santana_4_prez Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Does anyone know what Jason Campbell ran the 40 in when he was in the combine last year? I know he's probably not nearly as mobile as Vince Young, but I know he is pretty mobile. I think Young ran it in 4.58. The size comparison between Campbell and Vince Young is: Vince Young 6'4 5/8" 228 lbs Jason Campbell 6'4'' 228 lbs Basically identical size-wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnFoRcEr_uPu Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Yea, but I get the feeling Vince Young didn't run it as fast as he could have. Much like how AJ hawk I think ran his 40-time over .2 seconds faster the second time around(from Combine to his Pro day). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurd Cudins Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 This should help you out. OVERVIEW Campbell's development at the quarterback position was a major reason Auburn put together an undefeated 2004 season. This was a player that worked with four different offensive coordinators during his four years with the Tigers, but it was quarterback guru Al Borges who unearthed and fine-tuned the impressive athletic ability that Campbell possesses. Campbell was a Parade All-American and Gatorade Player of the Year in Mississippi as a senior at Taylorsville (Miss.) High School. Prep Football Report and Super Prep rated him the second-best quarterback in the nation. Campbell led the team to the state semifinals, passing for 2,884 yards (167-of-293) and 24 touchdowns and rushed for over 500 yards and six touchdowns in 1999. As a junior, he hit on 174 of 291 passes for 2,719 yards and 33 touchdowns to lead the squad to the state title. Campbell also excelled in basketball, earning All-State honors after averaging 22 points, eight assists and 12 rebounds as a junior to also pick up District Most Valuable Player accolades. While his brother, Larry, decided to stay close to home and play linebacker at Mississippi State, Jason enrolled at Auburn, redshirting as a freshman in 2000. He started seven games in 2001, sharing playing time with Daniel Cobb. Campbell finished with 1,117 yards on 89 of 142 passing with four touchdowns and four interceptions. His pass completion percentage of 62.7 was the best ever by an Auburn freshman quarterback and ranks sixth on the school's single-season record list. He again shared playing time with Cobb as a sophomore, compiling a 5-1 record in the six games Campbell started. He connected on 94 of 149 passes (63.1 percent, the fourth-best season total on the school's record chart) for 1,215 yards, eleven touchdowns and five interceptions. He did fumble the ball seven times and was sacked fourteen times for losses of 99 yards in 2002. Working with his third offensive coordinator in 2003, Campbell struggled to find the end zone consistently in his first year as the full-time starter. He hit on 181 of 293 passes (61.8 percent) for 2,267 yards (sixth-best season total in Auburn annals), eight interceptions and only ten touchdowns. He was not afforded the protection he had in the past and the result was Campbell being sacked 25 times for minus-198 yards. Another coordinator change saw Campbell's senior season turn into a magical one. Borges is well-known for his ability to develop quarterbacks and took Campbell under his wing. Long hours in the offseason paid off, as Campbell would outperform the Southeastern Conference's more heralded passers to earn SEC Offensive Player of the Year honors from the league's coaches and the Associated Press. He was chosen a finalist for the Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award and for the inaugural Manning Award given to the nation's best collegiate quarterback. Campbell also was a semifinalist for the Davey O'Brien Award and named one of the ten players to watch for the Walter Camp Award. For the first time in his career, Campbell felt comfortable with the offensive system. No longer in fear of being yanked for a bad play, he proceeded to complete 188 of 270 passes for 2,700 yards, 20 touchdowns and only seven interceptions. His pass completion percentage of 69.6 ranks second on the school's single-season record chart, topped only by Ben Leard (70.7 percent) in 1999. Only Dameyune Craig (3,277 in 1997) threw for more yards in a season for the Tigers. Campbell's 188 pass completions rank fourth on Auburn's season record list and his 2,730 yards in total offense rank third. His 31 victories (31-8 record) as a starter are the most by any passer in school history and eighth in the SEC. For his career, Campbell gained 7,299 yards on 552 of 854 passing (64.6 percent), with 45 touchdowns and 24 interceptions. Only Stan White (8,016, 1990-93) threw for more yards in a career for the Tigers and White is the only other Auburn player with more pass completions (659) and pass attempts (1,231) than Campbell's total. His pass completion percentage of 64.6 established a school record, surpassing the previous high of 61.5 percent by Jeff Burger (1984-87). Only Pat Sullivan (53, 1969-71) tops his 45 touchdown passes in school history. ANALYSIS Positives: Well-built athlete with a tall, basketball player's style frame. … Has a very strong throwing arm and quick feet to avoid pressure, but is better suited throwing out of the pocket. … Does a nice job of