Cruising270 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 I've read post after post of people saying gibbs is holding us back from winning games but I cannot see all blame going to him. Midway through 04 people thought Gibbs system was a bust in today's NFL. The hitch passes were getting us negative yards, the infamous counter trey wasn't effective against the speedy NFL defenses of today, CP wasn't the right back for Gibbs power running game, etc etc etc. Then suddenly in the midway point of our 05 season we started putting up points. It wasn't that the play calling changed midway through the season or even from the 2004 season, it was that our players were executing the plays. Those same hitch passes from 04 that were losses now in 05 Moss was getting 20+ yards. The counter trey was working just like it did in the 80's. Also our power running game was working with our O-line dominating the line of scrimmage and Clinton Portis hitting the holes fast and hard. What was the difference? It was execution of the plays. Not only was our offense playing with heart and intensity, but they were all mastering their individual roles in whatever play was called. WR's were making the right blocks on hitch passes, members of the o-line were sometimes all the way up field blocking linebackers or safeties during the counter trey. Play calling did not change, just the execution of the plays, wouldn't you agree? Look up the stats for our final 8 games of the 05 season, we scored 25.88 avg points per game. KC Chief's last 8 of 2005 under the famed Al Saunder's offense scored an identical 25.88 points per game. Plain and simple, our players need to execute, and that goes for offense and defense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanboyOf91 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Word. Gibbs can't pound it in for them.:applause::applause::applause: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGreenistheBest Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 This is refreshing. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 You know Joe Gibbs changed the passing offense from 2004 to 2005 right? It was mentioned plenty of times by Gibbs and Bugel during the 2004 offseason that the team knew it had to open up the offense and be more vertical and challenge defenses. Sound familiar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPortJGibbs89 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 I agree that we did lack a little execution on a few plays, the reverse to Moss would have gone for a big gain but it looked like Randle El just gave up blocking his guy. I never really bought into the idea of to many chefs in the kitchen because I think alot of teams make it work but for some reason this team cant. Saunders and Gibbs are still not on the same page after two years. If we dont show improvement against the Lions I think its time Gibbs tells Saunders to take a hike and do what he wants to do because they obviousuly dont work well together... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGJOE44 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Agreed! It was only one half but you are correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPortJGibbs89 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Agreed! It was only one half but you are correct.What does the Ferrari have to do with your post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark The Homer Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 I blame the crowd noise. Gibbs already said it was an issue. And the left side was slow off the ball. Getting off slow will dramatically affect execution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGJOE44 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 What does the Ferrari have to do with your post? I clicked on wrong attachment is this a problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPortJGibbs89 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 I clicked on wrong attachment is this a problem?Yes it is, and I was just wondering thats all Joef. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedlightG20 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Our receiving core of 2004 was much different than 2005. 2004 was Brunell's first year where he was god awful and eventually was replaced with Ramsey. 2005 we started the season with Ramsey who was yanked in the first game in favor of going back to Brunell. You blame the execution, but how can we execute on offense with a QB carousel and changing receivers? The playcalling changes to the strengths of its players. We had constant interchanging of the players and didn't play to their strengths (lousy playcalling), and the execution suffered as a result, as did our roster continuity. Things are better now, but don't talk about the execution from 2004 and 2005 if we had major differences in talent at key positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schizlor Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 That's the ugliest Ferrari I've ever seen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGJOE44 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Yes it is, and I was just wondering thats all Joef.Ok then whats the problem?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinzOwnU Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 We would have won the giants game if different plays were called throughout most of the 2nd half - so - I don't think we can blame execution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGJOE44 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 That's the ugliest Ferrari I've ever seen hmmmmmm. I think we should just stick to the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seb Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Simple, you don't try to run the ball on one of the worst pass defenses in the league, that has given up 80 + points in the two previous games.This is 2007 not 1982. You will not win enough games in today's NFL scoring points in the teens and low 20's. Throw the ball to open up the run!! stop calling plays to try not to lose the game!