HUman slavery and our buying decision are related

[redskingluvr]

Human slavery in the US and our buying decisions ar related, unfortunately some corporations buy their supplies from companies that use slaves all over the world, from haitii to china. We should know them, mark them, and refuse to give them a penny until they change their ways. They are in effect, by buying from such suppliers, funding and promoting mroe slavery by making a market for it. Taco Bell should be shut down and it's owners in jail. Here is an excerpt from the US State Dep web site, and a link to it's page. there currently over 800,000 slaves trafficked internationally anually, putting the number of slaves into the tens of millions, and the number in the US over a million, mostly as drug mules and sex slaves, ie pay per minute webcam sites are often forced sex slavery rings. Defund slavery, ban Taco Bell and the others.

"In March 2005 the Coalition of Immokalee Workers pressured Yum!, a company selling agricultural goods to businesses such as Taco Bell to increase worker’ wages. Workers were given 40 cents per 32 pound bucket of tomatoes. These wages are the same as they were 30 years ago. Many workers were incarcerated, and beaten. The CIW was able to free 1,000 workers by forcing an increase in wages and rewriting the terms of slavery in Yum!’s supplier code of conduct. "- U.S. State Dep. report

http://www.anti-slavery.org/slavery_today/usa/states.html#va

The most prevalent human slaves are hispanics, asians, and european white women and children. In Haitii organizations I work with personally report up to 25% of the children there are in sometype of forced slavery, and the largest place of export for those slave labor run businesses is the US. the children there get no medical care, and no education, and only enough food and water to keep working. For them to report to local authorities would mean their execution, as they are corrupt yet smile and wave at American tourists. Sudan is also a horrific problem.

SO I am a conservative, why don't liberlas care anough to do anything about this stuff? Instead they worry about gay marraige and forcing public schools to teach kids how to do homosexual acts at age 6. Funny, the slave labor rings teach the kids the same things. Time to get our priorities right.

Gee, I wonder why Alan Colmes doesn't ever talk about this issue.

[Thanos]

Everyone ignores slavery on this planet.

[Destino]

I'm not a conservative and I can ask you the same question, wingnut. Why spend so much energy pushing miseducation programs hoping to trick kids into not having sex instead of worrying about US companies using slave labor in other nations? eh?

Both sides of the political fence ignore this so why not take politics out of it? When I mentioned the human sex slave industry in a thread about legalized prostitution people basically refused to believe the scale choosing to ignore it instead. It seems that unless something is a threat to Joe Suburbia then it gets ignored it stands a good chance of being completely ignored.

[Sarge]

Hey, leave them alone! Those kids are damn happy to make a quarter a week

And Chom is happy too, because he can get flip flops for a dollar!

[Destino]

Hey, leave them alone! Those kids are damn happy to make a quarter a week

And Chom is happy too, because he can get flip flops for a dollar!

Remember these types of statements boys and girls when pondering "why the world hates us" at a later date.

[redskingluvr]

Hey, leave them alone! Those kids are damn happy to make a quarter a week

And Chom is happy too, because he can get flip flops for a dollar!

Maybe you can join me sometime in Haitii rescuing kids from the slavers and you can ask them yourself about how happy they are. Or perhaps you can spend some time counseling the women who are able to escape the sex slavery, and the girls, so you can be sure they r so 'happy'.

[Sarge]

Remember these types of statements boys and girls when pondering "why the world hates us" at a later date.

Hey man, it was Chommie, in another thread about free trade, that essentially said he didn't give a **** about American jobs going away and that he was happy that he could buy dollar flip flops.

The person I want to hear from in this thread is Liberty

[Sarge]

Maybe you can join me sometime in Haitii rescuing kids from the slavers and you can ask them yourself about how happy they are. Or perhaps you can spend some time counseling the women who are able to escape the sex slavery, and the girls, so you can be sure they r so 'happy'.

Been to Haitii for our pizza delivery mission during clintons time. Never want to go to that ****hole again

[redskingluvr]

Thought you said the kids were happy. Clinton's immigration corruption and ties to drug cartels that formed the current INS mess Bush is trying to fix r what let more slaves into the country than anything in US history, more human slaves entered the US during those 8 years than during African slavery prior to the Civil War. Just some interesting facts and the main reason I feel 'political' about it.

Most were hispanic and asian drug mules and sex slaves whose entire families live wihtt he threat of death of they don't comply, including their family in their country of origin. Also, more of them are central and south americans than mexicans.

