My homely English town....

[Air Force Cane]

fine, you want to say that crime has not been increasing in England?

might want to read your own BBC News

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/5113248.stm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0,,1926556,00.html

"Crime has stabilised in England and Wales, but robbery and theft is on the rise, according to two sets of statistics released by the Home Office today."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0,,1968195,00.html

[smsmith40]

I didn't say anything of the sort, somebody else pointed out that the article you posted said exactly the opposite of the point you were making.

I only asked why you thought Cameron would do any better

[Sherlock Holmes]

Yeah, me too.

Apologies, I couldn't help myself once people started weighing in with their own nasty little personal philosophies.

Personally, I've only good memories of Ipswich, I used to live in Chelmsford and I drove up to the football a few times, good place for a neutral to go and see some games.

This guys working fast, they'll catch him pretty soon

No problem, I had to stop myself from getting myself into some silly interwebtastic debate on politics and asylum seekers. :doh:

[Air Force Cane]

-armed robbery up 10% in UK in last year

-a 22% rise in all robberies to 311,000, its highest level for four years.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5195910.stm

[smsmith40]

And a 7% drop in house robberies, a 3% drop in vehicle crime and a 12% drop in homicides (despite the figures including the 50 odd killed in the tube bombings)

[Johnny Punani]

Overall crime down 1%

Violent crime up 2%, with robberies up 8%

House burglaries down 7%

Handguns used for crime up 7%

Murders and manslaughters down 12%

Drug trafficking up 5%

Vehicle theft down 3%

Serious woundings down 4%

MP3 players are increasingly a target for robbers Cannabis possession offences up 36%

[smsmith40]

BTW the answer was

California, Florida, Ohio, Pensylvannia, New York and Texas

[Mass_SkinsFan]

BTW Mass Skins Fan, in 1999 (last year for comparative stats) there were 746 homicides in England and Wales compared to 15,530 in the US.

I'll take gun control every time.

That's fine. When some POS breaks into your house or robs you on the street because you have no way to defend yourself, please don't complain about it. You've made your decision to be a defenseless sheep in society and someday you may just pay the price for it. Good for you. Personally, I prefer to be a predator rather than prey.

[Kurd Cudins]

Was the duck OK?

[ashburnskinsfan]

That's fine. When some POS breaks into your house or robs you on the street because you have no way to defend yourself, please don't complain about it. You've made your decision to be a defenseless sheep in society and someday you may just pay the price for it. Good for you. Personally, I prefer to be a predator rather than prey.

You seem confused here Mass. :laugh: Gun control does not equal no guns for law abiding citizens.

And if someone tries to rob you at gun-point on the street, I'd recommend you hand over your wallet, as going for your concealed weapon may not work out so well. :laugh:

[Mass_SkinsFan]

OK JP, as our dependence on the governent for personal security seems to be working out REALLY well for us, I'll take it thanks.

Why don't you keep your personal security and your 15,000 homicides. Do you want to know how any US states had more homicides than the whole of the UK last year ?

It's not just about homicides, mate. It's about robberies, burglaries, carjackings, and the ability to overthrow the government when necessary. You folks in the Useless Kingdom have no effective way to defend yourselves, as you apparantly admit it from your post. I've got to give you credit for at least seeing and admitting that. How you can't see the need for the right to own defensive weapons, and the right to use them, I'm not sure; but apparantly you have found some way to convince yourself that you're still 10 feet tall and bulletproof.

I just wonder if your view will change someday if that one time in your life that you need a Bobby, there isn't one anywhere around and you pay the price; whether it's losing your wallet, having your lady kidnapped or raped, or being physically harmed yourself; because you have no ability to defend yourself from a criminal who isn't as willing to be a defenseless sheep as you are.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

You seem confused here Mass. :laugh: Gun control does not equal no guns for law abiding citizens.

ashburn, let's take a look at the biggest proponents of "Gun Control" in the Twentieth Century.... Stalin, Hittler, Hussein, and Castro lead the list. In each instance "licensing and registration" turned into confiscation and disarmament of the public. Similar things have happened recently, or are happening as I type this in... Australia, Canada, Scotland, and England. That's a seriously AWFUL track record of governments only SLIGHTLY restricting the right of individuals to keep and bear arms.