carrying out fakes and has a quick, high release with the strength to get the ball downfield. … Is developing good toughness in the pocket and no longer looks for a rush lane or to hold on to the ball too long when his primary targets are covered. … In 2004, Campbell had very good success with the deep outs, fades and posts. … Shows better timing and the ability to give his receivers a chance to compete for the ball than he did in the past. … Does a good job maneuvering when forced out of the pocket, but is better standing in the pocket than on the roll out, as he is more effective when he has a chance to time his throws. … His natural athletic skills are what makes him an intriguing prospect, but understand that this is a player that has had to digest four different offensive systems during his four years in college. … Made excellent progress in most areas of his game over the last year. … Used to lock on to his main target too much, but coach Al Borges showed him that with patience, he does a much better job of scanning the field or taking hits stepping up in the pocket. Negatives: Sometimes loses accuracy and velocity throwing on the move, as he does not set his feet properly to put all of his force behind those tosses. … Still, for a player of his size, he shows good mobility. … When he rolls out of the pocket, he will sometimes hold the ball low and exposed, resulting in costly fumbles. … Still needs to show better judgement, but has the power behind his throws to thread the ball in a crowd. … His touch on his long ball has improved quite a bit, but he still needs to work on his underneath throws. … Still has not fully grasped the mental aspect of calling his own game yet, and will need to have the plays called for him until he can prove that he can handle play-calling on his own. … Does well in school (3.0 grade point average). His first Wonderlic test score (14) was lower than you like from a player at the quarterback position, but he then scored a much-improved 28 at the Combine in February. … Needs to work on some fundamentals, especially his feet in his pass set, but he has the quickness to get back from center. … Made more sound decisions in 2004 than he did in the past, but he still must improve in reading coverages. INJURY REPORT No injuries reported. AGILITY CAMPUS: 4.69 in the 40-yard dash. … 285-pound bench press. … 370-pound squat. … 305-pound power clean. … 35-inch vertical jump. … 33 ½-inch arm length. … 9 1/8-inch hands. … Right-handed. … 14/28 Wonderlic score. COMBINE: 4.72 seconds in 40-yard dash. … 28 Wonderlic score. … Did not participate in other workout drills. HIGH SCHOOL Attended Taylorsville (Miss.) High School, playing football for coach Shannon White … Parade All-American and Gatorade Player of the Year in Mississippi … As a senior, he passed for 2,884 yards (167-of-293) and 24 touchdowns and rushed for over 500 yards and six scores … Hit on 174 of 291 passes for 2,719 yards and 33 touchdowns as a junior … Led Taylorsville to the state semifinals as a senior and a state title as a junior … Was the second-rated quarterback in the nation by Prep Football Report and rated the seventh best player in the country and second best quarterback by Super Prep, adding "National 50" and All-American honors from that publication … Super Prep Dixie Offensive Player of the Year, All-USA Today second-team, Prep Star All-Southeast Region "Super 30," Atlanta Journal-Constitution "Super Southern 100," Clarion-Ledger "Dandy Dozen" and two-time All-State pick … The District Most Valuable Player was selected to play in the Alabama-Mississippi All-Star game … All-State choice in basketball after averaging 22 points, eight assists and 12 rebounds as a junior … Earned Clarion-Ledger "Dandy Dozen," Conference and District Most Valuable Player honors in basketball. PERSONAL Communication/Public Administration major … Son of Carolyn and Larry Campbell … Brother, Larry, played linebacker at Mississippi State … Born 12/31/81 in Laurel, Mississippi … Resides in Taylorsville, Mississippi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdarugar Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 I am pretty sure it was between 4.5 and 4.6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santana_4_prez Posted March 24, 2006 Author Share Posted March 24, 2006 I still have faith in Brunell, but I'm so excited for the first time we see #17 get some real-time action! Got to give him credit too, for not complaining about being 3rd string last year when all his other Auburn teammates were already making an impact in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurd Cudins Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Yea, but I get the feeling Vince Young didn't run it as fast as he could have. Much like how AJ hawk I think ran his 40-time over .2 seconds faster the second time around(from Combine to his Pro day). Are you kidding? Every split-second can cost a player millions of dollars. They go 100% every time, and if they don't, it doesn't matter how fast they are because they will never be successful in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icewater210 Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 4.78 at the combine and 4.69 at pro day i believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaltySpice1028 Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 