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Just now, Llevron said:

Right. It’s easy and it’s everywhere. I wouldn’t let it bother you but I get why it does. 
 

Take solace in the fact that we all see them for what they are. I’m always wrong. Always lol. But atleast I contribute more than trolling….sometimes. 

Who specifically is trolling? 

2 minutes ago, KDawg said:

The better question is: Do we want the clock to start now or in ‘25 when the roster is shored up and the OL is settled…

 

I think we’re going to go QB at some point unless someone next year plays well enough.

1) why would the roster be shored up in one year? 
 

2) if it is shored up by then, why would we be in similar/better position to take the Qb then instead of ‘24? 

27 minutes ago, JamesMadisonSkins said:

Pulled, from what I can tell. 
 

I’ve been all-in on Howell. But he’s on a rough rough stretch. Losing out and having Howell play well might have been wishful thinking. Brissett coming in and looking good is tough too. 
 

QB very well could be in play now. Hopefully we play ourselves into a position to draft one and not hve to trade up if that’s what we choose to do. 

In all honesty, if he was playing well, they wouldn’t lose out. 

Do you want the new regime to have 5 years (potentially) to develop a QB or 2 (realistically it’s 1) ? 

That’s what good backups/low end starters do. Come in and provide a quick spark. Maybe win a game or two. That’s what Brisset is and I think that is what Sam will end up being/doing in a few years.

Using the words “Jacoby Brisset” and “long term” in a serious post should be grounds for banning 

literally ridiculous to even post in jest 

He really can’t play against the Jets 

I’m so ****ing serious. We’ve come too far 

Put Sam back in!!!!

Yep that’s probably that. Let’s start scouting QBs

Minshew Mania 

1 minute ago, Drock_VB said:

Even Tres Way sucks today 

He’s probably concussed 

1 minute ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Completely forgot he was even active 

Yeah I’ll take the 5 year rookie deal option paired with the new GM and coach 

Just such a casual regime. Yeah the ****ty LS we drafted will just figure it out. No big deal lol 

I remember when folks tried to convince me the offense was decent. That was funny. 

2 hours ago, Warhead36 said:

Honestly though, going into the season we'd probably take 22nd because we'd work under the assumption that the supporting cast would have been a lot better. With last year's defense and WR play, a QB 22nd in QBR probably has us at 7+ wins right now.

Last year’s 22nd QB in QBR was Stafford and he finished with 52.3. QB play was stronger last season. 
 

Sam right now is at 48.0 and oddly enough, Heinicke finished last year at 46.5. I thought the gap would have been wider.

To my point a few days ago about the dearth of OLine talent in the NFL. A spotty (at best) line is pretty much guaranteed for a young QB nowadays 

23 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

Agreed 100%. Wnatever direction we go in I just want EVERYONE on the same page from the get go. 

100% 

This is why this season was always doomed. 

I will be apoplectic if we win another game. Like truly pissed 

18 minutes ago, zCommander said:

It is quite interesting that the idea here is that what if we don't take a QB in 2024, say at the #3 or #4 spot then we won't have a chance like this again in 2025. This type of thinking is that somehow Howell will not be good enough to get us into the playoffs next year but will have a 8-9 season and therefore not be able to pick higher in 2025.

 

But we already know pretty much what Howell has been able to do with our current OL. So building the OL and other players around him will make this team a deep playoff team. Why would I care who the top QB is in 2025 at that point? 

 

If you stand back and look at all the games that we have lost so far this year, how many we could have won if had a legit or even a semi-legit D? Is a QB allowed to have a bad day at the office, of course he does. You are not going to win them all. Just like last year when the Eagles were unbeaten and we beat them. It happens to even the best of the best. Hell we almost beat them twice this year but apparently couldn't do so but still went toe to toe with them but ironically we lose twice to the lowly Giants (something is so weird about this NY team like a hex or something lol).

 

My point, the idea of let's run this guy out of town because he has already been here 2 years instead of let's build something so this guy can possibly be the future for the next 10 years instead. I like to set long term goals as in the past these short term goals haven't worked for the last 25+ years and if a GM is smart he will see that as well. The plus on this is that if Howell in year 4 falters all you have to do is get a vet (like the Rams) and win it all since you will already have a great supporting cast in place. 

