Lavarleap56 Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 So i was talkin to a former Cb yesterday and the topic came up on Dale Lindsay and Steve Jackson and some good info I guess came out of it. Dale Lindsay was second guessed by almost every defensive player on the skins for allowing Holdman to continue to start and leave Rocky on the bench. Rocky was ready to get full time reps by around game 4 but never really got the oppurtunity for whatever reason. Williams allows and trust his positional coaches to basically set the starting group for there positions and Lindsay greatly failed in that regard. Now what i think is the hot topic of sorts Sean Taylor and our secondary. How in one year can Taylor go from a covering machine and playmaker in his first two years and the next look so out of place in coverage?? The answer is Steve Jackson and as it was told to me he "thought he invented the wheel on defense this season" hmmmm i know know who one of the espn leaks was. Steve Jackson basically changed the techniques the Dwayne Walker had going with the secondary his previous two years. Walker allowed Taylor and the secondary read the offensive line as there tip for what was coming, BASICALLY IT IS VERY EASY!! when the ball is snapped if the line fires out low get into run support and if the line pops there head up and opens up there stance get back in coverage. To me that seems to allow very little thinking and alot more instict and reaction to come from players. Jerry Gray and the corners were still reading the line as with Walker.Sean is very aggressive so normally whatever his first read is hes going for it 100 mph so the Walker style was great for him all he had to do was read the line play make a decision and go. Safeties coming up, corners passing recievers into the safeties zones thinking they had help it was all a mess and we sall the result. Steve Jackson this year had the secondary read the qb and follow the ball.Sean and the safeties with Jackson had to come up hard to the line to defned the run cause they were following the qb and the ball only to get torched by play action all year. Safeties coming up to support the run and follow the ball, corners passing recievers into the safeties zones thinking they had help it was all a mess and we sall the result. The above all makes sense to me after the Espn article the stories the quotes about the coaches taking seans agressivnessfrom him , etc. So in short why the hell is Steve Jackson still here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
authentic Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 One question, was this a former Redskins CB that provided this info? And as far as S. Jackson, he probably begged for his job, promising to right the ship who knows. But i'm with you, if Lindsay got the ax then Jackson should have been side by side with Lindsay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul55 Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Makes a lot of sense. Can our HEAD coaches fix this? Can they not see the problem? This post reminds me of how horrible our secondary was last season. This Walker guy had some smarts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siven Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 if it's true it makes sense, steve jackson should be fired. HIRE DARRELL GREEN AS THE SECONDARY COACH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lavarleap56 Posted February 19, 2007 Author Share Posted February 19, 2007 Well its not hard to figure out but what CB did we release this year that possibly was bitter about the oppurtunity he got in washington and had a reason to directly refrence UM players? one hint hes not Taylor Jacobs....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMOSS89 Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Walt Harris? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurd Cudins Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 It's Mike Rumph. He did terribly this year though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremiah_Johnson Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 I'm not buying it. From high school on they teach you to read the O line and react accordingly. If they "push out", its a run. If they stand up and don't attack, its a pass. I find it hard to believe that Steve Jackson can simply tell ST......."read the ball instead", and everything goes haywire. Secondary comes down to one thing and one thing only. Pressure up front. I don't care if you have 4 Deions in his prime back there, give a qb enough time and he will win. Get pressure up front period, and everyone else immedietly looks 1000 times better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
posse87 Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Mike Rumph????