And if someone tries to rob you at gun-point on the street, I'd recommend you hand over your wallet, as going for your concealed weapon may not work out so well. :laugh:

I'll take my chances. I practice techniques for dealing with that sort of circumstance on pretty much a weekly basis. I will lay on the street dying of a gunshot wound before I willingly give some punk-ass street thug my wallet. If I get myself into that sort of situation and can't get myself out of it, I deserve to die.

[edit]Besides, no self-respecting mugger would want my wallet. I tend to carry less than $100 in cash, I don't carry any of my credit cards in my wallet, and my ATM card PIN number is almost totally random, so it wouldn't be easy to break.[/edit]

[MontanaRed]

UPDATE AGAIN: Two bodies found this afternoon 5 miles south or Ipswich, 3 miles south of my house.

Every prostitute who has been reported missing in Ipswich over the last two weeks has been found dead. This time two together.

Either way, I think it is sad that a thread started to inform fellow skins fans about current life in my town has turned into a fullblown political debate.

I agree Sherlock. I think there are some here who can't possibly think you might mean them. They have the facts, they are right, and they must let the world (or ES) know!

It's sad. It's not a thread about gun control, or whether or not prostitution is alright or evil, it's about a sixteen year old fellow Redskin fan (and ES tailgater!) letting us know about FIVE murders so close to home. That's a lot going on and a lot to handle. I'd be scared if it was me - even though you're male and aren't a prostitute!

I hope the working girls are taking the cops advice to stay in groups over the "busy holiday season". (I didn't realize business picked up over the holidays!)

You take care too, and stay in a group if you're cutting through the woods. Keep us updated.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

I saw something about this on Olberman tonight. How it's Jack the Ripper part 2. One of the victims has the same last name as the first Jack the Ripper victim and another of the victims name is almost indentical to another Jack the Ripper victim. Crazy stuff.

[smsmith40]

It's not just about homicides, mate. It's about robberies, burglaries, carjackings, and the ability to overthrow the government when necessary. You folks in the Useless Kingdom have no effective way to defend yourselves, as you apparantly admit it from your post. I've got to give you credit for at least seeing and admitting that. How you can't see the need for the right to own defensive weapons, and the right to use them, I'm not sure; but apparantly you have found some way to convince yourself that you're still 10 feet tall and bulletproof.

I just wonder if your view will change someday if that one time in your life that you need a Bobby, there isn't one anywhere around and you pay the price; whether it's losing your wallet, having your lady kidnapped or raped, or being physically harmed yourself; because you have no ability to defend yourself from a criminal who isn't as willing to be a defenseless sheep as you are.

Goodluck overthrowing the government with your "purely defensive" AK47.

Seriously though, as I've said before I'm happy that guns are not freely available in my country, compared to yours because in my country I am half as likely to have my house burgled and a third as likely to be robbed.

In fact overall a person is 10 times more likely to be a victim of a violent crime in the the US than in my country. If that is the safety your defensive weapons are giving you then you can keep it.

BTW there the governemnt doesn't "slightly restrict" gun ownership. Personal ownership of handguns and automatic weapons is banned,against the law, forbidden and to my knowledge there is no significant grouping of people who disagree with that.

Although, come to think of it, if I lived in a society as violent as yours, maybe I'd want a gun too. Happily, I don't

[Sherlock Holmes]

I agree Sherlock. I think there are some here who can't possibly think you might mean them. They have the facts, they are right, and they must let the world (or ES) know!

It's sad. It's not a thread about gun control, or whether or not prostitution is alright or evil, it's about a sixteen year old fellow Redskin fan (and ES tailgater!) letting us know about FIVE murders so close to home. That's a lot going on and a lot to handle. I'd be scared if it was me - even though you're male and aren't a prostitute!