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPortJGibbs89 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Ok then whats the problem??Nothing man just messing with you, I thought maybe the ferrari was one of the players or something just wondering so I asked. Its cool man just having some fun thats all!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGJOE44 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Ok, just grumpy from the loss still, sorry, Its not a players car its mine but I ment to post a picture of the pics I took at the game. No biggy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schizlor Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 hmmmmmm. I think we should just stick to the post. hey, you posted the irrelevant pic not me.... But I agree, lets stay on point. I think the playcalling cost us the Giants game. If they had been in Campbells ear on 1st down just shouting "GO! Just get it in!" I think he would have found a way to score. He, contrary to what many people on this board assert, DID NOT make the decision to spike the ball on 1st down. Gibbs did, cause he wanted his "Jumbo Package" in at the goal line. Personally, I'll take an extra down at zero hour when it is all or nothing over having your preferred package in to up your chances of scoring. Who cares if it ups your chances of scoring a bit? You know what really ups your chances of scoring?............An extra chance to score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMike619 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 personally, i blame Canada. And now I blame Ferraris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPortJGibbs89 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Ok, just grumpy from the loss still, sorry, Its not a players car its mine but I ment to post a picture of the pics I took at the game. No biggy.No its cool man I am pretty pissed as well but I am just trying to forget about it. Damn thats your Ferrari thats pretty awesome man. I dream of owning one someday or at least take one for a drive. Anyways sorry about the mix up man lets hope they redeem themselves againts the Lions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruising270 Posted September 27, 2007 Author Share Posted September 27, 2007 You know Joe Gibbs changed the passing offense from 2004 to 2005 right? It was mentioned plenty of times by Gibbs and Bugel during the 2004 offseason that the team knew it had to open up the offense and be more vertical and challenge defenses.Sound familiar? Gibbs has said that every season, but they didn't change or revamp the offense in 2005. A majority of our offensive production in 05 was from the same plays critics and fans were mocking Gibbs them in 2004. I'm not arguing we didn't have the occasional deep pass in 2005 but it wasn't what turned our offense from scoring less than 10 points a game to averaging over 25 in the 2nd half of the season. It was the plays being properly executed along with our players playing with more intensity than the opposing team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGJOE44 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 hey, you posted the irrelevant pic not me....But I agree, lets stay on point. I think the playcalling cost us the Giants game. If they had been in Campbells ear on 1st down just shouting "GO! Just get it in!" I think he would have found a way to score. He, contrary to what many people on this board assert, DID NOT make the decision to spike the ball on 1st down. Gibbs did, cause he wanted his "Jumbo Package" in at the goal line. Personally, I'll take an extra down at zero hour when it is all or nothing over having your preferred package in to up your chances of scoring. Who cares if it ups your chances of scoring a bit? You know what really ups your chances of scoring?............An extra chance to score I will just leave it alone..... I think we all can agree it was the play calling and execution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 but it wasn't what turned our offense from scoring less than 10 points a game to averaging over 25 in the 2nd half of the season. It was the plays being properly executed along with our players playing with more intensity than the opposing team. I'm sure playing the Rams, Cards, Cowboys (with about 7 starters missing) and Giants (same) both at home helped. And don't forget about defensive touchdowns.... like Antonio Brown's kickoff return for a TD against the Cards.... or Taylor's fumble recovery for a touchdown against the Eagles. Or do you want to count those points as "offensive" points earned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruising270 Posted September 27, 2007 Author Share Posted September 27, 2007 Our receiving core of 2004 was much different than 2005. 2004 was Brunell's first year where he was god awful and eventually was replaced with Ramsey. 2005 we started the season with Ramsey who was yanked in the first game in favor of going back to Brunell.You blame the execution, but how can we execute on offense with a QB carousel and changing receivers? The playcalling changes to the strengths of its players. We had constant interchanging of the players and didn't play to their strengths (lousy playcalling), and the execution suffered as a result, as did our roster continuity. Things are better now, but don't talk about the execution from 2004 and 2005 if we had major differences in talent at key positions. Well if Brunell was QB for the majority of both seasons I think it's even more of a reason it's fair to compare 04 and 05 seasons. Granted we did have Moss in 05 not Coles, but what I am talking about in terms of the hitch being executed properly was not to do with the receiver catching the ball but the other players who make the key blocks for him. <img src="http://addy.com/coachfree/Resources/image142.gif"/> As far as the running game goes we didn't any key off season additions to the line or RB position that could attribute to its success in 2005 vs 2004. Hell we had one of the oldest guys in the league starting because of an injury on our o-line. If it's simply talent at key positions lets go back to the free agency days and scoop up the best money can buy. I'm a firm believer in its all about effort and execution! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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