My homely English town....

[Sherlock Holmes]

It isn't the only one, but it is one of the main reasons. The British citizens are sheep, like most Americans are nowadays. They put all their trust and faith in the government, which is a sign of insanity and incompetence so far as I am concerned.

I'd love to see you tell somebody at a Scotish Highland Games that they're kinsmen of any Englishman.

Been to Britain recently?

Read any newspapers? You think WE put all our faith in government? Good god man, this is so far from the truth. Any government in power in England is ridiculed weekly by almost every person I talk to.

I'd love you to tell any of these lot they arent British :

Before you make assumptions based on whatever opinions you make up, come talk to some people here.

[ashburnskinsfan]

Been to Britain recently?

Read any newspapers? You think WE put all our faith in government? Good god man, this is so far from the truth. Any government in power in England is ridiculed weekly by almost every person I talk to.

I'd love you to tell any of these lot they arent British :

Before you make assumptions based on whatever opinions you make up, come talk to some people here.

We've been down this road before with Mass. He admits, and takes pride in the fact that, he is completely ignorant of modern European history, culture and society, but that in no way restricts his desire to make ludicrous statements about it. :doh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Mass_SkinsFan]

Been to Britain recently?

Nope. Never been to Britain. While there are some historic places and things I'd probably enjoy visiting, I'm not interested in dealing with the modern socialist state in Britain, so I probably never will go either.

Read any newspapers? You think WE put all our faith in government? Good god man, this is so far from the truth. Any government in power in England is ridiculed weekly by almost every person I talk to.

Obviously enough of you have enough faith in the government that nobody has actively tried to overthrow it. Talk is cheap on both sides of the Atlantic Ocean, and the fact that neither of our governments has been overthrown in recent years is just further proof that socialism is spreading like the fatal virus that it is.

Before you make assumptions based on whatever opinions you make up, come talk to some people here.

Before you make the assumption that I have anything other than contempt or disgust for everyone who isn't an American citizen living in the United States maybe you should read some of my other posts and come to the realization that those are exactly my beliefs on the topic.

[Blighty Skins]

Well, until they catch this guy I guess its going to fit EVERBODY's individual bigotry.

The fact that serial killers are overwhelmingly white, indigenous males see to be passing us all by today (and the tragedy of 5 dead women).

Who said it was a serial killer. Might be a drug-gang doing this....

[smsmith40]

Best just to laugh, SH, just by sheer weight of probability there had to be at least one American that exactly fits the worst stereotype.

The saddest thing is that not only does he revel in his ignorance our society that he has so much contempt for, he hates his own just as much. It must be terrible to be him.

Personally, I just want to give him and his little tinfoiled covered head a big hug.

[smsmith40]

Drug gangs don't go around killing their best customers......Its a nutter

[Blighty Skins]

latest statistics I saw reported that there has been a significant increase in just about every type of crime in the UK in the last decade.

are you saying this is not the case and safety is not a concern? I have been reading articles in the last few weeks of individuals being beaten to death by yobs in the middle of the town streets..

Ignore him...I can tell you the UK has become much much more dangerous over the past 5 years, let alone 30. I can also tell you I was involved in a violent incident where a person was nearly killed, whilst a madman was trying to murder a female...and I'm the type to avoid violence at all cost.

[Blighty Skins]

Well AFC has never been one to let the facts get in the way of a pre-conceived opinion.

In any case, I was just wondering what additional measures he was expecting fro Cameron. I'm a political junkie, I live in the UK and to my knowledge Cameron has made absolutely NO policy announcements on crie (or anything else) since he was elected Tory leader.

Sorry, you can sell this to the Americans, but not a Londoner like me. Cameron has said he'll curb immigration which has gone rife under Labour (which is true). Immigration breeds crime. Just look at the Eastern Europeans and the prostitution/human trafficking problem we know have. Curb innigration=less crime. That's obvious.

Thanks for listening.

p.s. Your liberal and unrealistic attitude is making Blighty go down the toilet quicker. Please refrain from voting.

[Blighty Skins]

Drug gangs don't go around killing their best customers......Its a nutter

How about an Eastern European human-trafficking gang who want to get a foothold in Ipswich with their own girls, trafficked from ..... (insert Eastern European hell hole)?