Here is another excerpt from a site with link for you about terrorist ties and slave traffickers.

http://www.state.gov/g/tip/rls/tiprpt/2004/34021.htm

"Trafficking Fuels Organized Crime. The profits from human trafficking fuel other criminal activities. According to the UN, human trafficking is the third largest criminal enterprise worldwide, generating an estimated 9.5 billion USD in annual revenue according to the U.S. intelligence community. It is also one of the most lucrative criminal enterprises, and is closely connected with money laundering, drug trafficking, document forgery, and human smuggling. There have also been documented ties to terrorism. Where organized crime flourishes, governments and the rule of law are weakened. "

[Larry]

Hey man, it was Chommie, in another thread about free trade, that essentially said he didn't give a **** about American jobs going away and that he was happy that he could buy dollar flip flops.

And it was Sarge who said "chom likes slavery".

[Prosperity]

Details matter in this case, on the one hand life their is harsh in gneral thus a harshi work environment is expected. On the other hand, if it is through coercion then those companies responsible must not be allowed to sell in this market at least. I don't think it is against free trade to require companies to abide by the ideas of free trade (ie not slavery).

[redskingluvr]

Details matter in this case, on the one hand life their is harsh in gneral thus a harshi work environment is expected. On the other hand, if it is through coercion then those companies responsible must not be allowed to sell in this market at least. I don't think it is against free trade to require companies to abide by the ideas of free trade (ie not slavery).

We are not talking about harsh work environments, we are talking about forced slave labor on people threatened with death, imprisonment, beatings, and violence if they don't comply.

I agree with you, however they are doing, it en masse. How many burritos do you think Taco Bell sold today inside the US? Laws don't stop companies from buying anything from any other company. They should, but they don't. We rely on the authorities in those nations to do it, and they don't. Heck we have over a million slaves right in the US. You might be shopping next to one, or driving next to one. Tha majority of them look and act like everyone else. They are held in slavery with threats of death to them or family members. Most come from 3rd world countries that they know their family members will be killed in by cartels or gangs or drug lords if they tell or run.

I have personally met sex and drug cartel slaves and went to Springfield Mall and Tysons Corner Malls with them. They LOOK LIKE REGULAR PEOPLE. They dont' wear tags or identity bracelets and most have illegally obtained SS cards. Their owners pay a few hundred dollars to corrupt INS workers to get those, claiming they brought them here for legitimate work. I know of one family that worked days in the Snack Time distributorship. Nights in Red Lobster. They were forced to sell cocaine from their apartment in Merrifield next to Ffx Hospital. They all(7 of them in a 1 bdrm) had to sell coke on the street. Their daughter was forced by the cartels to give them and their friends sex when and how they wanted, in front of her parents, and was forced to make porn videos.

The people who brought them here for that WORKED for INS, and were there til Bush took over. They flew to South America several times a week to bring a whole planeload of folks, all being told it was for 'jobs' and being charged $6-10,000 each to be turned into slaves. As soon as they get off the planes the young girls are shuffled off one direction to 'get their photos' for their papers. They take them to a house and start shooting porn and prostituting them there. They always beat one badly to scare the rest into submission. Right in Arlington, VA. The drug dealer Clinton pardoned, was connected to that cartel.

I personally will never buy another Taco Bell product or vote democrat agin in my life. I may vote independent or libertarian, but no mo demos. Too many of them r scum. Not saying everyone who holds liberal ideaology or to the parties claimed ideals is scum, but that the party leaders, who get votes by touting itself as something it is not has tricked the masses for years, and they ARE scum. May the real democrats take their party back over.

I also think the media has the responsibility to blow the whistle on these guys and blow it loud, but I guess personal fear of a libel lawsuit is so much more important than other people being made slaves.

[OrangeSkin]

redskingluvr - This stuff is fascinating to me. May I ask, what's your profession and how are you so knowledgeable about the subject? And if you could, keep the anecdotes and figures coming.

[Destino]

Again with the politics. I'm going to be nice and resist the urge to point out some of the delightful things the GOP has brought about in latin America. I'm doing this with the hope that you will drop the pundit act and tell us a few useful things. How do you know what you claim to know? Is there anyway we can help (with specifics)?

[PokerPacker]

I also think the media has the responsibility to blow the whistle on these guys and blow it loud, but I guess personal fear of a libel lawsuit is so much more important than other people being made slaves.

wow, that whole story was amazing. i particularly agree with the part quoted. the media should be busy trying to expose this kind of thing. too much of the media has a political agenda instead of workinng on important things like this. i can't stress that enough. i actually stopped watching the news because of how ridiculous it gets with political mudslinging. this is what they should be paying attention to.