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lavarleap56 Posted February 19, 2007 Author Share Posted February 19, 2007 if it's true it makes sense, steve jackson should be fired. HIRE DARRELL GREEN AS THE SECONDARY COACH it is 100% true i dont post made up Bs. I am at the mercy at what players say so technically it is second hand info. This is the same guy that tried to say that Sean Springs was the mole but after talking to him yesterday it was odvious it was him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lavarleap56 Posted February 19, 2007 Author Share Posted February 19, 2007 Mike Rumph????? great possibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChampSkinsFanatic Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 get that guy the hell out of here man, Steve Jackson sucks balls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskeypeet Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Definitely sounds like a reasonable explanation for the secondary's struggles. However, Rumph wasn't with the redskins when Walker was coaching. Was he just basing all of this on what others told him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMOSS89 Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 The thing is, you had to figure Lindsay would have to go, and he did. But really the glaring thing from this year was the secondary. Did Williams approach Jackson after the year and say "change your ways. let them play". You would HAVE to imagine some sort of exchange similar to this had to happen for him to still be here. I mean, the coaching staff disected every play from every game this year and it should be as clear as day what the problem was. Hopefully they gave Jackson a talkin to and will hopefully revert back to Walker's ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 I find it hard to believe that Steve Jackson can simply tell ST......."read the ball instead", and everything goes haywire. Remember how bad Kim Helton screwed up Samuels & Jansen? Same thing. Bad coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lavarleap56 Posted February 19, 2007 Author Share Posted February 19, 2007 I'm not buying it. From high school on they teach you to read the O line and react accordingly. If they "push out", its a run. If they stand up and don't attack, its a pass. I find it hard to believe that Steve Jackson can simply tell ST......."read the ball instead", and everything goes haywire. Secondary comes down to one thing and one thing only. Pressure up front. I don't care if you have 4 Deions in his prime back there, give a qb enough time and he will win. Get pressure up front period, and everyone else immedietly looks 1000 times better. I buy it all to well actually. According to the player we played alot of cover 4 this year and this is the predominant coverage we were exposed on the deeep posts with. Do you remember how many times we were getting burnt on play action while we were in a zone defense??? When Springs was healthy we played better as a defense overall and it was due to us going back to the man to man on the cbs. Springs wasnt playing we were in zone most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChampSkinsFanatic Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Remember how bad Kim Helton screwed up Samuels & Jansen? Same thing. Bad coaching. Kim Helton was to blame huh? I remember differently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lavarleap56 Posted February 19, 2007 Author Share Posted February 19, 2007 Definitely sounds like a reasonable explanation for the secondary's struggles. However, Rumph wasn't with the redskins when Walker was coaching. Was he just basing all of this on what others told him? I didnt get into all that but id assume that players were comlaning about it amongst themselves a majority of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Kim Helton was to blame huh? I remember differently Was he not their O-Line coach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChampSkinsFanatic Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 So is this Steve Jackson guy the reason Adam Archuleta sucked to? Is there still hope that they can be the best safety tandem in the NFL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveo21 Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 I didnt get into all that but id assume that players were comlaning about it amongst themselves a majority of the year. LL56 Would you still say Springs is out and Smoot is in? I remember you having a thread on Springs being let go. I could be wrong though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskeypeet Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Thanks for the info LL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lavarleap56 Posted February 19, 2007 Author Share Posted February 19, 2007 LL56 Would you still say Springs is out and Smoot is in? I remember you having a thread on Springs being let go. I could be wrong though. I mentioned earlier in the thread that MR was the one telling me the info that Springs was the guy that did the interview with Tom Fiend. Talking to MR yesterday though he spit back out some that quote about Jackson almost verbatum so it got my wheels turning about the article and the timeline of events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfbovey Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Was he not their O-Line coach? Kim Helton was part of the Spurrier problem. The finesse offense wasn't suited to our power offensive line. But I blame Spurrier more than I'd blame Helton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkabong82 Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 If what lavarleap56 says is true, and it sounds very plausible, then how the hell has Jackson not been fired yet? Are the Skins still looking for a suitable replacement? I know if our D-line improves, that the secondary will have a much easier job, but I am seriously starting to have my doubts about the secondary's capablities if this stuff is true. Jackson was already demoted, so why can't he be fired? Of course a lot of this is coming from a disgruntled player, and must be taken w/ a grain of salt. Hopefully Williams will wise up before it's too late and get rid of this "dead weight." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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