Olbermann's latest gem. . .

[Chief skin]

He is right on the mark with this commentary, if you listen you can hear Liberty dying

[btfoom]

...PS:

It not hyperbole (not anymore) to suggest that this administration is just as much of a threat to our liberty than the terrorists we are supposed to be fighting.

Your statement isn't hyperbole, it is certainly in the top 3 of all time stupid comments made in the Tailgate.

This administration just as much of a threat to our liberty than terrorists, you are truely a blind idealogue who has lost all sense of reality due to your hatred to the Bush administration. I don't like alot of what they have done, but they are NOT actively trying to KILL all 'Westerners' because we don't agree with them. Hamas, Al Quaida, Hezbollah, etc want nothing more than to 'wipe Israel from the map' and 'Kill All Americans'. When this administration starts mass head cuttings and planting car bombs on the streets of American cities, I'll start to take you seriously. Until then, I only have one question for you: "What color is the sky in the world in which you live?"

[Thanos]

Can't wait for the mid-term elections.

[Sarge]

This sounds like plagerism form the NYT's article Lucky posted yesterday

But don't worry fellas. When the stormtroopers come for you, we'll put in a good word:laugh:

[Destino]

Because he is likening it to the internment of the Japanese Americans. That is why.

The logic for these added powers to the government is that we want to prevent another attack. In other words don't wait until it happens. That's the same logic Olbermann is using. He is pointing out historical similarities and asking that this time people not wait until it happens.

Interesting debate.

[DCsportsfan53]

If history has shown anything it's that the more power you give, the more it will be abused. I can't believe people don't understand the implications of this. And Olbermann is right, the terrorists didn't do ANYTHING to the American way of life. Bush, however, has USED the terrorist attacks to chop away at our rights and increase his personal power.

[chomerics]

Your statement isn't hyperbole, it is certainly in the top 3 of all time stupid comments made in the Tailgate.

This administration just as much of a threat to our liberty than terrorists, you are truely a blind ideologe who has lost all sense of reality due to your hatred to the Bush administration. I don't like alot of what they have done, but they are NOT actively trying to KILL all 'Westerners' because we don't agree with them. Hamas, Al Quaida, Hezbollah, etc want nothing more than to 'wipe Israel from the map' and 'Kill All Americans'. When this administration starts mass head cuttings and planting car bombs on the streets of American cities, I'll start to take you seriously. Until then, I only have one question for you: "What color is the sky in the world in which you live?"

You obviously have NO IDEA what you are talking about or who you are talking to. Lucky is nowhere NEAR an ideologue, unlike those in power.

I find it especially disheartening that people completely ignore what we've been saying for the past few years, and are still are ignoring it. We suspended Habeous Corpus, do you understand what that means? When peole say Bush is a threat to our country, the are NOT TALKING about a killing westerners, they are talking about REMOVING OUR FREEDOMS!!!!!

My god, why is it so difficult for anyone to understand??? Just because I have an opposing viewpoint, it automatically renders anything I say useless??? Are you kidding me? OUR country was FOUNDED on dissent and debate. We LISTEN tot he other side, that is why we have thrived!!!! We protect the meek, the innocent, and yes, we even protect the nutjobs and lunatics who like to burn flags and wear hoods over their heads. THAT is what makes our country so great!!!!

Come on now people are you that blinded by ideology that you can see the danger in a government having the ability to throw people away just because you have a label placed on you??? Didn't we fight a regime who placed a Jeed star on people and stripped them of their rights?

Clinton was right, ideologues are the problem with this country, and the right wing is full of ideologues. If people can not understand that the basic foundation for democracy is freedom, then our country is worse off then I though. The left has ideologues too, but again they are not the MAJORITY of the party!!! The PETAs, and the Greenpeaces do not run the left wing like the neo-conservative nutjobs run the right. This is an EXTREME faction in power and people are too god damn blind to even see how this harms them. I can't believe the utter irony of wrapping yourself in a flag and stripping away the constitution and our freedoms. it is sickening, disgusting and an absolute joke.

How about this prescient quote from Upton Sinclair. . .

"When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."

Sound familiar? I bet some STILL don't see the analogy :doh:

[DCsportsfan53]

Why waste the time of someone that has NO credibility?

He's a media pundit

What no concentrate on what someone says instead of always finding a way to discredit the person who said it? You can find problems with anyone, take the words for what they're worth. Who cares who wrote it.

[Sarge]

Yes, YES says Emperor Rove. With this legislation and our newly improved Death Star Diebold voting machines

WE CAN RULE THE UNIVERSE!!!!!!!!!

MWHHHHHAAAAAAAAAA

[Destino]

I still think the strangest thing of all is that right wingers have so much faith in the government these days and left wingers seem to have none at all. It's like Sarge admitting he's gay the same year Chomerics joins the Montana militia with his good pal Mass_skinsfan.

