Anselmheifer

I am curious what the dialogue in the front office was about Penix, and find it interesting that we brought him in.

Just to be clear, I don't think Ben Johnson would have led us to a better record than Quinn. I prefer Quinn as a coach. I just thought Johnson was the perfect guy to bring up a young QB, and I didn't care about wins in the first few years. Maybe that's naive. And just to be clear, I feel like it comes off that I'm crapping on Daniels and don't like him at all as a prospect. I like Daniels. Again, if we were picking at 3, I would be ecstatic to draft Daniels. I just think that picking the older guy with less traits, less historical precedent in terms of similar prospects, and some concerning analytics is bad process. Daniels could still wind up being better than Maye.

It's not about two prospects for me. It's about the historical success rate of ALL of the NFL prospects that look similar to Daniels vs Maye. My point was that Lamar is the poster child for what Daniels could be, best case scenario. And we haven't really seen a more successful example, I don't think. But you could go back in history and name 20 NFL hall of famers that have the body and traits and play style of Maye. For a second I was just thinking, "Maybe Michael Vick would be a good counter to my argument". Nope, ZERO Championship Games. I just think it would appear that it is easier to scheme to stop a QB who's success depends on running, once you get to the playoffs. And they don't tend to have as many prime years. With regards to Josh Allen vs Lamar, nobody is even thinking about Allen falling off a cliff. They expect another 6-8 years. Would anybody be surprised if if Lamar had an injury next year, lost a bit of athleticism and wasn't the same? Russel Wilson fell off a cliff after his age 32 season as a scrambling QB. He wasn't even a runner like these other guys we are discussing with Daniels.

This is part of why I wanted Ben Johnson. The Ben Johnson and Drake Maye Marriage seemed like a perfect fit of scheme to skill set and I thought we'd take Maye and bring him along perfectly and have a stud QB in 3 years. I didn't care how much we won during those 3 years. Kingsbury has not ever been an elite NFL OC. And we are going to make the defining choice of the next 10 years for the franchise around a guy that might just get a better job offer and be gone in 2 years, or be fired in 2 or 3 years? I want us to take the top prospect with the highest upside. The 22yo with the prototype body and arm and athleticism, that we have seen translate over, and over, and over. And, while I do think Jayden might be really good, I think the risks with him are under-discussed. It's not just his frame. I really just do not see his, take off up the gut running style working at the NFL level for a guy with any frame. And even if it does translate, how much did being an elite runner help Fields last year? Lamar is a waaaaay better runner, albeit, maybe a lesser passer, and even on one of the best, most well run and stable franchises in the NFL, with the whole game plan designed around his talents, Lamae has made ONE AFC Championship Game. Not Super Bowl, Championship Game. There just isn't the precedent of any Jayden Daniels type players that have brought their team the kind of success that I think all of us really want. And then there is that Jayden is a 5th year senior throwing to two ELITE athleties and first round WR's, behind a rock solid OL. I don't think that if we swapped Jayden over to UNC and Drake over to LSU for the last 2 years, that we would be having a discussion about which one is better. At all. Like, at all, at all. But I do think Jayden can be good and there is too much smoke for me, and I think he is going to be the pick. And honestly, if we were picking at 3, I'd be ecstatic. So, I am trying to put my big boy pants on and be ready for the pick. But I am going to feel like it is a mistake.

That Drake Maye article was less well written than SIP’s post about what is was going to be saying.

Am I reading that Drake has a 2 day visit and Jayden Daniels a 1 day visit?

I guess I just wonder how much this could really change in 16 days. They should really have a good idea of what they want by now. Put yourself in their position. It's the single most important decision likely to face the franchise in the next 5 years. This has been chewed on for months, definitely since Peters got here. How many times can you watch the tape? They've already spoken to both in person. I am not sure what would sway them this close to the draft. And I'm not saying for sure that it is Daniels. I just think they probably have a 90% idea of what they are going to do, even if none of the rest of us do

Apparently Sweat had a BAC of .105. https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/police-affidavit-indicates-tvondre-sweats-bac-was-0-105

I’ve resigned myself to Daniels over Maye. Too much smoke. I’m trying to look at the bright sides. Also, nowhere has crab cakes that compare to Maryland. Lastly, does anyone else see any parallels between Maye and Matt Stafford? Both mobile, big armed gunslingers. Maye is a little bigger and actually was significantly better in college.