I'm pretty sure Campbell was in the mid-4.6's which is still pretty good for a QB. Definitely faster than 2/3 of the QB's in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurd Cudins Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 It was 4.69 and 4.72. here is an article, again. This should help you out.OVERVIEW Campbell's development at the quarterback position was a major reason Auburn put together an undefeated 2004 season. This was a player that worked with four different offensive coordinators during his four years with the Tigers, but it was quarterback guru Al Borges who unearthed and fine-tuned the impressive athletic ability that Campbell possesses. Campbell was a Parade All-American and Gatorade Player of the Year in Mississippi as a senior at Taylorsville (Miss.) High School. Prep Football Report and Super Prep rated him the second-best quarterback in the nation. Campbell led the team to the state semifinals, passing for 2,884 yards (167-of-293) and 24 touchdowns and rushed for over 500 yards and six touchdowns in 1999. As a junior, he hit on 174 of 291 passes for 2,719 yards and 33 touchdowns to lead the squad to the state title. Campbell also excelled in basketball, earning All-State honors after averaging 22 points, eight assists and 12 rebounds as a junior to also pick up District Most Valuable Player accolades. While his brother, Larry, decided to stay close to home and play linebacker at Mississippi State, Jason enrolled at Auburn, redshirting as a freshman in 2000. He started seven games in 2001, sharing playing time with Daniel Cobb. Campbell finished with 1,117 yards on 89 of 142 passing with four touchdowns and four interceptions. His pass completion percentage of 62.7 was the best ever by an Auburn freshman quarterback and ranks sixth on the school's single-season record list. He again shared playing time with Cobb as a sophomore, compiling a 5-1 record in the six games Campbell started. He connected on 94 of 149 passes (63.1 percent, the fourth-best season total on the school's record chart) for 1,215 yards, eleven touchdowns and five interceptions. He did fumble the ball seven times and was sacked fourteen times for losses of 99 yards in 2002. Working with his third offensive coordinator in 2003, Campbell struggled to find the end zone consistently in his first year as the full-time starter. He hit on 181 of 293 passes (61.8 percent) for 2,267 yards (sixth-best season total in Auburn annals), eight interceptions and only ten touchdowns. He was not afforded the protection he had in the past and the result was Campbell being sacked 25 times for minus-198 yards. Another coordinator change saw Campbell's senior season turn into a magical one. Borges is well-known for his ability to develop quarterbacks and took Campbell under his wing. Long hours in the offseason paid off, as Campbell would outperform the Southeastern Conference's more heralded passers to earn SEC Offensive Player of the Year honors from the league's coaches and the Associated Press. He was chosen a finalist for the Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award and for the inaugural Manning Award given to the nation's best collegiate quarterback. Campbell also was a semifinalist for the Davey O'Brien Award and named one of the ten players to watch for the Walter Camp Award. For the first time in his career, Campbell felt comfortable with the offensive system. No longer in fear of being yanked for a bad play, he proceeded to complete 188 of 270 passes for 2,700 yards, 20 touchdowns and only seven interceptions. His pass completion percentage of 69.6 ranks second on the school's single-season record chart, topped only by Ben Leard (70.7 percent) in 1999. Only Dameyune Craig (3,277 in 1997) threw for more yards in a season for the Tigers. Campbell's 188 pass completions rank fourth on Auburn's season record list and his 2,730 yards in total offense rank third. His 31 victories (31-8 record) as a starter are the most by any passer in school history and eighth in the SEC. For his career, Campbell gained 7,299 yards on 552 of 854 passing (64.6 percent), with 45 touchdowns and 24 interceptions. Only Stan White (8,016, 1990-93) threw for more yards in a career for the Tigers and White is the only other Auburn player with more pass completions (659) and pass attempts (1,231) than Campbell's total. His pass completion percentage of 64.6 established a school record, surpassing the previous high of 61.5 percent by Jeff Burger (1984-87). Only Pat Sullivan (53, 1969-71) tops his 45 touchdown passes in school history. ANALYSIS Positives: Well-built athlete with a tall, basketball player's style frame. … Has a very strong throwing arm and quick feet to avoid pressure, but is better suited throwing out of the pocket. … Does a nice job of carrying out fakes and has a quick, high release with the strength to get the ball downfield. … Is developing good toughness in the pocket and no longer looks for a rush lane or to hold on to the ball too long when his primary targets are covered. … In 2004, Campbell had very good success with the deep outs, fades and posts. … Shows better timing and the ability to give his receivers a chance to compete for the ball than he did in the past. … Does a good job maneuvering when forced out of the pocket, but is better standing in the pocket