked up his knee prior to the ball being snapped. Everytime. And not only that, but the time between his knee-jerk and the ball getting snapped never changed. It always happened about a second prior. Good research on the lean, but you actually see a lot of QBs do the "knee-jerk" out of the shotgun. Peyton Manning in particular does that a lot and I believe its part of their silent count but I can't verify that 100%. Either way, I'm confident that there's a reason for the knee movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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