taylorcoreskin Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 so you'd settle for 2 sacks from the starting d-linemen, if they "met responsibilites?" if we had a 3-4 system why not? that might make way for someone like a potential merriman to put up 16 sacks because he's going unblocked as the DEs and NT all weigh 300 plus. edit: as long as the lineman are doing what the coaches tell them to do I could care less about the amount of sacks they get. In a 3-4, no defensive coach is instructing his lineman to rush the passer lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttr77 Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 I can't believe there is a serious discussion on here about who's d-line was better last year. When I last checked, Dallas was in the playoffs and the Skins weren't. Is the amount of sacks what matters here? Or is it the amount of wins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 Ok, um, who? Kolb??But here's what I want to know - why does the Dallas D-line get a free pass? Skins D-linemen: Carter - 56 total tackles (47 solo, 9 asst) 6 sacks Griff - 50 total tackles (39 solo, 11 asst) 1 sack Golston - 44 total tackles (33 solo, 11 asst) .5 sacks Daniels - 37 total tackles (24 solo, 13 asst) 3 sacks Dallas D-line: Spears - 45 total (29 solo, 16 asst) 1 sack Ferguson - 46 total (32 solo, 14 asst) 0 sacks Canty - 33 total (24 solo, 9 asst) 1 sack Is it just me or does the Redskin D-line trounce the Cowboys? They are almost comparable. The Dallass defense relies on the LB to get alot of sacks/tackles, like the Lawence Taylor/Harry Carson days and we rely on our blitzes from LB's and DB's to get alot of sacks/tackles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 if we had a 3-4 system why not? that might make way for someone like a potential merriman to put up 16 sacks because he's going unblocked as the DEs and NT all weigh 300 plus. Ask how many Dallas fans are satisfied with their d-line play... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylorcoreskin Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 Ask how many Dallas fans are satisfied with their d-line play... haha ask how many skins fans are satisfied with their d-line play! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylorcoreskin Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 I can't believe there is a serious discussion on here about who's d-line was better last year. When I last checked, Dallas was in the playoffs and the Skins weren't. Is the amount of sacks what matters here? Or is it the amount of wins? according to riggo 44 only sacks and tackles are relevant :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 haha ask how many skins fans are satisfied with their d-line play! You mean other than Gibbs - who may or may not know what he is talking about. And many on here? according to riggo 44 only sacks and tackles are relevant :laugh: Cool - talk about selective reading :doh: Why not actually pay attention to the game instead of believing ESPN, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 Only 2 teams come to mind where the DE in a 3-4 defense had a profound impact on sacks and tackles. The 80's Giants with Jim Burt at NG and Leonard Marshall at DE and the Bills of the 90's with Phil Hansen and Bruce Smith getting alot of tackles and sacks. Most of the time, the 3-4 relies on alot of pressure from an OLB. Damn, I wish we could get back the Mann/Manley combination. They were money not only agianst the pass, but very solid against the run. Manley sometims overpersued on the run, but Monte Coleman/Milot and Olkewicz were always there with a solid tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylorcoreskin Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 You mean other than Gibbs - who may or may not know what he is talking about. And many on here?Cool - talk about selective reading :doh: Why not actually pay attention to the game instead of believing ESPN, huh? you truly know how to break the spirit of a man :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsManNJ Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 Yea and hes calling us a sleeper team... wtf I think he was partially sleeping when he wrote that. Because it doesnt make any sense. A sleeper pick to me means the unexpected shock and awe everyone and make the playoffs or even better win the division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggins77 Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 Take a look at NE's D-line, SD's D-line. And you're defeding the Cowboys D-line?? What's the matter with you?I am not debating the run defense - but what I saw was LBs not making plays for the redskins - not the d-line. And 2 sacks - total - from their starting defensive line. That sucks, plain and simple. Football 101: Why do you think our LBs were not making plays? The fact that the line was busted allowed the runners to get to the second layer in the defense, then the LBs were not making the plays. So, because of the line, the runner got through alot. I haven't looked at the stat yet for their linebackers, but it was probably better than ours. The line in a 3-4 only has three linemen......big linemen, that stop the run and take on more O-linemen so their linebackers can blitz. The fact that the linemen in a 3-4 have less sacks than the linemen in a 4-3 is very understandable. We have two interior linemen to stuff the run and two ends coming off the corners........they have one lineman and two ends. Do the math. I hate the Cowboys, but their scheme worked for them last year for the most part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggins77 Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 ok I'm done with this innane arguement...my point is our LBs let us down, not the DL. Our DL performed better than Dallas' if you ask me. You're kidding right? I am sure you are