[Mass_SkinsFan]

Best just to laugh, SH, just by sheer weight of probability there had to be at least one American that exactly fits the worst stereotype.

Yes, I do fit the stereotype of the "Angry American". If more Americans did, this country would be a lot better off. Just as we'd be a lot better off if we got our noses out of the rest of the world's business and let you all fail on your own.

The saddest thing is that not only does he revel in his ignorance our society that he has so much contempt for, he hates his own just as much. It must be terrible to be him.

Not terrible at all, believe it or not. I know the difference between right & wrong, good & evil so I can avoid most of it in American society. Some of it is unavoidable, so I just try to limit my involvement with it. Dealing with foreigners is generally avoidable, thankfully; so that's pretty easy.

Personally, I just want to give him and his little tinfoiled covered head a big hug.

No tinfoil hats here. No "Men In Black" conspiracy theories or UFO sightings either. Just somebody who understands the difference between right & wrong and isn't shy about pointing it out to other people. Oh, and I wouldn't suggest trying to hug me. The experience probably wouldn't be terribly pleasant.

[Blighty Skins]

There seems to be two completely different views here, both on the extreme end of the spectrum, and totally without experience in the matter:

MassSkinsFans: Who unrealisticeally seems to think we can't defend ourselves in the UK, we are "sheep-people" who rely on the police to keep us safe. Untrue.

SmSmith40: Who lives in a relatively rural and safe area in England, thinks the whole of the UK must be like that and blissfully is unaware of just how violent this place is.

Then there's me...who came across a man attempting to murder a woman, with a hammer, in a London street .Was then attacked by said madman with said weapon (when I came out of my car to confront him) and subsequently sent the madman to hospital by hitting him with my car when he didn't yield and was about to finish the woman off.

Now..I hate violence and hitting anything, even a cat or dog with my car, makes me feel bad, let alone a "person". But to say you can't defend yourself in the UK is simply untrue. Admittedly I am ex-army, and I was trained to use deadly, or in this case, "reasonable force" to get the required results. So if it was someone else, maybe things would've gone differently.

My case went to court, I was never charged. I was though forced to testify as a principal witness (obviously). The judge gave me a Merit Order for saving the womans life. The madman spent a night in hospital and was then discharged (arrested). When I hit him he just fell unconscious but did not suffer any serious injury whatsoever...

...so as you can see you may and can defend yourself in the UK.

p.s. I am a non-violent person and a firm believer things can be resolved without violence.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

There seems to be two completely different views here, both on the extreme end of the spectrum, and totally without experience in the matter:

MassSkinsFans: Who unrealisticeally seems to think we can't defend ourselves in the UK, we are "sheep-people" who rely on the police to keep us safe. Untrue.

SmSmith40: Who lives in a relatively rural and safe area in England, thinks the whole on the UK must be like that and blissfully is unaware of just how violent this place is.

Then there's me...who came across a man attempting to murder a woman, with a hammer, in a London street Was then attacked by said madman with said weapon (when I came out of my car to confront him) and subsequently sent the madman to hospital by hitting him with my car when he didn't yield and was about to finish the woman off.

Now..I hate violence and hitting anything, even a cat or dog with my car, makes me feel bad, let alone a "person". But to say you can't defend yourself in the UK is simply untrue. Admittedly I am ex-army, and I was trained to use deadly, or in this case, "reasonable force" to get the required results. So if it was someone else, maybe things would've gone differently.

My case went to court, I was never charged. I was though forced to testify as a principal witness (obviously). The judge gave me a Merit Order for saving the womand life. The madman spent a night in hospital and was then discharged (arrested). When I hit him he just fell unconscious but did not suffer any serious injury whatsoever...

...so as you can see you may and can defend yourself in the UK.

p.s. I am a non-violent person and a firm believer things can be resolved without violence.

Wow man, nice work!

Kudos to you for your bravery!

:applause:

[smsmith40]

I remember now, you were the xenophobe from last night

[Sarge]

sent the madman to hospital by hitting him with my car when he didn't yield and was about to finish the woman off.

Admittedly I am ex-army, and I was trained to use deadly, or in this case, "reasonable force" to get the required results.