[redskingluvr]

Again with the politics. I'm going to be nice and resist the urge to point out some of the delightful things the GOP has brought about in latin America. I'm doing this with the hope that you will drop the pundit act and tell us a few useful things. How do you know what you claim to know? Is there anyway we can help (with specifics)?

Very good question Destino. I am not trying to sling mud, only shed light on facts. I know this stuff from personal experience and previous work. The figures are available on the CIA and US State Dep websites if you look through them.

I got into this subject due to my previous work, as a contractor working on automation and intel systems, and unfortunately through a close personal relationship with a good friend who got caught in the web of this stuff unknowingly and had to be carefully extricated. The end result was actually more information on an ongoing FBI and CIA investigation in the 90s that culminated in multiple arrests and convictions, the FBI probe into INS, lost jobs for those involved, and the deaths of several cartel heads. It also opened the whole can of worms that HSD and all the agencies under are working hard to clean up.

One way is to support the work they are doing and realize that tho you may politically disagree with Bush, the way he has it(the intel and law enforcement agencies) working now is working, and the bad guys are being caught one by one. So regardless or party let's not dismantle to try to revamp that. Let them have the tools they need to do the job.

The second way is to keep up on the State Dep updates on it, and don't buy from companies they are willing to mention there, they put them there hoping people will realize buying from them is funding this stuff and even greater evils they cannot mention.

The third and perhaps most important way long term, and again I hate to be political, is to support the proposals on the table that Bush put there and many demos and repubs are working on to push thru for immigration reform. The old system is what provided the loopholes for this stuff to get so bad. Now many disagree on the smaller points of it, but the way to dismantle it is as follows. Legalize the immigrants who are here and willing to work, regardless of how they entered. Deporting them will result in their and thier family member's deaths and has been tried, and the result was they all were dead in a matter of days. So I hate to burst the mexican haters bubbles, but it isn't just mexicans that will be affected, and to simply deport them all will result in mass deaths. If you doubt that come to Peru or Haiti with me so you can see the gunmen going around at will. They make the worst gangs in the US look like mickey mouse trainees. I think regardless of party we can work to secure our borders, and let those already stuck here in the slavery system have a way out that won't result in their deaths. The plan to secure the mexican border with high tech security fences and drones will work and needs to be implemented and supported. It is the only quick way to secure such a large area, and National Gaurd troops will be doing much of that work, so support it politically. Don't click on emails asking you to do otherwise. Regardless of party. Also, hillary has again and again proposed legislation on it that has loopholes big enough for all the cartels and slavers to keep operating and she knows it. So write your congressmen and senators asking for the full amnesty package, and stronger borders along with it.

The real criminals, the cartels and slavers, are hoping we will be more worried about the mexicans who came here illegally to work than them. If we are then they win. Remember that the drug trade is dependent on those slave rings. Dealers use slaves so they never get caught holding. That is why our prisons are full of illegals carrying drugs in large amounts, yet the drugs keep coming in. Many of htem were not given a choice about it, it was obey or die. With the immigration laws changed, the incentive and ability for them to be tricked with false promises by the cartels or slavers is gone. Remove the slaves and they have to hold, which means one by one they will go down. They needs mules and the slave system to import the drugs. Without it we cripple them.

Now all of that should have both the repubs and the demos mad at me, but it is the truth and the only plan that will work long term.

Oh the other thing, don't pay for porn on the net, a huge % of that money goes right to those guys. If you happen to know the physical location of the web pornogrpahers who make sites featuring foreign women, especially latins, asians, or children, report it to the FBI or CIA. If you know the location of a place or home where many men go in and come out every day, then report it. If they don't look like druggies, it is probably a prostitution ring. These people move into nice homes in cities and suburbs, then move within months usually.

[RedskinChiefin]

If the Punisher got a hold of some human slavery ring he'd go OFF

[Prosperity]

We are not talking about harsh work environments, we are talking about forced slave labor on people threatened with death, imprisonment, beatings, and violence if they don't comply.

I agree with you, however they are doing, it en masse. How many burritos do you think Taco Bell sold today inside the US? Laws don't stop companies from buying anything from any other company. They should, but they don't. We rely on the authorities in those nations to do it, and they don't. Heck we have over a million slaves right in the US. You might be shopping next to one, or driving next to one. Tha majority of them look and act like everyone else. They are held in slavery with threats of death to them or family members. Most come from 3rd world countries that they know their family members will be killed in by cartels or gangs or drug lords if they tell or run.