I hope the working girls are taking the cops advice to stay in groups over the "busy holiday season". (I didn't realize business picked up over the holidays!)

You take care too, and stay in a group if you're cutting through the woods. Keep us updated.

Here Here.

It's very surreal to be living so close to something like this. It really is like a movie. As we speak the Police have closed off the main road into the centre of town from the east of my town. Unfortunately, I'm now off to school, so It's unlikely I can keep you updated during the day. I'll try my best, and of course I'll keep safe.

[d0ublestr0ker0ll]

It's not just about homicides, mate. It's about robberies, burglaries, carjackings, and the ability to overthrow the government when necessary. You folks in the Useless Kingdom have no effective way to defend yourselves, as you apparantly admit it from your post. I've got to give you credit for at least seeing and admitting that. How you can't see the need for the right to own defensive weapons, and the right to use them, I'm not sure; but apparantly you have found some way to convince yourself that you're still 10 feet tall and bulletproof.

I just wonder if your view will change someday if that one time in your life that you need a Bobby, there isn't one anywhere around and you pay the price; whether it's losing your wallet, having your lady kidnapped or raped, or being physically harmed yourself; because you have no ability to defend yourself from a criminal who isn't as willing to be a defenseless sheep as you are.

Because they have a law against civilan gun carrying, the British are useless people?

The U.K. has had some of the greatest warriors ever. England was the first to slap Hitler in the face, and take a gander at Braveheart. Scottish, yes, but that's like calling people from Virginia different than people in Maryland. Bad drivers, but overall the same kind of people.

The U.K. faught by your own mentality. The "fight or die trying" attitude was prevelant in Britain while their schools, hospitals and homes were getting bombed in 1941. Only Russia could fend off Hitler and that was due in part to the coldest Russian winter in decades (all due respect to the Ruskies).

The main reason the U.S. is armed is because we have the right to overthrow our government. Guns give you the right to defend yourself, but the gun law was originally made to hand the civilization the right to overthrow. Isn't that a bit past its time? What are 500 blue collar workers with 9mm's against an Apache helecopter? Spaggetti?

By the way, calling this kid names only brings you down to a lower respect level. Not only does it make you seemingly genocidle towards the "Useless Kingdom", it makes your aggressive debating sound desperate for notable matierial.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

Goodluck overthrowing the government with your "purely defensive" AK47.

Better to die trying to overthrow an improper government than to live under the boot of one, as you people in the Useless Kingdom do. To have accepted the gutless, disgusting, Socialist system in the UK is a crime in and of itself.

Seriously though, as I've said before I'm happy that guns are not freely available in my country, compared to yours because in my country I am half as likely to have my house burgled and a third as likely to be robbed.

That's fine. Right up to the point where the cosmic eight ball doesn't come up in your favor and you are a victim of a crime. At which point you have no way to defend yourself, your family, or your property. Whereas I have the right and the ability to turn the tables on that criminal and ensure he/she never does that to anyone again.

BTW there the governemnt doesn't "slightly restrict" gun ownership. Personal ownership of handguns and automatic weapons is banned,against the law, forbidden and to my knowledge there is no significant grouping of people who disagree with that.

That's because you're all SHEEP. You expect the shepard (government) and the sheep dog (police) to keep you safe. Unfortunately in a flock of sheep as large as the entirety of Britian, the shepard and sheep dog cannot keep you all safe. Oh, and the use of ANY firearm in a defensive manner is illegal in England. I know that for a fact. The fact that nobody resisted or currently resists the lack of gun owner's rights in the UK simply tells me that you deserve the disgusting government that you have.

Although, come to think of it, if I lived in a society as violent as yours, maybe I'd want a gun too. Happily, I don't.

If I lived in as Socialist a society as you do, I'd want a gun even more than I do now. I'd use it to put myself out of my misery.

[smsmith40]

You guys are too funny. Do you check for Reds under the bed every night?

