>>Spearhead>> Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 I listen to SIRIUS quite often and this is one of the few ex NFL personnel guys that is both blunt and objective. His take on the Taylor situation got me thinking- Sean is not a QB, RB, or WR-he is a safety in a scheme defense. Even though he is a talented one, Williams D was more than succesful without stud LaVar for the balance of the season. In other words- his D does not need individual star power-although its hardly a bad thing to have Bottom line is with a conviction the 'Skins can recoup a substantial portion of his salary that can be used to help our salary cap situation. Not only that- I think it reinforces Gibbs' footprint on this organization and kills any future ST issues that may or may not come up in the future. So cut ST ,his baggage and his salary if he is convicted. I was hoping that ST would walk and then come in with a renewed mindset and have a big year for us with a chip on his shoulder- I think now I am swaying with Kirwin's analysis. Gimme pros and cons.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 I believe if he is convicted, we can recoup most of the money WITHOUT cutting him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaleighSkinsMann Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 In no way do we cut ST, why so another team can pick him up and he goes on to be the best safety in the. Keep him, if he is convicted then we have nothing to worry about because of our scheme defense, if he's innocent than cutting him puts him right inline with the rest of the skins players who have been cut and went to do great things with thier new team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
>>Spearhead>> Posted June 27, 2005 Author Share Posted June 27, 2005 if he's innocent than cutting him puts him right inline with the rest of the skins players who have been cut and went to do great things with thier new team Yeah - I thought about this, too I can see him with a star on his helmet torturing us twice a year. But at the end of the day, as long as we are where we need to be -who cares? So Keenan McCardell proved us wrong- he didn't prevent us from doing anything either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canes/skins Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 of course the guy who started the post wants to lean to cut ST. b/c he is a FSU fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3CardMonte Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 You dont cut players that can be or are great. If he is convicted and has to go to jail then that is a no brainer. If he is not convicted and does not violate the terms of his contract then you let him play because 31 other teams would. No matter what system a team runs it runs it better with quality players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 Pat Kirwin is a dope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Harris Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 no way we cut taylor. if he is guilty, it's good to know we have an out. but i don't see him serving time. there have been too many changes in the reports that, each time, are to taylors favor. and he has a lot of $$. people w/ a lot of $$ don't tend to do time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDSKNfaithfull Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 Taylor is the best athlete Gregg Williams has coached ever. We have all seen glimpses. L.T. was not exactly a boyscout but I bet no Giants fan in the world wishes they would have cut him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
>>Spearhead>> Posted June 27, 2005 Author Share Posted June 27, 2005 of course the guy who started the post wants to lean to cut ST. b/c he is a FSU fan. Right - you can tell that from the thread, can't you? Stick to the subject No need for the name calling. Let's keep it civil here. ~TK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Jones Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 Taylor has the potential to change games. If he ever lives up to that potential GW changes his scheme to fit Taylor. However, Taylor needs to change some things before that will happen. We have not seen a healthy Lavar in this scheme and don't know how much better he can make the defense. Taylor, however, has the potential to play on a different level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
>>Spearhead>> Posted June 27, 2005 Author Share Posted June 27, 2005 Pat Kirwin is a dope because you disagree? or because of his former affiliation with the Cowboys? Please provide some input on your less than insightful reply... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 Originally posted by spearhed because you disagree? or because of his former affiliation with the Cowboys? Please provide some input on your less than insightful reply... because he's a dope, ever read his articles? He's not a Skins hater, but he gets so much wrong, so often the word "logical" has never been used to describe his opinions :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herb mul-key Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 blah blah. We keep ST, stick with him and let him become the best safety ever. He is a kid football player from the mean streets, we can not stay attached to what we think he should be, he is what he is and if we can get him committed to the team we will be thankful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty Gut Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 Taylor's talents allow GW to run the "schemes" that he loves so much. His ability to cover, hit, and tackle, all with great emotion, has to instill fear into opposing offenses. We need the in your face, **** talking player that makes sure offenses know this side of the field belongs to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turd Ferguson Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 I think if Sean Taylor ends up going to prison, we can be assured of only one thing: he'll never be a tight end. Thank you, I'll be here all week! Be sure to tip your waitresses! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarhog Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 Originally posted by canes/skins of course the guy who started the post wants to lean to cut ST. b/c he is a FSU fan. I LOVE the Seminoles and HATE the Canes. In fact, nearly all of my decisions are based on those two facts! Bummer for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wskin44 Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 The offseason would be even more boring without Sean Taylor. We will keep him just for the entertainment value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinker Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 Football is played by men - not machines. Until that changes, the players will be representative, by and large, of our society at large. That means, whether anybody likes it or not, many people wherever you go will do things that you or I might perceive as stupid. That covers fighting, driving drunk, using illegal weapons, doing drugs, hitting their wives, etc. By the way, these behaviors - let's call them "immature" or "unevolved" are more prevalent among younger people as a whole than older people. I might add that I am less likely to get in a fight because I am an exceptionally puny little guy and fighting is likely to get my butt kicked - so I'll say that bigger people are more likely to get into fights than puny guys like me because they have some reason to rationally believe they might win them. I also might add that people who have gotten a big chunk of money suddenly are less likely to manage their notions of value and power as well as someone that's had money for longer. So reviewing -- Big, strong, young, suddenly rich KIDS are likely to get into all kinds of trouble that I probably wouldn't get into because I'm not any of those things. AND since pro sports today is largely dominated by people who are ALL of those things, we need to accept that there is always going to be a fair amount of trouble generated by these guys. We need to accept that basic reality and deal with it OR become swimming fans (OH I forgot our Olympic swimming gold medalist - Michael Phelps got busted for drunk driving too). See it is the way our society is structured today. We could recruit an entire team of Eagle Scouts to be the "new" Redskins, but I doubt they'd be able to beat the gints, iggles, or pukes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnjack Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 Spearhd, I would think that if ST was truly expendible, that Gregg Williams would be the first one to say so, but we have seen no evidence of this from him. In fact, GW has bent over backwards to defend ST, calling him the best athlete he has ever coached. I would also think that of all people, GW should know what his scheme will and will not need. So adding all of this up, GW clearly understands that with ST, he can do so much more with teams. Without him, he will be greatly hamped talent-wise. P.S. He won't be cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankbones Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 Originally posted by spearhed So Keenan McCardell proved us wrong- he didn't prevent us from doing anything either I don't see how you can make that statement with any conviction. Let's play what if. What if we had Keenan on the 2000 team when Westbrook got hurt? We could have made the playoffs, had an incredible run to a Super Bowl victory and people would be talking Redskin's instead of a Patriot's dynasty. Yes, a long shot, but not totally inconcievable. The point is you never know if that one player would have help a team turn that proverbial corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octane67 Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 Originally posted by Gfunk703 Taylor's talents allow GW to run the "schemes" that he loves so much. His ability to cover, hit, and tackle, all with great emotion, has to instill fear into opposing offenses. We need the in your face, **** talking player that makes sure offenses know this side of the field belongs to us. hit it right on the head.... good schemes make good players great. unbeatable even... ask Gibbs, Bowden or that guy who used to coach florida........ I say you keep him and let things run there course... only the signing bonus is guaranteed anyways. If he doesnt step on the field he doesnt get a game check. he gets put on IR if his off-field issues conflict w/ team matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamSneed36 Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 Con: I never get to wear my Taylor authentic and i wasted a lot of money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 if he is convicted, Taylor is history. if he beats the rap he wears the burgundy and gold. it's that simple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stram22 Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 Originally posted by thinker Football is played by men - not machines. Until that changes, the players will be representative, by and large, of our society at large. That means, whether anybody likes it or not, many people wherever you go will do things that you or I might perceive as stupid. That covers fighting, driving drunk, using illegal weapons, doing drugs, hitting their wives, etc. By the way, these behaviors - let's call them "immature" or "unevolved" are more prevalent among younger people as a whole than older people. I might add that I am less likely to get in a fight because I am an exceptionally puny little guy and fighting is likely to get my butt kicked - so I'll say that bigger people are more likely to get into fights than puny guys like me because they have some reason to rationally believe they might win them. I also might add that people who have gotten a big chunk of money suddenly are less likely to manage their notions of value and power as well as someone that's had money for longer. So reviewing -- Big, strong, young, suddenly rich KIDS are likely to get into all kinds of trouble that I probably wouldn't get into because I'm not any of those things. AND since pro sports today is largely dominated by people who are ALL of those things, we need to accept that there is always going to be a fair amount of trouble generated by these guys. We need to accept that basic reality and deal with it OR become swimming fans (OH I forgot our Olympic swimming gold medalist - Michael Phelps got busted for drunk driving too). See it is the way our society is structured today. We could recruit an entire team of Eagle Scouts to be the "new" Redskins, but I doubt they'd be able to beat the gints, iggles, or pukes. :notworthy: Great post. Its important not to let things like this sour the football experience. I think the main reason that so many people are upset about this is because they realize how talented ST is. If a scout team guy was in this situation it wouldn't be that big of a story. So many people are ready to criticize Sean Taylor before the whole story has run its course. Criticizing him for putting himself in the situation is justifiable, but beyond that we should wait until the case is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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