I never knew this stuff. I mean, I knew about the sex slaves, but I didn't know that they were also slaves through regular companies. Companies with any profitable connection to slavery have to be sanctioned.

[redskingluvr]

I never knew this stuff. I mean, I knew about the sex slaves, but I didn't know that they were also slaves through regular companies. Companies with any profitable connection to slavery have to be sanctioned.

Therein lies the problem, to be sanctioned it is legaly hairy, can cause problesm wiht international trade deals and relations, and other things. What happens is the lawyers get involved and the next thing yuo know it's a petty fine and a promise to 'do better', but nothing changes. It boils down to the MEDIA using it's influence to expose those companies and the WE THE PEOPLE, as US Citizens, standing up and refusing to buy those companies products. That is the most powerulf sacntion that can be used. Take their profit from it, because they do it, and all incentive is gone to do it.

the other tricky problem is this, lots of companies are under investigation, and exposing them by the government too early tip them off and they then hide or relocate their ilegal operations, so it make shte job of finding them harder and the job of proving sdomehting in the courts much harder. You see, to stop them via media does not require proving anything in court. To stop them via the legal system where international trade dals and laws of other nations intervene, it is difficult, especially when we have to rely on the law enforcement agencis of other countries. So the truth is, the key to overcoming this is individual buying choices and information from the media, media that has to take the risk of possible lawsuits. The governemtn has to be very careful due to obvious political and international issues.

[Midnight Judges]

We are not talking about harsh work environments, we are talking about forced slave labor on people threatened with death, imprisonment, beatings, and violence if they don't comply.

I agree with you, however they are doing, it en masse. How many burritos do you think Taco Bell sold today inside the US? Laws don't stop companies from buying anything from any other company. They should, but they don't. We rely on the authorities in those nations to do it, and they don't. Heck we have over a million slaves right in the US. You might be shopping next to one, or driving next to one. Tha majority of them look and act like everyone else. They are held in slavery with threats of death to them or family members. Most come from 3rd world countries that they know their family members will be killed in by cartels or gangs or drug lords if they tell or run.

I have personally met sex and drug cartel slaves and went to Springfield Mall and Tysons Corner Malls with them. They LOOK LIKE REGULAR PEOPLE. They dont' wear tags or identity bracelets and most have illegally obtained SS cards. Their owners pay a few hundred dollars to corrupt INS workers to get those, claiming they brought them here for legitimate work. I know of one family that worked days in the Snack Time distributorship. Nights in Red Lobster. They were forced to sell cocaine from their apartment in Merrifield next to Ffx Hospital. They all(7 of them in a 1 bdrm) had to sell coke on the street. Their daughter was forced by the cartels to give them and their friends sex when and how they wanted, in front of her parents, and was forced to make porn videos.

The people who brought them here for that WORKED for INS, and were there til Bush took over. They flew to South America several times a week to bring a whole planeload of folks, all being told it was for 'jobs' and being charged $6-10,000 each to be turned into slaves. As soon as they get off the planes the young girls are shuffled off one direction to 'get their photos' for their papers. They take them to a house and start shooting porn and prostituting them there. They always beat one badly to scare the rest into submission. Right in Arlington, VA. The drug dealer Clinton pardoned, was connected to that cartel.

I personally will never buy another Taco Bell product or vote democrat agin in my life. I may vote independent or libertarian, but no mo demos. Too many of them r scum. Not saying everyone who holds liberal ideaology or to the parties claimed ideals is scum, but that the party leaders, who get votes by touting itself as something it is not has tricked the masses for years, and they ARE scum. May the real democrats take their party back over.

I also think the media has the responsibility to blow the whistle on these guys and blow it loud, but I guess personal fear of a libel lawsuit is so much more important than other people being made slaves.

I agree with all your compassionate remarks. You sound like a liberal. However, you are either clueless about the Republican party or you are a manipulative political hack. Republicans support sweatshop labor. Republicans have complete control of the house, the Senate, the judiciary and the White House and what have they done to support this cause?

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/05/09/real.delay/

Moved by the sworn testimony of U.S. officials and human-rights advocates that the 91 percent of the workforce who were immigrants -- from China, the Philippines, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh -- were being paid barely half the U.S. minimum hourly wage and were forced to live behind barbed wire in squalid shacks minus plumbing, work 12 hours a day, often seven days a week, without any of the legal protections U.S. workers are guaranteed, Murkowski wrote a bill to extend the protection of U.S. labor and minimum-wage laws to the workers in the U.S. territory of the Northern Marianas.