You think nailing someone with your car is "reasonable force"? :laugh:

I like the way you think!

I'm buyng you a big ol' Brown and Bitter if I ever make it back to England

[Blighty Skins]

Wow man, nice work!

Kudos to you for your bravery!

:applause:

Thanks mate. I refused the Merit Order in the end. They invite you to a fancy dinner banquet near the Houses of Parliament where a top policeman and the Sheriff of London (yes there is one ) and other digniteries read out a citation of your actions and other pompous crud. I still recieved the money (£300) though.

A medal means nothing...biggest satisfaction I got was seeing the woman I saved, ALIVE in court. One of the operations I did whilst I was in the army was called Operazione Vespri Siciliani (Operation Sicilian Hornets). It was the time all the judges in Sicily were being killed by the Mafia (Flacone, Borsellino). We were sent there to protect the judges and their families from being blown up. The mafia were getting large amounts of high explosives and training from the Lybians....hence why they sent us in.

The first month I was posted to guard this judge's family who had a wife and young daughter. The first time I was posted on sniper watch (on the roof opposite the judges apartment building)..I saw the wife and girl. The look on their faces is undescribable...beats any medal you can ever receive. You could see how relieved they were to see us there protecting them. It's hard to describe....but the point is, when you make a difference to someones life...that's where it matters and that's why you do it....not self-gratitude and medals.

[smsmith40]

SmSmith40: Who lives in a relatively rural and safe area in England, thinks the whole of the UK must be like that and blissfully is unaware of just how violent this place is.

Don't make assumptions from address lines. Over the last 15 years I've lived In Edinburgh, East London, Liverpool and Essex, not exactly rural paradises. In fact the only place I've been a victim of crime is here in sleepy Ledbury.

I understand that you have a different opinion, perhaps based on your experiences but your thing on Eastern Europeans (plenty of whom are here in Hereforsdhire working on farms) make you see like a complete nutter. I work with a lot of Poles and Hungarians, they tend to work harder, be more punctual and are vastly overqulaified for the jobs we ask the to do. They are starting to move up from entry level jobs to ones that are closer to their ability levels.

Oh and Cameron has never said he would REDUCE imigration, he said he would set lmiits based on the needs of the econoy and he specifically conceded that that could mean the sae OR MORE than today.

[Blighty Skins]

Don't make assumptions from address lines. Over the last 15 years I've lived In Edinburgh, East London, Liverpool and Essex, not exactly rural paradises. In fact the only place I've been a victim of crime is here in sleepy Ledbury.

I understand that you have a different opinion, perhaps based on your experiences but your thing on Eastern Europeans (plenty of whom are here in Hereforsdhire working on farms) make you see like a complete nutter. I work with a lot of Poles and Hungarians, they tend to work harder, be more punctual and are vastly overqulaified for the jobs we ask the to do. They are starting to move up from entry level jobs to ones that are closer to their ability levels.

Oh and Cameron has never said he would REDUCE imigration, he said he would set lmiits based on the needs of the econoy and he specifically conceded that that could mean the sae OR MORE than today.

I'm sorry, during my tenure as a NATO soldier they taught us that the Eastern Europeans (Warsaw Pact) were our biggest enemies. They trained us to kill them, destroy Eastern-bloc MBTs, IFVs etc. And all this only up until 10 years ago.

Kind of hard to get all lovey dovey like you I suppose. I wonder what would've happened if they won the Cold War instead of us? Would they welcome us into their country? Or just invade us like they were threatening for 50 years?

You live in your own little world and think everyone must be like you. Hasn't unemployment risen for the first time in a decade? I suppose a million Eastern European immigrants has nothing to do with this? Or the fact they are driving down wages because these people will work for much less considering they make a months wages in a week over here? Or how about the fact they are not allowed to claim benefits? Surely this is saying the British government doesn't really want them here and is just towing the EU line?

Don't call me a xenophobe...I am resident and citizen of another country in Europe besides the UK, which makes your accusation ridiculous.

p.s. Didn't we have nukes pointed at Eastern European nations, ready to destroy whole populations of man, women and children at the push of a button? How can such animosity be wiped out in the span of ten years is beyond me...I bet they still hold a lot of that animosity and hatred towards the West.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

p.s. Didn't we have nukes pointed at Eastern European nations, ready to destroy whole populations of man, women and children at the push of a button? How can such animosity be wiped out in the span of ten years is beyond me...I bet they still hold a lot of that animosity and hatred towards the West.