[Sarge]

Guns or no guns, it's a far cry from 20 years ago when Bobbies were, for the most part, unarmed.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

Because they have a law against civilan gun carrying, the British are useless people?

It isn't the only one, but it is one of the main reasons. The British citizens are sheep, like most Americans are nowadays. They put all their trust and faith in the government, which is a sign of insanity and incompetence so far as I am concerned.

The U.K. has had some of the greatest warriors ever. England was the first to slap Hitler in the face, and take a gander at Braveheart. Scottish, yes, but that's like calling people from Virginia different than people in Maryland. Bad drivers, but overall the same kind of people.

The U.K. faught by your own mentality. The "fight or die trying" attitude was prevelant in Britain while their schools, hospitals and homes were getting bombed in 1941. Only Russia could fend off Hitler and that was due in part to the coldest Russian winter in decades (all due respect to the Ruskies).

William Wallace was a Scotsman (you tell him he was British) fighting AGAINST an oppressive ENGLISH king. I'd love to see you tell somebody at a Scotish Highland Games that they're kinsmen of any Englishman. I'd probably pay to see that. I'd even bring the EMS unit to take you to the hospital afterwards. As for the Battle of Britian... if they'd dealt with Hitler BEFORE he turned his murderous wrath on the European continent instead of placating him, it wouldn't have been necessary. Oh, and a lot of the equipment they used to fight that battle came from the US in the Lend-Lease program.

The main reason the U.S. is armed is because we have the right to overthrow our government. Guns give you the right to defend yourself, but the gun law was originally made to hand the civilization the right to overthrow. Isn't that a bit past its time? What are 500 blue collar workers with 9mm's against an Apache helecopter? Spaggetti?

You are totally correct in that. The 2nd Amendment was written to protect the right of the individual to own arms to defend oneself against enemies both foreign and domestic. That is so relevant to today's world, where the United States is being overrun by enemies of the country, and it's coming to a point where armed revolt may be our only option to return the country to its proper government.

Oh, and 500 blue collar workers with the weapons we should be allowed to own, would be a serious threat to that Apache. Even if we are nothing more than spaghetti, we'd die as Patriots, which is considerably better than living as slaves, like our Britass cousins do.

By the way, calling this kid names only brings you down to a lower respect level. Not only does it make you seemingly genocidle towards the "Useless Kingdom", it makes your aggressive debating sound desperate for notable matierial.

I have no respect for him at all, so my respect level for him can't go down. I believe my views on foreigners of all types is pretty well known around here.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

You guys are too funny. Do you check for Reds under the bed every night?

There's no humor in my posts at all, mate. So far as I'm concerned your country is the equivelant of the USSR, Cuba, or China.

[smsmith40]

Th vast majority still are, its only really at airports that you will come across police carrying guns as a matter of course. Sad sign of the times unfortunately.

I'm just gigling about the thought of a MSF / JP utopia of mass demonstrations marching on Parliament chanting "More guns in Society. More guns in Society...."

[smsmith40]

The U.K. has had some of the greatest warriors ever. England was the first to slap Hitler in the face, and take a gander at Braveheart. Scottish, yes, but that's like calling people from Virginia different than people in Maryland

Now I've lost my sense of humour, not only have you dissed my distinct cultural identityas a Scotsman, you've made me agree with MSF on something.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

The vast majority still are, its only really at airports that you will come across police carrying guns as a matter of course. Sad sign of the times unfortunately."

True. It's an exceptionally sad sign of the times when the police are outgunned by the criminals they're supposed to protect society from. Unfortunately that's a fact of life here in the US and in England. The discrepancy is worse in England, but it exists in both places.

I'm just gigling about the thought of a MSF / JP utopia of mass demonstrations marching on Parliament chanting "More guns in Society. More guns in Society...."

I'm not talkinga bout marching on Parliament with signs demanding the RTKBA be returned to the people. Governments don't return that right after they've usurped it. I'm talking about overthrowing the Britass government and replacing it with one that respects the rights of its citizens.