DeLay traveled with his family and staff over New Year's of 1997 on an Abramoff scholarship endowed by his client, the government of the territory, to the Marianas, where golf and snorkeling were enjoyed.

DeLay fully approved of the working and living conditions. The Texan's salute to the owners and Abramoff's government clients was recorded by ABC-TV News: "You are a shining light for what is happening to the Republican Party, and you represent everything that is good about what we are trying to do in America and leading the world in the free-market system"

[redskingluvr]

I am not a political hack or trying to manipulate anything. I don't have a talk show or work for any party nor do I do public speaking gigs. I am a retired contractor who is simply relaying the facts. Part of that article is invaluable for our purposes -"Among the manufacturers that had profited from the un-free labor market on the island were Tommy Hilfiger USA, Gap, Calvin Klein and Liz Claiborne."

If that is true, thx for the info. More brands I won't be buying. Keep it coming if you have more, we can dedicate this thread to that type of info regardless of party, as long as it is accurate.

I will try to contact my friend who runs an org in Haitii to take care of and educate the children they are able to pull fromt he slave labor to ge the names of the companies they have and sell to and thru. His org is www.treeoflifeforhaitii.org and tho their site cannot mention it, they have safe houses and refuges for the kids and their families all over the country there. Their hope is to educate the kids and train their parents for viable work so they can relocate and earn a living. If you want to give money or other help to something real getting kids out of this. There are orgs like his in most of those couhtries trying to get the kids out, but it takes money to house, feed, clothe, educate, and give them all medical care. My wife and I help fill large shipping containers to send them from here every year.

As for Tom Delay and other repubs who support wrong things and ideas, I agree with you. Most repubs I know, and thank God Bush, does not susbscribe to that redneckish philosophy. Just as not all liberals are taking campaign contributions from cartels like the clintons do, while pretending to care. This is a corruption that reaches inside both parties to a degree, unfortunately. I don't know much about Delay, but know I do not care for the repubs who are trying to change or block Bush's proposal, I think it stinks of corruption just as the demos who are trying to offer something that leaves slave trades and cartels running stinks. I also do not think one person's remarks reflect the whole party's mindset and heart. I don't care which side of the political aisle it is on, the trash needs to be taken out. It has been stinking up the place far too long. On that we agree.

[chomerics]

Hey man, it was Chommie, in another thread about free trade, that essentially said he didn't give a **** about American jobs going away and that he was happy that he could buy dollar flip flops.

The person I want to hear from in this thread is Liberty

I am for NAFTA, which of course has nothing to do with slavery, unless you consider working for crap slavery.

BTW, do I get to start calling you Adolph now? You've been using the Chommie reference for a while, i was wondering if I could make references to you as Adolph, or the Chancellor. . .

[Sarge]

I am for NAFTA, which of course has nothing to do with slavery, unless you consider working for crap slavery.

BTW, do I get to start calling you Adolph now? You've been using the Chommie reference for a while, i was wondering if I could make references to you as Adolph, or the Chancellor. . .

"Sir" will do

[Shallow1]

I want resitution for my 2 dozen ancestors that died in the civil war fighting for the North to free the slaves.

[redskingluvr]

Good news on the slavery front today. Story on foxnews.com said a raid busted a ring of sex slavery hosues filled with korean women brought in the country just like I said. Having to pay tens of thousands to come and being told it was for jobs, families threatened etc etc.

Here's a link to the full story- http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,208838,00.html

Sad part is, two police officers were accepting bribes to keep quiet about the brothels.

Now we can see why these people don't just run to the nearest police officer screaming for help. Perhaps a police officer was the first one they were forced to have sex with.

Hats off the the Michigan Attorney General, who busted the Greensboro, NC police cheif for trying to get and underage girl to meet him for sex on the net today.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,209102,00.html

Please don't get offended cuz I used Fox stories if you are liberal, feel free to post links to similar stories on this thread from other networks and sites. My real goal here is public awareness and motivation to for all of us to DO something. I don't know of one journalist, liberal or conservative, who would not joyfully jump at the chance to make a difference by doing stories on this subject. If both sides join together on this fight we CAN make a huge difference.

shallow1-

I wish I could get resitution for all the wackery war brought into my family too, but life is a war, always has been and always will be. The question is what wars will we win and which ones will we lose, and how can we keep the personal costs of those wars at a minimum. Wish it were different. My grandfather said there were two things in life you could count on, the sun coming up in the morning and war as long as there are humans on the earth. Then he would smile and say that the other thing he could rely on was my grandmother's coffee. I like your Patton quote by the way. He was a character.