[DCsportsfan53]

I still think the strangest thing of all is that right wingers have so much faith in the government these days and left wingers seem to have none at all. It's like Sarge admitting he's gay the same year Chomerics joins the Montana militia with his good pal Mass_skinsfan.

:laugh: Seriously, I don't understand how ANYONE could have faith in the gov't right now.

[Air Force Cane]

Why does this not surprise me about some unctuous lib?

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10092006/gossip/pagesix/pagesix.htm

KEITH GETS LOW RATINGS IN BED

October 9, 2006 -- A BROWN-haired beauty who claims she had an unsatisfying one-night stand with Keith Olbermann is getting her sweet revenge - she's launched a blog to warn other women about the acerbic MSNBC commentator's boorish bedroom habits. The bitter babe, who calls herself KarmaBites1, says she doesn't want others "to fall into the same trap . . . and I want him to feel some remorse for what he's done . . . He sets his mind on a woman, lures her in, and once he gets what he wants, he refuses to ever speak to them again. And I don't think he understands the damage he's caused." A 30-something office worker of Caribbean descent, KarmaBites1 said she struck up an e-mail friendship with Olbermann, whom she admired, and agreed to fly to New York to meet him last May. She says he came to her hotel room and opened a bottle of Merlot which he "spilled all over." Then, when "sexual activity began [in] less than an hour," Olbermann had difficulty. "I pretended he knew what he was doing," the embittered blogger writes. "I adored the guy. I didn't want him to think he was a dud in bed," so she faked experiencing ecstasy. Next, he piled on excuses as to why he had to leave. "He told me he's an insomniac and that it's hard for him not to sleep in his own bed. He also mentioned he hadn't had 'company' in a while. [He said] he had an early meeting with the Yankees [and] he might be allergic to the pillows in the hotel bed." Six days later, she claims, Olbermann e-mailed her to tell her never to contact him again. "I practically begged him to explain what I did wrong. I told him I deserved some kind of explanation for such a dismissal, but I never heard from him again." She said she's since heard from six other women who say they had brief sexual relationships with Olbermann. She named her blog forthisreliefmuchthanks.blogspot.com, after a line from "Hamlet" she says the perennial bachelor quoted. Olbermann's spokeswoman said she'd get back to us, but didn't.

[jbooma]

Unlike. . .

Rush

Hannity

Savage

Coltier

O'Reily

Cavuto

Gibson

Malkin

Cameron

Horowitz

ad infinitum

were either of them on sportscenter

i can not take the guy serious after listening to him on teh dan patrick show talking about his hard on for the Yanks, if you want to be taken serious then be serious, untill then we take you for what you are, a person who wants to be a journalist but has no credibility

the fact you seem to be in love with someone that has no respect thoughout the media shows you would dig up anything to prove a point

[Sarge]

I still think the strangest thing of all is that right wingers have so much faith in the government these days and left wingers seem to have none at all. It's like Sarge admitting he's gay the same year Chomerics joins the Montana militia with his good pal Mass_skinsfan.

It's like Reagan said, "Trust but verifiy"

As a conservative, I don't like the government having anymore power than absolutely neccessary. But of rsome reason, and with as many hang ups as I have with Bush, I trust him to wield the power and to use it on the right *******s.

Maybe it's because I've seen a few of these *******s up close and personal and know moreso than the average American about the mentality we're dealing with

Now, if this was Klinton and Janet Reno, it would scare the living hell out of me. Look what they did and didn't even have legislation to back them up.

Like Redskindiehard said, when I start seeing regular Americans being escorted away while shopping at Martins, then they'll have a problem with me

[Destino]

Like Redskindiehard said, when I start seeing regular Americans being escorted away while shopping at Martins, then they'll have a problem with me

And what the hell are you going to do about it then? Piss and moan in your cell? If it gets to that point the only thing that can be done is to wait for the people in power to leave - see the history of such problems for evidence of this.

Then again there is no way we will ever see eye to eye on this. My family is originally from Chile so my opinion is decidedly bias when I hear things like "military trials". I'm sure you understand why.

[chomerics]

Why does this not surprise me about some unctuous lib?

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10092006/gossip/pagesix/pagesix.htm

So now you are attacking Olberman by using a woman he slept with. . .how republican of you :doh: Stop being the problem, open your eyes and try to be part of the solution. I guess that will go right over your head too.

[DCsportsfan53]

He likes Oblermann for the simple fact that he's one of the few who actual comes out and calls Bush on his bull****. You can try and crush his crediblility all you want so you can ignore what he's saying, but he's not just tossing bull**** out there. All you really have on him is that he was a sporstcaster first, therefore, to you, his opinions mean nothing. Can we please get past bashing WHO says something and actually debate the merits of what the person said? How many people even read a full paragraph of this?