super smart and post your guts out, you surely have to understand the basic concept of stats associated with a 3-4 vs. a 4-3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggins77 Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 OH my what a starteling revelation - there's different repsonsbilities for a 3-4 and 4-3 d-linemen? Wow, thanks for the deep insight! Wow, you're a wealth of knowledge!Read Elkbong's post. Watch the tape. Come back when you have a clue. Wow, you're acting like a tool. Why all the hostility for people explaining the difference in two different systems. Every response to any explaination given to you gets a "our D-line got more sacks reply". That makes it sound like you don't understand football. Why don't you come back when you have a clue. :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylorcoreskin Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 You're kidding right? I am sure you are super smart and post your guts out, you surely have to understand the basic concept of stats associated with a 3-4 vs. a 4-3 arguing with him is futile riggins 77. he understands two things: sacks and tackles. anything else is beyond comprehension. he doesn't understand the different tasks involved in a 4-3 or 3-4 system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggins77 Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 arguing with him is futile riggins 77. he understands two things: sacks and tackles. anything else is beyond comprehension. he doesn't understand the different tasks involved in a 4-3 or 3-4 system. I am seeing that now. I probably should have read the entire thread and saved it for one post instead of posting three responses :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylorcoreskin Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 Wow, you're acting like a tool. Why all the hostility for people explaining the difference in two different systems. Every response to any explaination given to you gets a "our D-line got more sacks reply". That makes it sound like you don't understand football. Why don't you come back when you have a clue. :2cents: again he thinks that a dline's soul responsibility is to produce sacks and tackles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylorcoreskin Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 I am seeing that now. I probably should have read the entire thread and saved it for one post instead of posting three responses :laugh: it's cool. I'm glad someone with football knowledge was able to contribute to the debate:applause: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggins77 Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 So taylorcoreskin, did you get the "Joey Bag of Doughnuts" yet from Moe's? That's the real question of the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylorcoreskin Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 So taylorcoreskin, did you get the "Joey Bag of Doughnuts" yet from Moe's? That's the real question of the day. lol I don't know what the joey bag is. I've only had the homewrecker burrito but it was awesome. Moe's is my favorite restaurant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggins77 Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 lol I don't know what the joey bag is. I've only had the homewrecker burrito but it was awesome. Moe's is my favorite restaurant. I love that place too, I ate there yesterday and today. Here is the difference in the Homewrecker and the Joey Bag of Doughnuts........the Homewrecker is like the the 4-3 defense because it offers more stuff than the joey does (rice, beans, choice of protein, shredded cheese, salsa, guacamole, sour cream, and lettuce). The Joey Bag of Doughnuts is the 3-4 defense because it offers a little less (rice, beans, choice of protein, shredded cheese, and salsa), but is hefty, with room for a little more rice and beans on the ends...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylorcoreskin Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 I love that place too, I ate there yesterday and today. Here is the difference in the Homewrecker and the Joey Bag of Doughnuts........the Homewrecker is like the the 4-3 defense because it offers more stuff than the joey does (rice, beans, choice of protein, shredded cheese, salsa, guacamole, sour cream, and lettuce). The Joey Bag of Doughnuts is the 3-4 defense because it offers a little less (rice, beans, choice of protein, shredded cheese, and salsa), but is hefty, with room for a little more rice and beans on the ends...... lol thanks for breaking it down for me in terms I can understand :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggins77 Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 lol thanks for breaking it down for me in terms I can understand :laugh: maybe the guy will understand if we relate the defenses to burritos.......if not, we tried Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamyesme1111 Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 how can we be satifised at 8 or 9 win at BEST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsfan_70 Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 the Eagles no. 11? WTF? based on what? since the top of the list is AFC top-heavy (as it should be), that makes the Eagles the 4th best team in the NFC... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySkin21 Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 I can't believe there is a serious discussion on here about who's d-line was better last year. When I last checked, Dallas was in the playoffs and the Skins weren't. Is the amount of sacks what matters here? Or is it the amount of wins? W's is what mattersto me. i don'tcare if we win by 1point and are ranked low as long as we Win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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