than on the roll out, as he is more effective when he has a chance to time his throws. … His natural athletic skills are what makes him an intriguing prospect, but understand that this is a player that has had to digest four different offensive systems during his four years in college. … Made excellent progress in most areas of his game over the last year. … Used to lock on to his main target too much, but coach Al Borges showed him that with patience, he does a much better job of scanning the field or taking hits stepping up in the pocket. Negatives: Sometimes loses accuracy and velocity throwing on the move, as he does not set his feet properly to put all of his force behind those tosses. … Still, for a player of his size, he shows good mobility. … When he rolls out of the pocket, he will sometimes hold the ball low and exposed, resulting in costly fumbles. … Still needs to show better judgement, but has the power behind his throws to thread the ball in a crowd. … His touch on his long ball has improved quite a bit, but he still needs to work on his underneath throws. … Still has not fully grasped the mental aspect of calling his own game yet, and will need to have the plays called for him until he can prove that he can handle play-calling on his own. … Does well in school (3.0 grade point average). His first Wonderlic test score (14) was lower than you like from a player at the quarterback position, but he then scored a much-improved 28 at the Combine in February. … Needs to work on some fundamentals, especially his feet in his pass set, but he has the quickness to get back from center. … Made more sound decisions in 2004 than he did in the past, but he still must improve in reading coverages. INJURY REPORT No injuries reported. AGILITY CAMPUS: 4.69 in the 40-yard dash. … 285-pound bench press. … 370-pound squat. … 305-pound power clean. … 35-inch vertical jump. … 33 ½-inch arm length. … 9 1/8-inch hands. … Right-handed. … 14/28 Wonderlic score. COMBINE: 4.72 seconds in 40-yard dash. … 28 Wonderlic score. … Did not participate in other workout drills. HIGH SCHOOL Attended Taylorsville (Miss.) High School, playing football for coach Shannon White … Parade All-American and Gatorade Player of the Year in Mississippi … As a senior, he passed for 2,884 yards (167-of-293) and 24 touchdowns and rushed for over 500 yards and six scores … Hit on 174 of 291 passes for 2,719 yards and 33 touchdowns as a junior … Led Taylorsville to the state semifinals as a senior and a state title as a junior … Was the second-rated quarterback in the nation by Prep Football Report and rated the seventh best player in the country and second best quarterback by Super Prep, adding "National 50" and All-American honors from that publication … Super Prep Dixie Offensive Player of the Year, All-USA Today second-team, Prep Star All-Southeast Region "Super 30," Atlanta Journal-Constitution "Super Southern 100," Clarion-Ledger "Dandy Dozen" and two-time All-State pick … The District Most Valuable Player was selected to play in the Alabama-Mississippi All-Star game … All-State choice in basketball after averaging 22 points, eight assists and 12 rebounds as a junior … Earned Clarion-Ledger "Dandy Dozen," Conference and District Most Valuable Player honors in basketball. PERSONAL Communication/Public Administration major … Son of Carolyn and Larry Campbell … Brother, Larry, played linebacker at Mississippi State … Born 12/31/81 in Laurel, Mississippi … Resides in Taylorsville, Mississippi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsman4u Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 I am pretty sure it was between 4.5 and 4.6 Correct it was a high 4.5 and a low 4.6. This is a fact. Now we all know football speed is something altogether different..probably more like a 4.4. So if we're talking running QBs Young can flat run. SEAN TAYLOR IS GOD, now that's the best handle in ES' server. Yeah better than mine! That handle is what's going onnn. Man I wish I could change mine to something similar..like SEAN TAYLOR IS THE UNIVERSE. Yeah, its a thread up right now asking if Sean will take to AA and I think thats the otherway around. Better yet AA might want to worry about GW first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayman2009 Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 How about that 28 on the wonderlic. Much better than a 6 ala Vince Young. Looks like campbell has a better head on his shoulders than young. I'd take that over speed any day from a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 40 time is pretty meaningless for a QB. The only thing that matters is what inside your skull and 1 arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurd Cudins Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Correct it was a high 4.5 and a low 4.6. This is a fact. Now we all know football speed is something altogether different..probably more like a 4.4. So if we're talking running QBs Young can flat run. SEAN TAYLOR IS GOD, now that's the best handle in ES' server. Yeah better than mine! That handle is what's going onnn. Man I wish I could change mine to something similar..like SEAN TAYLOR IS THE UNIVERSE. Yeah, its a thread up right now asking if Sean will take to AA and I think thats the otherway around. Better yet AA might want to worry about GW first. thanks for the thumbs up but i wish you had read my post. he didn't run as fast as you say. It was 4.69 and 4.72 at his proday and combine respectively. I don't think speed is of importance for a QB and i think Campbell is going to be a Probowler in two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redsk58417 Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 40 time is pretty meaningless for a QB. The only thing that matters is what inside your skull and 1 arm. I agree somewhat, however when Kearse is running at you "FULL STEAM" the fact you got a 40 or 5 on the Wonderlic doesn't matter! You need to have escape ability! Updated Skins Speeds: http://couchscout.com/skin.