[Air Force Cane]

"We suspended Habeous Corpus, do you understand what that means? When peole say Bush is a threat to our country, the are NOT TALKING about a killing westerners, they are talking about REMOVING OUR FREEDOMS!!!!!"

Seriously, you loons are out of control. First point: You would possess more gravitas if you realized the CORRECT SPELLING of Habeas Corpus. I know that is tough when you are accusing the President of Constitutional violations to actually get the correct terminology straight so at least you have learned something today.

Second: I want you to POST EXACTLY when and where the United States government suspended Habeas Corpus rights for Americans.

That is what you are claiming- and since you are obviously a legal scholar rivaling Justice Brandeis in stature this shouldn't be too difficult.

Third: list EXACTLY which "other freedoms" have been "removed" from Americans.

Of course, your arguments are really simple polemical rants- and you won't be able to answer these questions since you are ignorant of both the law and reality.

[Cskin]

Olberman brings it again. I still don't understand why people aren't outraged by this.

Yep... he brings it.... and I just wonder how "different" the piece would be if HIS favored political party were in power. :doh:

Next we'll be hearing about the ulitmate truth and justice in appeasement, cut-n-run, negotiate, bribe, and otherwise "turn the other cheek" while the Koreans and Islamofacists plan to destroy us all. What will Obermann say then..... I'm betting it goes something like..... "It's Bush's fault.... he lied...people died.... those people got pissed.... and they attacked us!!!" :doh:

Blowhard transparent political hack is an accurate desciption.

[Duckus]

I still think the strangest thing of all is that right wingers have so much faith in the government these days and left wingers seem to have none at all. It's like Sarge admitting he's gay the same year Chomerics joins the Montana militia with his good pal Mass_skinsfan.

I was about to post the same thing. It is like bizarro world right now in politics. Republicans want a bigger stronger government and trust the government with a tremendous amount of power and the liberals are screaming about just the opposite. It is a strange time that is for sure.

[Redskins Diehard]

And what the hell are you going to do about it then? Piss and moan in your cell? If it gets to that point the only thing that can be done is to wait for the people in power to leave - see the history of such problems for evidence of this.

Then again there is no way we will ever see eye to eye on this. I'm originally from Chile so my opinion is decidedly bias when I hear things like "military trials".

Evaluating this case in the extreme is no more useful than evaluating any other case in the extreme. Olberman is presenting the argument that we have to torture these suspects because one of them knows where a dirty bomb is planted and when it is going off.

[DCsportsfan53]

Yep... he brings it.... and I just wonder how "different" the piece would be if HIS favored political party were in power. :doh:

Next we'll be hearing about the ulitmate truth and justice in appeasement, cut-n-run, negotiate, bribe, and otherwise "turn the other cheek" while the Koreans and Islamofacists plan to destroy us all. What will Obermann say then..... I'm betting it goes something like..... "It's Bush's fault.... he lied...people died.... those people got pissed.... and they attacked us!!!" :doh:

Blowhard transparent political hack is an accurate desciption.

How the **** is that different from what's happening now? We're in the country with probably the least terrorists of all the Islamist regimes, pissing off the whole region as Al Qaeda grows by the day. We aren't doing anything to deal with N Korea. We're barely looking for Bin Laden because we're so busy ****ing up Iraq, please, someone explain to me how the Dems COULD possibly do it any worse.

[Destino]

Evaluating this case in the extreme is no more useful than evaluating any other case in the extreme. Olberman is presenting the argument that we have to torture these suspects because one of them knows where a dirty bomb is planted and when it is going off.

I completely disagree. We are talking about powers here - the only reasonable way to evaluate it is by thinking "worst case scenerio". The founding fathers worked very hard at creating a government with seperated powers precisely because of the idea that the government could not and should not be trusted.

[Redskins Diehard]

I completely disagree. We are talking about powers here - the only reasonable way to evaluate it is by thinking "worst case scenerio". The founding fathers worked very hard at creating a government with seperated powers precisely because of the idea that the government could not and should not be trusted.

I disagree that that is the only way to evaluate it.

[Duckus]

Now, if this was Klinton and Janet Reno, it would scare the living hell out of me. Look what they did and didn't even have legislation to back them up.

I was writing to ask that exact question and then I saw that you kind of touched on the subject a little bit.

You believe these measures are necessary to protect our country and your families, and that is a valid and legitimate point. You believe that this current administration needs these powers to protect us from a new threat that we have never had to deal with before. However, making changes that give the president and federal government a lot of power is not a short term thing, because as many of you have said this war on terror is not a short term war. So let us say that a big dirty liberal like Hillary Clinton or Nancy Pelosi wins the White House in the future. Are you comfortable with these people having these powers in government? I understand you are fine with them right now, but you will have to understand that ALL presidents will have these powers. Are you comfortable with the idea of having “corrupt and morally absent” liberals having these powers? If not, then is it a good idea to do it?