I know it's cynical. And at this point, I don't care. Is it worse than keeping Jamin Davis on the team? No. Look at Tyreek Hill. That guy sounds like a domestic abuse sociopath. Obviously, there is a line. Imagine how much more physical our run defense would be with a guy like that. And to get him in the late 3rd potentially? Presumably, we will now have our QB. We need to start grabbing these Dawand Jones players, that are obviously talented, and drop further than they should.

At least he’s consistent. I keep trying to pump myself up for Jayden so I’m not disappointed. That Florida game was amazingly impressive

That’s funny, because my reaction was, “yesssssss”. You wouldn’t want a 1st/2nd round talent in the 3rd/4th? Imagine him in a DT rotation with Allen and Payne?

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/daniel-jones/32004a4f-4e16-5462-39a4-3b4fa743c66f I don’t know why, but I was thinking Daniel Jones was faster than this. Maye actually is faster. Regarding Daniels vs Maye, it’s easy to see Maye’s ceiling. There have been a ton of super successful NFL QB’s that look and throw the ball like Maye. I think that part of what makes me nervous about Daniels, is that he doesn’t really fit the archetype. There’s never really been a SB winning QB that looked and played like him, and even Lamar Jackson, who is everybody’s holy grail of mobile QB’s, hasn’t been as successful in the playoffs as his more traditional competitors I don’t like to see Quinn talking about what kind of players scare you as a defensive coordinator. DC’s hate uncertainty and they’ve prepped for big armed QB’s a million time. The game plan is the same. Being a threat to win any given game with your legs is not the same as being the type of player that can make multiple championship games. Not that Daniels can’t. I just don’t have a million examples of guys like Daniels who have had incredible 12 year careers and won super bowls.

I’m going to throw a brick if we pass on Maye and he winds up with the Giants.

I feel like Kool Aid would be perfect for this defense. Does anyone else think JC Latham could fall? He doesn't seem to have had a very good draft season. I feel like if his workout numbers weren't going to be really bad, he would have worked out at his pro day.

It seems like every PFF metric favors Maye over Daniels and a number of them, May over Williams.

That is the nice thing about not having a coach centric FO. Adam Peters is a highly regarded, young, new hire. I would assume that he is hoping to work a full career of more than 10 years hear and have a long period of sustained success. I wouldn’t expect for him to make sacrifices in order to get to the first round of the playoffs a year faster. And Dan Quinn is also a new hire who should get plenty of leash. Im not sure they will take who I want, but I do trust that the decision making process should be solid and focused on a long term vision.

It’s things like this that make me think we are going to add talent at both tackle spots. We’ve been sniffing around LT’s and RT’s and I suspect that we grab one of each in rounds 2 and 3.

How did the Drake May/Jayden Daniels thread take over the FA thread? There’s a dedicated place for this conversation.

Jayden does have a beautiful release and mechanics. I want Maye. But, even at his pro day, there is just something funny about his release. It almost looks as if he throws off his back foot without transferring weight as a matter of habit. His throwing shoulder very commonly does not rotate forward and his non throwing shoulder remains in front. Regarding Daniels’ work ethic, I find the discussion more worrisome than reassuring. It sounds like he just found his work ethic this year. What happens when he’s a top 3 pick and multi-millionaire?

I don’t think Chop falls and I don’t think we move up for him. But, he’s exactly the kind of edge rusher that we don’t have amongst our guys. The quick twitch, burst around the corner guy.

Emory rates Daniels’ arm strength and velocity as better than Mayes? That’s a joke. It invalidates his entire QB breakdown. It’s almost like an ES LSU alum poster’s take.

I’m so, so, fatigued of intangibles. It’s been 20 years of intangibles. This draft, and Christmas, I’d just really prefer some tangibles. I’ll take Drake Maye and then Jayden Daniels, in that order, please. And I’ll take Penix over McCarthy. I think Penix could be the Drew Brees of this draft class. Taken late first, early second, but long and super productive career.

I watched just one minute of this. I literally cannot imagine a pro day being filmed in a way that is less useful and entertaining. These pro day highlights from NFL.com, zooming in on the QB, from the front, are just utterly worthless. You can't appreciate the ball leaving his hand, the trajectory, spin, velocity, or placement.

What round is he projected in? Seems like 2nd round prospect based on measurements.