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praise_gibbs Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 After reading that analysis of Jason Campbell and how it talks about his baskball player frame-- Am I the only one that envisioned Randle El under center and throws up a lob to JC as he catches a jump ball for a TD! :point2sky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelerSkins Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 still, diofferent players . . . wonder how vince will turn out, but am really excited fo rcmapbell . . . i think he can be a good one . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praise_gibbs Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 still, diofferent players . . . wonder how vince will turn out, but am really excited fo rcmapbell . . . i think he can be a good one . . . For some reason I think Vince Young will be another Mike Vick. He can run and elude the pass rush but can not pass if his life depended on it. I can be very wrong but, its just the impression that I get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wsniper1 Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 thanks for the thumbs up but i wish you had read my post. he didn't run as fast as you say. It was 4.69 and 4.72 at his proday and combine respectively. I don't think speed is of importance for a QB and i think Campbell is going to be a Probowler in two years. The reason he didn't read your post is because the first 30 minutes of reading the thing was things he didn't ask for, then the last 2 sentences had the actual info. I for one didn't read your ENTIRE post becasue of this reason, and Im sure I am not alone. Also Please don't quote yourself, and/or that big a clump when the only viable info in it is the last paragraph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buck812 Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Vince Young is a guy that just wins games. If the rose bowl didnt conVince you then there is probably nothing he can do in the pros that will either. But if a team gives him a solid defense and a couple of players around him on offense, he's going to win a lot of games before his days are done. I dont think he will be like Vick. More like Randall Cummingham X 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darc Requiem Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 For some reason I think Vince Young will be another Mike Vick. He can run and elude the pass rush but can not pass if his life depended on it. I can be very wrong but, its just the impression that I get. I disagree with you on that one. Vince Young is more accurate than Michael Vick, well Marcus Vick is more accurate that Michael Vick imo. Plus he is bigger than Vick and will most likely be able to withstand more punishment. Vince Young reminds me more of Randall Cunnigham to be honest. They even have a similar build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
318 SKIN Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 How about that 28 on the wonderlic. Much better than a 6 ala Vince Young. Looks like campbell has a better head on his shoulders than young. I'd take that over speed any day from a QB. Don't get to jacked up about JC wonderlic score - his 1st attempt was 14! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurd Cudins Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Don't get to jacked up about JC wonderlic score - his 1st attempt was 14! it's my opinion that if you can learn to do well on the test, then you can learn to pick apart defenses well. i am hopeful, he looked good in limited action last preseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
318 SKIN Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 it's my opinion that if you can learn to do well on the test, then you can learn to pick apart defenses well. i am hopeful, he looked good in limited action last preseason. there is approx 18 test - agents get there hands on them and prep the client - it usually works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Are there any recent Articles about Campbell? Other than the draft stuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redsk58417 Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Don't get to jacked up about JC wonderlic score - his 1st attempt was 14! Wonderlic....Schmunderlic! Who cares? :whoknows: They don't take TD's or 1st downs back when a player scores low on them. Big whoop if they score low on the test. Just so long as they score big on Sundays. What was Manley's Wonderlic? EXACTLY!!!! :point2sky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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