That easy huh? Lol 

2 minutes ago, The Consigliere said:

This underlines everything I see outside of this board and fanbase. Nobody outside of this board thinks Howell is some lock QB for us. Part of this is lack of being informed because they don't care, but part of this is also that most of us are desperately hanging onto his every performance hoping for a sign that he's the "one" and taking every little sign as an absolutist signature moment. It's already happened like 4-5 times this year. Nobody else is buying that, in fact most people seem to be arguing that he has the arm talent to make big plays from time to time but is nothing special at all. 

 

I have always felt our "Hog's" history has blinded us to how important QB is. Especially these days. It makes us aware of how much an OL can make a difference, but also a little too aware. We had elite OL's for much of the previous two decades and it meant ---- all, and several teams made super bowl runs with league average or worse OL's and HOF caliber QB's behind center. It's the QB. This aint the 80's anymore, you can't survive on Schroeder, Doug Williams, Mark Rypien, and Joe Theismann's retirement tour. It's a testament to how great Joe Gibbs and his staff and the players were that they were able to make average and worse (other than Theismann in '82-'83, and Rypien '89-'91) QB lead teams into super bowl winners and contenders, but that doesn't happen anymore. Not on the regular. 

Knocked it out of the park with this one. 

3 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Some like to cite PFF to defend this O line.  OK, PFF ranks it 24th.  The Dolphins are ranked 10th from PFF.    When this FO ignored guys like Wynn who hit the market, the Dolphins pounced.  But I agree it takes time for an O line to gell-develop.  Rookies often aren't hot from the jump.

Miami is 23rd pass block win rate on ESPN. I didn’t realize that until Logan Paulsen brought it up on his pod last week. Now maybe he was strictly talking about pass pro bc they’re 5th in run block win rate but still I think Tu’a helps them a ton 

1 minute ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

There’s this huge place the size of the Atlantic Ocean that exists between the all pro line you speak of and the one we line up with every Sunday.

 

They give up immediate pressure from all angles, typically multiple.  They can’t hold blocks to set up plays down field.  Every play we’ve made on offense for weeks has been the result of Sam turning poop to ice cream or our backs making guys miss and breaking tackles.  It’s not just a talent deficiency, it’s coaching and play-calling as well - its the only way to be this bad.

 

 

 

 

90% of fans will describe their olines like you just did. We always think ours is the worst. Don’t get me wrong. It stinks. But I guess my point is that most Olines stink relative to what fans think is acceptable play. I guess my point is that even if they add 2 good linemen next season, the consensus will be that the line stinks amongst fans. 

19 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Kirk to me is 12-15 so I think we see the ceiling the same.  Like I said he strikes me high floor, medium ceiling.  So maybe i got a higher floor with him than you?  And I also think he will meet that ceiling.

 

We got him for 2 more years.  That to me is relevant.  The apples to apples comparisons to others in this draft is also relevant.

 

I am not in the mode of move on and take a QB or stay the course.  My point is this is a real discussion that this new GM will likely have.  This isn't a punt to 2025 call that some say IMO.  Keim who is pretty measured about much and likes Howell seems to agree as to weighing Qbs in this draft, he thinks its in play.  So do I. 

 

If you’re not ready to pay him after year 3, then you’ve answered the question already. Also can’t imagine either side would feel comfortable playing without a contract in 2025. That would be another Kirk debacle. 

Quick point on the OLine stuff. The NFL is bereft of OLine talent. I’ve seen a few analysts beg they use the XFL as a farm system for this very reason. These kids need reps and development programs. I say that bc I’m not sure how practical it is to build some elite OLine in an offseason. It takes time. Can this one be improved on? Of course. But QBs have to be able to adapt to less than ideal situations whether it’s Sam, a rookie, whoever. Burrow went to an SB behind a disaster line. The Dolphins actually have a weak line but Tu’a and McDaniel mask it. There’s a reason why analytically inclined folks see sacks at QB driven to a large degree. I can’t imagine the Oline will be dramatically different in 2024 even if it’s improved. Good on the Eagles and Browns for building great units but they all took time and both had misses along the way. 
 

But long story short, the line made up of 3 all pros and 2 solid guys isn’t realistic nowadays. 90% of QBs will have to avoid sacks and make plays and some are better than others as we have seen. Sam has always had a sack problem dating back to college so I’m not even sure giving him a “good” oline would rectify the situation.