They must if one of them is killing your prostitutes!!

[smsmith40]

I hear you but times have changed. Eastern Europe is not our enemy, just like Germany and Japan are not our enemy.

Unemployment went down this month, minimum wage jobs are minimum wage jobs whoever does them, and people need to pay National Insurance before they get benefits.

As far as bowing down to Europe, Gerany and France haven't taken in nearly as any as we have. More fool them, our population is aging, pension costs are going to cripple us unless we get an infusion of new young workers.

Even the Tories recognise the economic case for imigration

[Sherlock Holmes]

It seems surreal how there have been Police helicopters flying over my house and the surrounding area all day, the main route into town from my neck of the woods is closed, and the police headquarters a mile from my school are buzzing with the worlds media.

Oh im so sorry, I seem to have interrupted the political debate emerging, do carry on.

[Sarge]

It seems surreal how there have been Police helicopters flying over my house and the surrounding area all day, the main route into town from my neck of the woods is closed, and the police headquarters a mile from my school are buzzing with the worlds media.

Oh im so sorry, I seem to have interrupted the political debate emerging, do carry on.

Hey, at least the guy seems to have takena day off today

[Blighty Skins]

I hear you but times have changed. Eastern Europe is not our enemy, just like Germany and Japan are not our enemy.

Unemployment went down this month, minimum wage jobs are minimum wage jobs whoever does them, and people need to pay National Insurance before they get benefits.

As far as bowing down to Europe, Gerany and France haven't taken in nearly as any as we have. More fool them, our population is aging, pension costs are going to cripple us unless we get an infusion of new young workers.

Even the Tories recognise the economic case for imigration

So how much National Insurance have Africans paid, you know, the ones who come over and get housing benefit whilst still being considered for refugee status? Or how about the 16 year old school leaver who goes on the dole. How much National Insurance have they paid? So you're wrong there.

I'm not talking about Minimum Wage jobs. I'm talking about plumbers for example, who now find their livelyhood down the drain because of the influx of non income-tax paying, cheap plumbers...who by the way, if you do find has done a duff job on your house, have even less recourse to get some compensation because they don't have to register a company at Companies House and work off of mobiles...and just disappear to Poland after a while. Ever thought about them?

And your last line says it all....it's all about economics. Especially economics for the rich. Rich people will now find nannies and au pairs from Slovakia. Rich people will now find plumbers from Poland. Rich people will now employ Metal Workers from Lithuania and pay them under the minimum wage...what the hell, they don;t pay income tax anyway so noone will find out. I hope you're rich...otherwise your nat making any sense defending them.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Hey, at least the guy seems to have takena day off today

Indeed. I went into town last night, it was very eerie, very quiet. With no prostitutes on the streets, the likelyhood is an attack on anybody who the **** can find.

[smsmith40]

Hey, I wish

Oh my god! I've just realised, you're one of those nasty socialists that MSF was talking about

[Mass_SkinsFan]

MassSkinsFans: Who unrealisticeally seems to think we can't defend ourselves in the UK, we are "sheep-people" who rely on the police to keep us safe. Untrue.

How about Mass_SkinsFan who does realisticly believe that under British law you do not have the right to use lethal force (which is what I consider defending oneself) in a self-defense situation, from everything I've read and heard. I KNOW you don't have the right to keep a firearm for personal defense, or to carry a handgun or knife, and somehow I doubt you can carry a sap or OC/Pepper Spray either. So, as far as I am concerned, no the British people CANNOT defend themselves. The "sheep" comment comes from a parable/story entitled the "Parable of the Sheep" by Charles Riggs http://www.catb.org/~esr/guns/sheep.html where he discusses the difference between sheep who will be food for the wolves and sheep who will not be food for wolves. British citizens fall into the first category.

BTW - If you had KILLED the SOB in your story, I'd have some respect for you. The fact that he survived means you didn't do the job properly so far as I'm concerned.